[Ohio-talk] Toledo Sight Center

Sat May 24 20:05:57 UTC 2014

Hopefully, things will change.  It will take time but keep working on it.

On 5/24/14, Colleen Roth via Ohio-talk <ohio-talk at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> Hi Marianne,
> Dawn has an open case.
> I do not believe that there is a Consumer Advisory Committee but I am not
> sure about that.
> I am waiting until The change in Director occurs.
> In the meantime I have some things to work on in preparation for that
> event.
> For at least the last 20 years I haven't been involved with anything at the
> Sight Center.
> Part of that had to do with xs' NAC Accreditation.
> The climate wasn't to make substantive change.
> I would say that the Sight Center was one of the most regresive agencies
> when I was involved about 20 years ago.
> Colleen Roth
>
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Marianne Denning via Ohio-talk <ohio-talk at nfbnet.org>
> To: NFB of Ohio Announcement and Discussion List <ohio-talk at nfbnet.org>
> Date: Friday, May 23, 2014 11:14:25 AM
> Subject: Re: [Ohio-talk] Toledo Sight Center
>
>>
>>
>> Does your friend, Dawn have an open case with BSVI?  She could as a
>> homemaker.  If not, is she in the senior blind program?  Either way,
>> there is funding available.  I know funding is always a concern and I
>> don't have a problem with that but meeting consumer needs is equally
>> important.  Is there a consumer advisory committee?  If not, it might
>> be a great idea to approach them about starting one.
>>
>> On 5/23/14, Colleen Roth via Ohio-talk <ohio-talk at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>> > Hello,
>> > I know ACB promotes Braille. I can't explain this except to say that
>> > Dawn
>> > had pretty usable vision into the first couple of years in Elementary
>> > School.
>> > I am talking about Dawn Christensen who will be retiving from the Sight
>> > Center.
>> > I think the bottom line for her is profit.
>> > Colleen Roth
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > ----- Original Message -----
>> > From: Marianne Denning via Ohio-talk <ohio-talk at nfbnet.org>
>> > To: NFB of Ohio Announcement and Discussion List <ohio-talk at nfbnet.org>
>> > Date: Friday, May 23, 2014 06:56:41 AM
>> > Subject: Re: [Ohio-talk] Toledo Sight Center
>> >
>> >ar
>> >ar
>> >ar Yes, but ACB also strongly promotes the use of braille.  Why wouldn't
>> >ar any blind person strongly promote braille?  That would be like saying
>> >ar literacy is not important.
>> >ar
>> >ar On 5/22/14, Cheryl Fields via Ohio-talk <ohio-talk at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>> >ar > Ditto, Mariann. Patience is a weakness of mine, add me to your
>> >ar > prayers. Blessings
>> >ar >
>> >ar > On 5/22/14, Marianne Denning via Ohio-talk <ohio-talk at nfbnet.org>
>> >ar > wrote:
>> >ar >ar I agree Cheryl, but I always tell God to give me patience and give
>> > it
>> >ar >ar to me now.  Patience isn't always one of my strengths.  I am
>> >ar > extremely
>> >ar >ar patient with people but there are other areas where I am not
>> > patient.
>> >ar >ar
>> >ar >ar On 5/21/14, Cheryl Fields via Ohio-talk <ohio-talk at nfbnet.org>
>> > wrote:
>> >ar >>> Mariann, Absolutely! To change it takes courage, one day it will
>> >ar >>> happen. all we can do is control and change ourselves. Keep the
>> > Faith
>> >ar >>> Blessings
>> >ar >>>
>> >ar >>> On 5/21/14, Marianne Denning via Ohio-talk <ohio-talk at nfbnet.org>
>> >ar >>> wrote:
>> >ar >>>> I agree with you totally.  I want action at Clovernook but no
>> > one
>> >ar >>>> else
>> >ar >>>> seems interested and I can't do it alone.  Hopefully, people
>> > will
>> >ar >>>> get
>> >ar >>>> tired of it one day and decide to change things.  I have changed
>> > my
>> >ar >>>> own behaviors by refusing to work with Clovernook on any level
>> > but
>> >ar >>>> it
>> >ar >>>> takes others to act too.
>> >ar >>>>
>> >ar >>>> I must say, that in the case of Clovernook, it is not the direct
>> >ar >>>> staff
>> >ar >>>> but their administration and board.
>> >ar >>>>
>> >ar >>>> On 5/21/14, Cheryl Fields via Ohio-talk <ohio-talk at nfbnet.org>
>> >ar >>>> wrote:
>> >ar >>>>> Totally agree with you. however if some of us are willing to
>> > stoke
>> >ar >>>>> the
>> >ar >>>>> fire, let's do it!
>> >ar >>>>> One of the things Toledo folks can do is to approach board
>> >ar >>>>> president
>> >ar >>>>> and suggest forming consumer council committee. We have this
>> > and
>> >ar >>>>> has
>> >ar >>>>> become a useful tool, offering guidance, sugggestions,
>> > constructive
>> >ar >>>>> critisim to agency. There should be a group of blind people
>> > that
>> >ar >>>>> understand the structure of agency, financially and
>> > operationally
>> >ar >>>>> to
>> >ar >>>>> communicate what is acceptable and reasonable to consumers and
>> >ar >>>>> agency.
>> >ar >>>>> You are right. It is difficult if you don't understand or not
>> > aware
>> >ar >>>>> of
>> >ar >>>>> how much to expect from training. Thank god for nfb and this
>> > list
>> >ar >>>>> for
>> >ar >>>>> others to share concerns. Every now and then, we are too
>> > passive,
>> >ar >>>>> sometimes a good fight can change that attitude.
>> >ar >>>>>
>> >ar >>>>> On 5/21/14, Marianne Denning via Ohio-talk
>> > <ohio-talk at nfbnet.org>
>> >ar >>>>> wrote:
>> >ar >>>>>> Cheryl, I appreciate that but it will take people in the
>> > Toledo
>> >ar >>>>>> area
>> >ar >>>>>> to make the needed changes.  That is why I asked if anyone
>> > from
>> >ar >>>>>> NFB
>> >ar >>>>>> was on the board.  Often the board is made up of business
>> > people
>> >ar >>>>>> in
>> >ar >>>>>> the community who have the ability to raise money for the
>> >ar >>>>>> organization
>> >ar >>>>>> and that is good but there also need to be blind people on the
>> >ar >>>>>> board
>> >ar >>>>>> who can represent the needs of the people who receive
>> > services.
>> >ar >>>>>> This
>> >ar >>>>>> could also be handled through different committees providing
>> >ar >>>>>> guidance
>> >ar >>>>>> to the agency.  We can complain all we want but until we get
>> > in
>> >ar >>>>>> and
>> >ar >>>>>> work for change, nothing will happen.  We need to stop being
>> > so
>> >ar >>>>>> passive.
>> >ar >>>>>>
>> >ar >>>>>> On 5/21/14, Cheryl Fields via Ohio-talk <ohio-talk at nfbnet.org>
>> >ar >>>>>> wrote:
>> >ar >>>>>>> M, what do you have in mind? I am on the board of Cleveland
>> > Sight
>> >ar >>>>>>> Center and am willing to help, if I can. CEO of Cleveland
>> > Sight
>> >ar >>>>>>> Center
>> >ar >>>>>>> may have relationship with Toledo. There must be a workable
>> >ar >>>>>>> solution,
>> >ar >>>>>>> it's disturbing to know that this is what is passing as rehab
>> >ar >>>>>>> offered
>> >ar >>>>>>> out there. Blessings, Cheryl Fields
>> >ar >>>>>>>
>> >ar >>>>>>> On 5/21/14, Marianne Denning via Ohio-talk
>> > <ohio-talk at nfbnet.org>
>> >ar >>>>>>> wrote:
>> >ar >>>>>>>> Is anyone from NFB on their board?  We have a similar
>> > problem
>> >ar >>>>>>>> with
>> >ar >>>>>>>> Clovernook here in Cincinnati but we also have Cincinnati
>> >ar >>>>>>>> Association
>> >ar >>>>>>>> for the Blind.
>> >ar >>>>>>>>
>> >ar >>>>>>>> On 5/20/14, Colleen Roth via Ohio-talk
>> > <ohio-talk at nfbnet.org>
>> >ar >>>>>>>> wrote:
>> >ar >>>>>>>>> Hello Aleeha,
>> >ar >>>>>>>>> Anything can be stated on a website.
>> >ar >>>>>>>>> That doesn't mean that that is what the staff believe.
>> >ar >>>>>>>>> The website just mentions braille and then goes on to
>> > discuss
>> >ar >>>>>>>>> other
>> >ar >>>>>>>>> things.
>> >ar >>>>>>>>> There is no qualified Braille Teacher at the Sight Center
>> > and
>> >ar >>>>>>>>> Braille
>> >ar >>>>>>>>> is
>> >ar >>>>>>>>> not
>> >ar >>>>>>>>> emphasized in any way for those who need it.
>> >ar >>>>>>>>> I love my Braille Sense but I like having a slate and stylus
>> > to
>> >ar >>>>>>>>> write
>> >ar >>>>>>>>> something down because it just fits in my purse.
>> >ar >>>>>>>>> I can also hand someone my information in Braille if they
>> > can
>> >ar >>>>>>>>> read
>> >ar >>>>>>>>> it
>> >ar >>>>>>>>> and
>> >ar >>>>>>>>> do
>> >ar >>>>>>>>> not have something with them.
>> >ar >>>>>>>>> When I want to study something sometimes I just want to read
>> > it
>> >ar >>>>>>>>> with
>> >ar >>>>>>>>> my
>> >ar >>>>>>>>> fingers.
>> >ar >>>>>>>>> I like to have a book to read when I am in a doctor's
>> > office
>> >ar >>>>>>>>> and
>> >ar >>>>>>>>> by
>> >ar >>>>>>>>> someone's bedside.
>> >ar >>>>>>>>> More than once, I have read something, anything, to someone
>> > who
>> >ar >>>>>>>>> just
>> >ar >>>>>>>>> wanted
>> >ar >>>>>>>>> to be read to while they were in the hospital.
>> >ar >>>>>>>>> Br in a book is quieter than using a notetaker when I am in
>> >ar >>>>>>>>> Church.
>> >ar >>>>>>>>> It is also much easier to use when I am standing at the Ambo
>> > to
>> >ar >>>>>>>>> read
>> >ar >>>>>>>>> Scripture for Mass.
>> >ar >>>>>>>>> I have used my Braille Sense for certain Prayer Meetings
>> > and
>> >ar >>>>>>>>> classes
>> >ar >>>>>>>>> but
>> >ar >>>>>>>>> give me Braille on paper for many other things.
>> >ar >>>>>>>>> I also find myself using braille to label cans and other
>> > food
>> >ar >>>>>>>>> items.
>> >ar >>>>>>>>> Let's be reasonable not every one wants or can afford an
>> > iphone
>> >ar >>>>>>>>> or
>> >ar >>>>>>>>> ID
>> >ar >>>>>>>>> Mate.
>> >ar >>>>>>>>> Colleen Roth
>> >ar >>>>>>>>>
>> >ar >>>>>>>>>
>> >ar >>>>>>>>>
>> >ar >>>>>>>>> ----- Original Message -----
>> >ar >>>>>>>>> From: Aleeha Dudley via Ohio-talk <ohio-talk at nfbnet.org>
>> >ar >>>>>>>>> To: NFB of Ohio Announcement and Discussion List
>> >ar >>>>>>>>> <ohio-talk at nfbnet.org>
>> >ar >>>>>>>>> Date: Tuesday, May 20, 2014 10:36:35 AM
>> >ar >>>>>>>>> Subject: Re: [Ohio-talk] Toledo Sight Center
>> >ar >>>>>>>>>
>> >ar >>>>>>>>>>
>> >ar >>>>>>>>>>
>> >ar >>>>>>>>>> Iam not quite sure what to think about this. Although I
>> >ar >>>>>>>>>> believe
>> >ar >>>>>>>>>> that
>> >ar >>>>>>>>>> Braille is not as fast as a computer for communicating, I
>> >ar >>>>>>>>>> believe
>> >ar >>>>>>>>>> it
>> >ar >>>>>>>>>> is
>> >ar >>>>>>>>>> still relevant and important. I think the website does a
>> > good
>> >ar >>>>>>>>>> job
>> >ar >>>>>>>>>> of
>> >ar >>>>>>>>>> expressing that technology is not the only answer.
>> >ar >>>>>>>>>> Aleeha
>> >ar >>>>>>>>>>
>> >ar >>>>>>>>>> Sent from my iPhone
>> >ar >>>>>>>>>>
>> >ar >>>>>>>>>> > On May 20, 2014, at 10:21 AM, Marianne Denning via
>> > Ohio-talk
>> >ar >>>>>>>>>> > <ohio-talk at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>> >ar >>>>>>>>>> >
>> >ar >>>>>>>>>> > Since people have been talking about the Toledo Sight
>> > Center
>> >ar >>>>>>>>>> > I
>> >ar >>>>>>>>>> > thought
>> >ar >>>>>>>>>> > I would look at their website.  Below you will find what
>> >ar >>>>>>>>>> > they
>> >ar >>>>>>>>>> > have
>> >ar >>>>>>>>>> > to
>> >ar >>>>>>>>>> > say about their technology services.  In the beginning
>> > they
>> >ar >>>>>>>>>> > talk
>> >ar >>>>>>>>>> > about
>> >ar >>>>>>>>>> > technology and mention  that many people still use
>> >ar >>>>>>>>>> > braille...
>> >ar >>>>>>>>>> > Read
>> >ar >>>>>>>>>> > this and feel free to comment.
>> >ar >>>>>>>>>> >
>> >ar >>>>>>>>>> > Technology Resource Center
>> >ar >>>>>>>>>> >
>> >ar >>>>>>>>>> > The rapid advancement of computer technology has opened
>> > many
>> >ar >>>>>>>>>> > doors
>> >ar >>>>>>>>>> > for
>> >ar >>>>>>>>>> > blind and visually impaired people. Although many blind
>> >ar >>>>>>>>>> > people
>> >ar >>>>>>>>>> > still
>> >ar >>>>>>>>>> > use Braille, the opportunity to communicate faster and
>> >ar >>>>>>>>>> > easier
>> >ar >>>>>>>>>> > via
>> >ar >>>>>>>>>> > computers that read aloud is opening new worlds of
>> >ar >>>>>>>>>> > communication
>> >ar >>>>>>>>>> > including surfing the web as well as sending and
>> > receiving
>> >ar >>>>>>>>>> > email.
>> >ar >>>>>>>>>> > Additionally, for the visually impaired person,
>> > computers
>> >ar >>>>>>>>>> > offering
>> >ar >>>>>>>>>> > large screens allow for enlarged type size and high
>> > contrast
>> >ar >>>>>>>>>> > color
>> >ar >>>>>>>>>> > patterns that permit easier reading.
>> >ar >>>>>>>>>> >
>> >ar >>>>>>>>>> >
>> >ar >>>>>>>>>> >
>> >ar >>>>>>>>>> > --
>> >ar >>>>>>>>>> > Marianne Denning, TVI, MA
>> >ar >>>>>>>>>> > Teacher of students who are blind or visually impaired
>> >ar >>>>>>>>>> > (513) 607-6053
>> >ar >>>>>>>>>> >
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>> >ar >>>>>>>> Marianne Denning, TVI, MA
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>> >ar >ar Teacher of students who are blind or visually impaired
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