[Oagdu] article about guide dog banned from church bus

meandthedog at oberlin.net meandthedog at oberlin.net
Fri Jul 24 12:09:28 UTC 2015 









I read what you had written in so many e.mails.
I had a discrimination ace against a tenant in my building.
I fought it and the Land lord threatened to evict her if she didn't stop
\treating
me and MS.

I don't think the pastor  really makes sense.
My church welcomes everyone. We do not block ones worship
and  use of church transportation.
I think you nee to understand that it isn't immoral to
sit down and dove a problem with the pastor or to find another church
where yo are welcome.
I can not judge anyone who has to go throughout a discrimination
case it is painful.
Chuches are not including in the ADA rules.
Megan and MS. P.




> Perhaps this Dog Guide owner should do what she can, using the materials
> available for the purpose to attempt to educate this horribly ignorant and
> ill informed minister.  Perhaps she should go to the church itself and
> have
> him discharged from his responsibilities as the head of that assembly.
> Because such ignorance, in the face of the ability of anyone to be well
> informed about everything these days, should  not be allowed to continue.
> Particularly regarding a persons right to be a free mobile citizen in this
> land of the free and the home of the freely mobile.  It was mobility which
> made this country as expansive as it is; and freedom of mobility which
> will
> propel us Americans to the stars.  Christianity itself maintains human
> souls
> are mobile.  So, why should anyone or anything restrict us blind people
> from
> expressing our own freedom of mobility.  Using whatever mobility aid and
> assist we choose.  If this horribly ignorant and obtuse person were to be
> threatened with the loss of his livelihood.  With which he supports his
> family, he might bother to consider that in all cities in this country
> where
> there are public busses, and where there is public transport, dog guides
> are
> quite welcome.  He might consider, beyond his prejudice, children of all
> ages ride those busses as well.  He might also consider also, nowhere has
> there been an occurrence of a dog guide harming any passenger on any buss.
> It was ignorance of this sort which restricted transport for persons of
> color.  Where ignorance exists it should be dispelled at any cost.  If it
> hampers a fellow human beings right to fully enjoy facilities and
> transport
> to such available to others.
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Deanna Lewis via Oagdu" <oagdu at nfbnet.org>
> To: "Ohio Association of Guide Dog Users List" <oagdu at nfbnet.org>
> Cc: "Deanna Lewis" <DLewis at clovernook.org>
> Sent: Thursday, July 23, 2015 7:50 AM
> Subject: Re: [Oagdu] article about guide dog banned from church bus
>
>
>> Hi Marianne,
>> I didn't see the original article in your message, so I am pasting it
>> below for those interested.
>> I can offer my comments in a separate post.
>> Deanna
>>
>> Guide dog banned from church bus
>>
>> Posted:Jul 15, 2015 8:03 PM EDT Updated:Jul 16, 2015 7:34 AM EDT
>>
>> By Lisa Hutson
>>
>> Email
>>
>> Connect
>>
>> lhutson at fox19.com
>>
>> List of 1 items
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>> list end
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>> (Source: Lisa Hutson, FOX19 NOW) (Source: Lisa Hutson, FOX19 NOW)
>>
>> MOUNT ORAB, OH (FOX19) -
>>
>>
>>
>> A blind Sardinia woman says a Brown County church is discriminating
>> against
>> her by not allowing her guide dog on a church bus.
>>
>>
>>
>> Cathy Inglis says Tiny, a 6-year-old Boxer is an extension of herself
>> helping her to live independently even though she is completely blind.
>> While
>> she has
>>
>> had to explain Tiny's role before, she says she never thought a church
>> would
>> turn him away.
>>
>>
>>
>> "They told me I was not allowed to ride the church bus,” said Inglis.
>>
>>
>>
>> After asking to ride the Sunday school bus to church with her 6-year-old
>> grandson and Tiny, Inglis says Bible Baptist Church in Mt. Orab told her
>> Tiny could
>>
>> not ride the bus.
>>
>>
>>
>> "If I have offended them, I would like to ask for their forgiveness
>> because
>> I would not want to offend them,” said Pastor Ted House of Bible
>> Baptist
>> Church.
>>
>>
>>
>> House calls the entire discussion a huge misunderstanding. Both Tiny and
>> Cathy are welcome anytime inside or outside the church he says but any
>> dog
>> on a
>>
>> church owned vehicle poses liability concerns.
>>
>>
>>
>> "It's just I don't want the dog on the bus around those children in
>> those
>> close quarters because a dog is a dog no matter how well they are
>> trained
>> and
>>
>> a dog might nip a kid and then I've got a parent upset and a lawsuit,”
>> said
>> Pastor House.
>>
>>
>>
>> Inglis says she has never had any aggression issues toward humans with
>> any
>> of the seven guide dogs she has owned throughout her lifetime. Each of
>> them
>> Inglis
>>
>> says go through extensive training to behave in public.
>>
>>
>>
>> House says he has suggested other options besides bringing Tiny on the
>> bus
>> such as having volunteers guide Inglis on Sundays or having a church
>> member
>> pick
>>
>> up the pair in a private vehicle. They are options Inglis says she
>> should
>> not have to choose from based on her disability.
>>
>>
>>
>> “I didn't get the dog to leave him and be guided by somebody else. I
>> got
>> him
>> so I could work him and get around as best I can,”
>>
>> said Inglis.
>>
>>
>>
>> According to American Disabilities Act, churches are not required to be
>> ADA
>> compliant but most do so voluntarily. By law, Bible Baptist Church has
>> the
>> right
>>
>> to refuse to accommodate anyone with disabilities.
>>
>>
>>
>> Pastor House admits while he should have communicated the issue better,
>> he
>> sticks by his decision to protect the children on the bus.
>>
>>
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Oagdu [mailto:oagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Marianne
>> Denning via Oagdu
>> Sent: Wednesday, July 22, 2015 6:25 PM
>> To: Ohio Association of Guide Dog Users List; NFB of Ohio Announcement
>> and
>> Discussion List
>> Cc: Marianne Denning
>> Subject: [Oagdu] article about guide dog banned from church bus
>>
>> Good afternoon.  I finally read this article and found out it was in
>> Brown
>> County, OH.  The minister is not opposed for religious reasons but for
>> the
>> safety of the children.
>> The dog is also not banned from the church services.  Do you think this
>> is
>> really protected under the first amendment? Should either the state NFB
>> affiliate or OAGDU reach out to this woman?
>> --
>> Marianne Denning, TVI, MA
>> Teacher of students who are blind or visually impaired
>> (513) 607-6053
>>
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