[Oagdu] Pursueing WoodGate Apartments

Mon May 11 19:10:30 UTC 2015

The only reason I wrote the post was because I believed the woman having the problem asked us to offer to her our opinions regarding her situation.  If I believed otherwise, I wouldn't have posted.  I don't believe the issue is whether she keep the guide.  I believe the issue is whether she could keep both dogs.  I didn't believe there were adequate grounds for her to keep both dogs.  Not that she be mandated to give up her Guide dog.  So, in order to rent an apartment in that building, it would make sense to get rid of the pet.  Sighted people have to get rid of pets all the time for various reasons.  How are we blind people special in that regard.  A dog is not a child, and should  not ever be compared with a human person.  My children are worth far more than any pet.  Regardless what others might think.  My daughter was bitten when she was a child by a dog.  Whose owner believed her pet  was a child   Having the same right to wander the streets as my human child.  This sort of thinking is what leads pet owners to allow their dogs these freedoms, and find it difficult to understand why legally pets ought to be controlled.  I have heard all sorts of excuses pet owners give for allowing their pets to wander around apartment buildings and properties unleashed.  After they have bitten human beings.  Perhaps, if pets were thought of, and treated somewhat less like children, and more like the animals they are, blind people and their guides might feel safer walking the streets in neighborhoods filled with pet dogs.  She discovered quickly enough the difference between her pet, and my human child.  Millions of dollars are spent on dog and cat food, and health services for pets.  While human children and homeless people are left to eat from trash cans and dumpsters.  I shall never forget the day my son told me of a man he saw eating a snack he just got from a dumpster.  Pets  are lower animals, and are chattel.  In many parts of Asia dogs and cats  are eaten, and in America they are often treated more humanely, and with more dignity  than are many homeless people.  Guide dogs are in a different category.  Because they perform a much needed service for us blind people.  They earn their keep.  As do all working animals.  But, even comparing them to children should never be done, in my opinion.  While there is even a single hungry, abused human in this country.  
  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: Deanna Lewis via Oagdu 
  To: Ohio Association of Guide Dog Users List 
  Cc: Deanna Lewis 
  Sent: Monday, May 11, 2015 11:15 AM
  Subject: Re: [Oagdu] Pursueing WoodGate Apartments

  Angel,

  I thank you for your post. I think that this is like many things, you have to choose your battles. Personally, I think that if it were me, I would take the steps needed to rectify this issue. However, to be honest, depending on the management’s attitudes (ex: if they were really rude about the issue) I would choose a different place to live. I’ve always felt like if you don’t want my animals, you don’t want me. This is with both my guide dogs and with pet dogs and cats. Lori, I don’t blame you for not wanting to get rid of your pets. Since I do not have kids, my pets are like my kids. And many people wouldn’t just give up the kid they’ve raised for 10 or so years. 

  You may want to post to the main Nagdu list as well and get other’s opinions. Hope this helps. 

  And Lori, my personal email is: Deannakay03 at gmail.com

  Deanna

  From: Oagdu [mailto:oagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Angel via Oagdu
  Sent: Monday, May 11, 2015 4:59 AM
  To: Ohio Association of Guide Dog Users List
  Cc: Angel
  Subject: Re: [Oagdu] Pursueing WoodGate Apartments

  I think you should let it go, and try to move somewhere else.  Because a Dog guide is a dog.  Whether he is considered a pet, or a service animal.  For which you  aren't charged extra.  Consider the example you would be setting for others.  Who just want to skate around rules for one reason or other.  This can be seen by other pet owners.  Who consistently attempt to pass their pets off as service animals.  Some of these service animals, or so they are called by their owners, haven't even a modicum of training.  Consider also those with whom you have to live.  Who might understand a dog guide as a dog, as do the management of the building, and might not understand your reasoning.  How will they accept you as a neighbor.  When they are restricted regarding the number of dogs they are to keep, and you aren't seeming to be.  You might be better off to move to a duplex, or a double house.  Owned by a private individual.  Who might be more sympathetic to your rationale, and less bound by strict apartment rules.  

    ----- Original Message ----- 

    From: Lori Dent via Oagdu 

    To: Ohio Guide Dogs 

    Cc: Lori Dent 

    Sent: Monday, May 11, 2015 1:00 AM

    Subject: [Oagdu] Pursueing WoodGate Apartments

    Hi fellow Guide Dog Users  of Ohio,

    I would like to discuss more about the issue I'm having with the WoodGate Apartments regarding   their policy of pets  and my guide dog Gipp.

    I want to go about this the right way and with the correct information I will need to help me  be able to have both my pet dog and cat  and my guide dog   living with me if I want to be able to live in these apartments.

    My fiancee Rick and I did go up and talk to the management of these WoodGate Apartments  but we didn't fill out any application  as of yet.

    The management pet policy is one dog and one cat only. So I'm thinking I should be able to have my pet dog and my cat of course I will need to pay for them. Which I have no problem with but on the other hand I should be able to have my guide dog there  at no charge and not count him in the house hold he's my   mobility aide  and not a pet. The management says I can't have 2 dogs and a cat or two cats and a dog for example but just one dog and a cat.

    I'm not giving up my pets  and  I want to be able to  have the opportunity to live here if I choose to with my pet animals and my guide dog. One of  the reasons we considered  this apartment complex is because they allow dogs  and cats so I figured this would be perfect   for us with my 2 pets and Gipp wouldn't be a issue. But I'm not giving up my Chihuahua  just so I can have my guide dog . I should be able to have both dogs and my cat.

    I never had a issue like this before and I need some guidance on how to  go about this.

    Do you all think I should pursue  this? 

    Also, I don't have Deanna's  email address or Alleha's  email address and I was wondering if you 2 could send me your emails off list to me.? Thanks.

    Lori and the Gipper

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