[Ohio-talk] Toledo Sight Center

Sat May 24 18:36:09 UTC 2014

Hi Marianne,
Dawn has an open case.
I do not believe that there is a Consumer Advisory Committee but I am not sure about that.
I am waiting until The change in Director occurs.
In the meantime I have some things to work on in preparation for that event.
For at least the last 20 years I haven't been involved with anything at the Sight Center.
Part of that had to do with xs' NAC Accreditation.
The climate wasn't to make substantive change.
I would say that the Sight Center was one of the most regresive agencies when I was involved about 20 years ago.
Colleen Roth

----- Original Message -----
From: Marianne Denning via Ohio-talk <ohio-talk at nfbnet.org>
To: NFB of Ohio Announcement and Discussion List <ohio-talk at nfbnet.org>
Date: Friday, May 23, 2014 11:14:25 AM
Subject: Re: [Ohio-talk] Toledo Sight Center

>
>
> Does your friend, Dawn have an open case with BSVI?  She could as a
> homemaker.  If not, is she in the senior blind program?  Either way,
> there is funding available.  I know funding is always a concern and I
> don't have a problem with that but meeting consumer needs is equally
> important.  Is there a consumer advisory committee?  If not, it might
> be a great idea to approach them about starting one.
> 
> On 5/23/14, Colleen Roth via Ohio-talk <ohio-talk at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> > Hello,
> > I know ACB promotes Braille. I can't explain this except to say that Dawn
> > had pretty usable vision into the first couple of years in Elementary
> > School.
> > I am talking about Dawn Christensen who will be retiving from the Sight
> > Center.
> > I think the bottom line for her is profit.
> > Colleen Roth
> >
> >
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: Marianne Denning via Ohio-talk <ohio-talk at nfbnet.org>
> > To: NFB of Ohio Announcement and Discussion List <ohio-talk at nfbnet.org>
> > Date: Friday, May 23, 2014 06:56:41 AM
> > Subject: Re: [Ohio-talk] Toledo Sight Center
> >
> >ar
> >ar
> >ar Yes, but ACB also strongly promotes the use of braille.  Why wouldn't
> >ar any blind person strongly promote braille?  That would be like saying
> >ar literacy is not important.
> >ar
> >ar On 5/22/14, Cheryl Fields via Ohio-talk <ohio-talk at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> >ar > Ditto, Mariann. Patience is a weakness of mine, add me to your
> >ar > prayers. Blessings
> >ar >
> >ar > On 5/22/14, Marianne Denning via Ohio-talk <ohio-talk at nfbnet.org>
> >ar > wrote:
> >ar >ar I agree Cheryl, but I always tell God to give me patience and give it
> >ar >ar to me now.  Patience isn't always one of my strengths.  I am
> >ar > extremely
> >ar >ar patient with people but there are other areas where I am not patient.
> >ar >ar
> >ar >ar On 5/21/14, Cheryl Fields via Ohio-talk <ohio-talk at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> >ar >>> Mariann, Absolutely! To change it takes courage, one day it will
> >ar >>> happen. all we can do is control and change ourselves. Keep the Faith
> >ar >>> Blessings
> >ar >>>
> >ar >>> On 5/21/14, Marianne Denning via Ohio-talk <ohio-talk at nfbnet.org>
> >ar >>> wrote:
> >ar >>>> I agree with you totally.  I want action at Clovernook but no one
> >ar >>>> else
> >ar >>>> seems interested and I can't do it alone.  Hopefully, people will
> >ar >>>> get
> >ar >>>> tired of it one day and decide to change things.  I have changed my
> >ar >>>> own behaviors by refusing to work with Clovernook on any level but
> >ar >>>> it
> >ar >>>> takes others to act too.
> >ar >>>>
> >ar >>>> I must say, that in the case of Clovernook, it is not the direct
> >ar >>>> staff
> >ar >>>> but their administration and board.
> >ar >>>>
> >ar >>>> On 5/21/14, Cheryl Fields via Ohio-talk <ohio-talk at nfbnet.org>
> >ar >>>> wrote:
> >ar >>>>> Totally agree with you. however if some of us are willing to stoke
> >ar >>>>> the
> >ar >>>>> fire, let's do it!
> >ar >>>>> One of the things Toledo folks can do is to approach board
> >ar >>>>> president
> >ar >>>>> and suggest forming consumer council committee. We have this and
> >ar >>>>> has
> >ar >>>>> become a useful tool, offering guidance, sugggestions, constructive
> >ar >>>>> critisim to agency. There should be a group of blind people that
> >ar >>>>> understand the structure of agency, financially and operationally
> >ar >>>>> to
> >ar >>>>> communicate what is acceptable and reasonable to consumers and
> >ar >>>>> agency.
> >ar >>>>> You are right. It is difficult if you don't understand or not aware
> >ar >>>>> of
> >ar >>>>> how much to expect from training. Thank god for nfb and this list
> >ar >>>>> for
> >ar >>>>> others to share concerns. Every now and then, we are too passive,
> >ar >>>>> sometimes a good fight can change that attitude.
> >ar >>>>>
> >ar >>>>> On 5/21/14, Marianne Denning via Ohio-talk <ohio-talk at nfbnet.org>
> >ar >>>>> wrote:
> >ar >>>>>> Cheryl, I appreciate that but it will take people in the Toledo
> >ar >>>>>> area
> >ar >>>>>> to make the needed changes.  That is why I asked if anyone from
> >ar >>>>>> NFB
> >ar >>>>>> was on the board.  Often the board is made up of business people
> >ar >>>>>> in
> >ar >>>>>> the community who have the ability to raise money for the
> >ar >>>>>> organization
> >ar >>>>>> and that is good but there also need to be blind people on the
> >ar >>>>>> board
> >ar >>>>>> who can represent the needs of the people who receive services.
> >ar >>>>>> This
> >ar >>>>>> could also be handled through different committees providing
> >ar >>>>>> guidance
> >ar >>>>>> to the agency.  We can complain all we want but until we get in
> >ar >>>>>> and
> >ar >>>>>> work for change, nothing will happen.  We need to stop being so
> >ar >>>>>> passive.
> >ar >>>>>>
> >ar >>>>>> On 5/21/14, Cheryl Fields via Ohio-talk <ohio-talk at nfbnet.org>
> >ar >>>>>> wrote:
> >ar >>>>>>> M, what do you have in mind? I am on the board of Cleveland Sight
> >ar >>>>>>> Center and am willing to help, if I can. CEO of Cleveland Sight
> >ar >>>>>>> Center
> >ar >>>>>>> may have relationship with Toledo. There must be a workable
> >ar >>>>>>> solution,
> >ar >>>>>>> it's disturbing to know that this is what is passing as rehab
> >ar >>>>>>> offered
> >ar >>>>>>> out there. Blessings, Cheryl Fields
> >ar >>>>>>>
> >ar >>>>>>> On 5/21/14, Marianne Denning via Ohio-talk <ohio-talk at nfbnet.org>
> >ar >>>>>>> wrote:
> >ar >>>>>>>> Is anyone from NFB on their board?  We have a similar problem
> >ar >>>>>>>> with
> >ar >>>>>>>> Clovernook here in Cincinnati but we also have Cincinnati
> >ar >>>>>>>> Association
> >ar >>>>>>>> for the Blind.
> >ar >>>>>>>>
> >ar >>>>>>>> On 5/20/14, Colleen Roth via Ohio-talk <ohio-talk at nfbnet.org>
> >ar >>>>>>>> wrote:
> >ar >>>>>>>>> Hello Aleeha,
> >ar >>>>>>>>> Anything can be stated on a website.
> >ar >>>>>>>>> That doesn't mean that that is what the staff believe.
> >ar >>>>>>>>> The website just mentions braille and then goes on to discuss
> >ar >>>>>>>>> other
> >ar >>>>>>>>> things.
> >ar >>>>>>>>> There is no qualified Braille Teacher at the Sight Center and
> >ar >>>>>>>>> Braille
> >ar >>>>>>>>> is
> >ar >>>>>>>>> not
> >ar >>>>>>>>> emphasized in any way for those who need it.
> >ar >>>>>>>>> I love my Braille Sense but I like having a slate and stylus to
> >ar >>>>>>>>> write
> >ar >>>>>>>>> something down because it just fits in my purse.
> >ar >>>>>>>>> I can also hand someone my information in Braille if they can
> >ar >>>>>>>>> read
> >ar >>>>>>>>> it
> >ar >>>>>>>>> and
> >ar >>>>>>>>> do
> >ar >>>>>>>>> not have something with them.
> >ar >>>>>>>>> When I want to study something sometimes I just want to read it
> >ar >>>>>>>>> with
> >ar >>>>>>>>> my
> >ar >>>>>>>>> fingers.
> >ar >>>>>>>>> I like to have a book to read when I am in a doctor's office
> >ar >>>>>>>>> and
> >ar >>>>>>>>> by
> >ar >>>>>>>>> someone's bedside.
> >ar >>>>>>>>> More than once, I have read something, anything, to someone who
> >ar >>>>>>>>> just
> >ar >>>>>>>>> wanted
> >ar >>>>>>>>> to be read to while they were in the hospital.
> >ar >>>>>>>>> Br in a book is quieter than using a notetaker when I am in
> >ar >>>>>>>>> Church.
> >ar >>>>>>>>> It is also much easier to use when I am standing at the Ambo to
> >ar >>>>>>>>> read
> >ar >>>>>>>>> Scripture for Mass.
> >ar >>>>>>>>> I have used my Braille Sense for certain Prayer Meetings and
> >ar >>>>>>>>> classes
> >ar >>>>>>>>> but
> >ar >>>>>>>>> give me Braille on paper for many other things.
> >ar >>>>>>>>> I also find myself using braille to label cans and other food
> >ar >>>>>>>>> items.
> >ar >>>>>>>>> Let's be reasonable not every one wants or can afford an iphone
> >ar >>>>>>>>> or
> >ar >>>>>>>>> ID
> >ar >>>>>>>>> Mate.
> >ar >>>>>>>>> Colleen Roth
> >ar >>>>>>>>>
> >ar >>>>>>>>>
> >ar >>>>>>>>>
> >ar >>>>>>>>> ----- Original Message -----
> >ar >>>>>>>>> From: Aleeha Dudley via Ohio-talk <ohio-talk at nfbnet.org>
> >ar >>>>>>>>> To: NFB of Ohio Announcement and Discussion List
> >ar >>>>>>>>> <ohio-talk at nfbnet.org>
> >ar >>>>>>>>> Date: Tuesday, May 20, 2014 10:36:35 AM
> >ar >>>>>>>>> Subject: Re: [Ohio-talk] Toledo Sight Center
> >ar >>>>>>>>>
> >ar >>>>>>>>>>
> >ar >>>>>>>>>>
> >ar >>>>>>>>>> Iam not quite sure what to think about this. Although I
> >ar >>>>>>>>>> believe
> >ar >>>>>>>>>> that
> >ar >>>>>>>>>> Braille is not as fast as a computer for communicating, I
> >ar >>>>>>>>>> believe
> >ar >>>>>>>>>> it
> >ar >>>>>>>>>> is
> >ar >>>>>>>>>> still relevant and important. I think the website does a good
> >ar >>>>>>>>>> job
> >ar >>>>>>>>>> of
> >ar >>>>>>>>>> expressing that technology is not the only answer.
> >ar >>>>>>>>>> Aleeha
> >ar >>>>>>>>>>
> >ar >>>>>>>>>> Sent from my iPhone
> >ar >>>>>>>>>>
> >ar >>>>>>>>>> > On May 20, 2014, at 10:21 AM, Marianne Denning via Ohio-talk
> >ar >>>>>>>>>> > <ohio-talk at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> >ar >>>>>>>>>> >
> >ar >>>>>>>>>> > Since people have been talking about the Toledo Sight Center
> >ar >>>>>>>>>> > I
> >ar >>>>>>>>>> > thought
> >ar >>>>>>>>>> > I would look at their website.  Below you will find what
> >ar >>>>>>>>>> > they
> >ar >>>>>>>>>> > have
> >ar >>>>>>>>>> > to
> >ar >>>>>>>>>> > say about their technology services.  In the beginning they
> >ar >>>>>>>>>> > talk
> >ar >>>>>>>>>> > about
> >ar >>>>>>>>>> > technology and mention  that many people still use
> >ar >>>>>>>>>> > braille...
> >ar >>>>>>>>>> > Read
> >ar >>>>>>>>>> > this and feel free to comment.
> >ar >>>>>>>>>> >
> >ar >>>>>>>>>> > Technology Resource Center
> >ar >>>>>>>>>> >
> >ar >>>>>>>>>> > The rapid advancement of computer technology has opened many
> >ar >>>>>>>>>> > doors
> >ar >>>>>>>>>> > for
> >ar >>>>>>>>>> > blind and visually impaired people. Although many blind
> >ar >>>>>>>>>> > people
> >ar >>>>>>>>>> > still
> >ar >>>>>>>>>> > use Braille, the opportunity to communicate faster and
> >ar >>>>>>>>>> > easier
> >ar >>>>>>>>>> > via
> >ar >>>>>>>>>> > computers that read aloud is opening new worlds of
> >ar >>>>>>>>>> > communication
> >ar >>>>>>>>>> > including surfing the web as well as sending and receiving
> >ar >>>>>>>>>> > email.
> >ar >>>>>>>>>> > Additionally, for the visually impaired person, computers
> >ar >>>>>>>>>> > offering
> >ar >>>>>>>>>> > large screens allow for enlarged type size and high contrast
> >ar >>>>>>>>>> > color
> >ar >>>>>>>>>> > patterns that permit easier reading.
> >ar >>>>>>>>>> >
> >ar >>>>>>>>>> >
> >ar >>>>>>>>>> >
> >ar >>>>>>>>>> > --
> >ar >>>>>>>>>> > Marianne Denning, TVI, MA
> >ar >>>>>>>>>> > Teacher of students who are blind or visually impaired
> >ar >>>>>>>>>> > (513) 607-6053
> >ar >>>>>>>>>> >
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> >ar >ar Teacher of students who are blind or visually impaired
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