[Oagdu] FW: [nagdu] Chinese Bus Service: Shouldn't they be confronted as Uber is?

Thu Feb 12 15:08:18 UTC 2015

Hi Megan,
When you reply to an email on this list, please make sure that you type in your responses at the top of the email, yours came in a little bit down. At first, it looked as though you had sent a blank email. It makes reading the posts much easier with or without a screen reader. Thank you.
For those who did not see it, here is Megan's post:
The Dick Goddard law has been passed by the house in Columbus.
> The State senate is taking the law up very soon. I was correct that 
> the law was not passed. I worked on petitioning the state about thee act.
> we still have time to support the Dick Goddard law.
> Thank you very much. Megan

Hope everyone is staying warm! 
Deanna and the P man

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From: Marianne Denning [mailto:marianne at denningweb.com] 
Sent: Thursday, February 12, 2015 9:55 AM
To: meandthedog at oberlin.net; Ohio Association of Guide Dog Users List
Cc: Deanna Lewis
Subject: Re: [Oagdu] FW: [nagdu] Chinese Bus Service: Shouldn't they be confronted as Uber is?

I read an article about this law.  It is an important piece of legislation but does not pertain to service animals since they are covered under another law and the punishment for injuring or killing a service animal is higher.  This covers our pets.

On 2/12/15, Megan Schief via Oagdu <oagdu at nfbnet.org> wrote:
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>> Hi all,
>> Please see the below message from NAGDU president Marion Gwizdala 
>> regarding this situation. Hope it helps!
>> Deanna
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>>The Dick Goddard law has been passed by the house in Columbus.
> The State senate is taking the law up very soon. I was correct that 
> the law was not passed. I worked on petitioning the state about thee act.
> we still have time to support the Dick Goddard law.
> Thank you very much. Megan
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>  -----Original Message-----\\From: nagdu 
> [mailto:nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Marion Gwizdala
>> via nagdu
>> Sent: Wednesday, February 04, 2015 4:01 PM
>> To: 'Michael Hingson'; 'NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association 
>> of Guide Dog Users'
>> Subject: Re: [nagdu] Chinese Bus Service: Shouldn't they be 
>> confronted as Uber is?
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>> Mike,
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>> 	I believe that, in order to file a complaint, it needs to be done by 
>> someone with standing: Someone who has been negatively impacted by 
>> the policy. If one were to book travel and be denied, that person 
>> would have standing. The company can say they will not allow a 
>> service dog and may not violate the ADA. Actually denying one the 
>> right to purchase a ticket or ride is the violation.
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>> Marion
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>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: nagdu [mailto:nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Michael 
>> Hingson via nagdu
>> Sent: Wednesday, February 04, 2015 11:25 AM
>> To: 'Chaim B. Segal'; 'NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association 
>> of Guide Dog Users'
>> Subject: Re: [nagdu] Chinese Bus Service: Shouldn't they be 
>> confronted as Uber is?
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>> Chaim,
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>> You ask fair questions.  No doubt the "service" is in violation of 
>> the ADA and state laws on many levels.  Even if none of us may use 
>> the service given your description a complaint aught to be made to 
>> the Department of Justice.
>> I am passing your email on and let's see what advice we get.
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>> Best,
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>> Michael Hingson
>> Vice President, NAGDU
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>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: nagdu [mailto:nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Chaim B. 
>> Segal via nagdu
>> Sent: Tuesday, February 03, 2015 8:41 PM
>> To: oagdu at nfbnet.org; nagdu at nfbnet.org
>> Subject: [nagdu] Chinese Bus Service: Shouldn't they be confronted as 
>> Uber is?
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>> Hi All:
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>> As I have been reading the posts on these lists concerning Uber's 
>> hearing, a thought is dawning on me which I thought I would put out 
>> there.
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>> Over the past few years, it seems as though we have had a major 
>> increase of Chinese immigrants to Ohio. I'm not sure how many of 
>> these people will actually stay around, or how many of them are 
>> temporary residents. My apartment complex is swarming with students 
>> from the University of Dayton, whose millionaire parents are paying 
>> for them to attend school here. I don't think that this group has 
>> anything to do with the folks I am mentioning below.
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>> Before moving to Brooklyn last year, my oldest brother brought it to 
>> our attention that there is now a Chinese bus service which travels 
>> between Dayton, Cincinnati, and New York City.  Why only these three 
>> cities I don't know. Perhaps they stop in other places. Anyway, I was 
>> going to use this service to take a trip, and researched the 
>> operation online. I called their phone number, and asked the Chinese 
>> bloke who answered the phone a few things about their service. As I 
>> expected, they had a no pets policy.
>> I then asked them if they were aware of the rights of guide dog users 
>> to be accompanied by their guide dogs in travel. The fellow had never 
>> heard of guide dog use before. He was adamant that I cannot travel on 
>> his service with a dog. Before this, I asked him if I could be given 
>> assistance off the bus at rest stops, and he said "no."
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>> I reported my finding to Seeing Eye, and I believe it was Walt Sutton 
>> who tried to give them a call. The number I passed on to him (which I 
>> forget) turned out to be that of a Chinese Restaurant. He recommended 
>> that I just not bother with this service, as for all anybody knows, 
>> they may be operating somewhat illegally anyway.
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>> My oldest brother paid us a visit over the summer and used this 
>> Chinese bus service to get himself back to New York. Before using it, 
>> he thought it might be a viable means for my (blind) brother and I to 
>> travel to and from New York. After using it himself, he has changed 
>> his mind. The bus does not stop at any designated station terminal. 
>> They pick people up in neighborhoods which are out in the middle of 
>> nowhere. In New York, they drop people off in Chinatown, and leave it 
>> to them to travel with their luggage to where they need to go. It's more-or-less a bare-bones service.
>> I'm not sure how crowded the buses are, but the bus, according to my 
>> brother, is not nearly as comfortable as a Greyhound. Baring this in 
>> mind, it's probably not a good idea for any of us to travel on this 
>> service using a guide. Moreover, I would probably not go to bat, 
>> unless I really thought I would use this service.
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>> What does concern me, aside from the fact that to them a guide dog is 
>> as good as a pet, is the fact that they seem the least concern with 
>> regard to assisting any blind person, even if they are not using a 
>> dog.
>> Parenthetically, I believe I asked the guy if their buses had 
>> wheelchair lifts, and apparently they don't. It seems to me that this 
>> service may be in violation of the ADA under many accounts. I'm 
>> wondering if these people should be informed that if they are 
>> operating a service in the United States, they must play by the 
>> rules. While I strongly feel the answer is obviously "Yes", I'm 
>> wondering if taking them to task will really accomplish anything. 
>> Somebody told me that the way they can even have a service like this 
>> is to do things under the table. Even if they are confronted, will 
>> they really listen?
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>> What do you all think?
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>> Chaim
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>> Chaim B. Segal
>> Customer Service Representative: Sinclair Community College, Dayton, 
>> Ohio
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