[Ohio-talk] Ohio-talk Digest, Vol 93, Issue 27
Jeanne Gallagher
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Sat Nov 28 04:26:54 UTC 2015
It seems to me that paralysis would be considered strictly a physical
disability, because the paralysis is the cause, and the result would be
possible sensory deprivations. Blindness and deafness, on the other hand,
would be considered strictly sensual, because assuming a sensory-deprived
person has no other physical problems, the blind person can still move
around, albeit with limitations until given mobility training. In that case,
the blindness itself is causing whatever mobility limitations there are,
which can be overcome.
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1. Re: sensory impairments (Kaiti Shelton)
2. Re: sensory impairments (Marianne Denning)
3. Washington Seminar (Eric Duffy)
4. Re: Washington Seminar (Alexis)
5. 17 ways to make a blind person's day--two more items to add
(mzavoli at roadrunner.com)
6. Re: Washington Seminar (Aleeha Dudley)
7. Re: 17 ways to make a blind person's day--two more items to
add (Kaiti Shelton)
8. Laptop Recommendations (mzavoli at roadrunner.com)
9. Re: Laptop Recommendations (CHRIS TOLLE)
10. Re: Laptop Recommendations (Aleeha Dudley)
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Message: 1
Date: Tue, 24 Nov 2015 15:07:38 -0500
From: Kaiti Shelton <kaiti.shelton at gmail.com>
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Subject: Re: [Ohio-talk] sensory impairments
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As a clinician I completely agree with this. Some of my music therapy
textbooks categorize visual impairment as sensory rather than physical, but
they are in the minority. One could argue that it is physical in the sense
that it hinders mobility, but deafness can have effects on mobility as well.
I'm just curious, though. If paralysis is a disorder where you can't feel
and do not have a sense of touch in a particular part of your body, would
paralysis be more of a sensory impairment than a physical one as well? Great
stuff to think about.
Sent from my iPhone
> On Nov 24, 2015, at 1:01 PM, Robert Spangler via Ohio-talk
<ohio-talk at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>
> Sense - any system that consists of a group of sensory cell types that
> respond to a specific physical phenomenon and that corresponds to a
> particular group of regions within the brain where the signals are
> received and interpreted.
> -- Sounds a lot like sight to me!
>
> The source from which I obtained this information argues that there
> are at least nine senses and maybe even more. So, since sight is one
> of the senses (in fact, possibly two senses), it then follows that we
> have a sensory disability.
>
> Source:
> http://www.todayifoundout.com/index.php/2010/07/humans-have-a-lot-more
> -than-
> five-senses/
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Ohio-talk [mailto:ohio-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of
> Marianne Denning via Ohio-talk
> Sent: Tuesday, November 24, 2015 10:35 AM
> To: NFB of Ohio Announcement and Discussion List
> <ohio-talk at nfbnet.org>
> Cc: Marianne Denning <marianne at denningweb.com>
> Subject: [Ohio-talk] sensory impairments
>
> I have been thinking about this for awhile and wanted to discuss it on
> this list. Blind people are grouped in with people who have physical
> disabilities. Many blind people can have a physical disability but
> blindness itself is not a physical disability. It is a sensory
disability.
> The 2 main groups who have sensory impairments are the deaf and the blind.
> I know the NFB uses the term blind and that is great but could we also
> categorize it as a sensory impairment? I would like to hear other
> people's thoughts.
>
> --
> Marianne Denning, TVI, MA
> Teacher of students who are blind or visually impaired
> (513) 607-6053
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Message: 2
Date: Tue, 24 Nov 2015 15:17:57 -0500
From: Marianne Denning <marianne at denningweb.com>
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Subject: Re: [Ohio-talk] sensory impairments
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Kaity, that is an interesting thought. I am just trying to get people to
understand that we have different accessibility needs than people with
physical disabilities. We don't need ramps, wheelchairs and other similar
things. My concern about putting deaf and blind into sensory impairments is
that many people think blind people need sign language and tdeaf people need
braille. Again, our accessibility needs are different.
I think paralysis causes a physical limitation but blindness does not cause
that.
On 11/24/15, Kaiti Shelton via Ohio-talk <ohio-talk at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> As a clinician I completely agree with this. Some of my music therapy
> textbooks categorize visual impairment as sensory rather than
> physical, but they are in the minority. One could argue that it is
> physical in the sense that it hinders mobility, but deafness can have
effects on mobility as well.
>
>
> I'm just curious, though. If paralysis is a disorder where you can't
> feel and do not have a sense of touch in a particular part of your
> body, would paralysis be more of a sensory impairment than a physical
> one as well? Great stuff to think about.
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
>> On Nov 24, 2015, at 1:01 PM, Robert Spangler via Ohio-talk
>> <ohio-talk at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>>
>> Sense - any system that consists of a group of sensory cell types
>> that respond to a specific physical phenomenon and that corresponds
>> to a particular group of regions within the brain where the signals
>> are received and interpreted.
>> -- Sounds a lot like sight to me!
>>
>> The source from which I obtained this information argues that there
>> are at least nine senses and maybe even more. So, since sight is one
>> of the senses (in fact, possibly two senses), it then follows that we
>> have a sensory disability.
>>
>> Source:
>> http://www.todayifoundout.com/index.php/2010/07/humans-have-a-lot-mor
>> e-than-
>> five-senses/
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Ohio-talk [mailto:ohio-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of
>> Marianne Denning via Ohio-talk
>> Sent: Tuesday, November 24, 2015 10:35 AM
>> To: NFB of Ohio Announcement and Discussion List
>> <ohio-talk at nfbnet.org>
>> Cc: Marianne Denning <marianne at denningweb.com>
>> Subject: [Ohio-talk] sensory impairments
>>
>> I have been thinking about this for awhile and wanted to discuss it
>> on this list. Blind people are grouped in with people who have
>> physical disabilities. Many blind people can have a physical
>> disability but blindness itself is not a physical disability. It is
>> a sensory disability.
>> The 2 main groups who have sensory impairments are the deaf and the
>> blind.
>> I know the NFB uses the term blind and that is great but could we
>> also categorize it as a sensory impairment? I would like to hear
>> other people's thoughts.
>>
>> --
>> Marianne Denning, TVI, MA
>> Teacher of students who are blind or visually impaired
>> (513) 607-6053
>>
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Message: 3
Date: Tue, 24 Nov 2015 16:32:28 -0500
From: Eric Duffy <peduffy63 at gmail.com>
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Subject: [Ohio-talk] Washington Seminar
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this is a reminder that Barbara Pierce needs to have the names of anyone who
wants to be a part of the Washington Seminar by December 1. Also please
remember that when we speak with you in early December you must know how you
are going to cover a significant portion of your cost. This could happen in
a number of ways including help and support from your chapter.
The Washington Seminar requires a lot of walking with very few breaks. Pleas
keep that in mind.
If we don?t have your name on our list by 11:59 PM. on December 1, you will
not be considered. It won?t work to say you knew I wanted to go. I go every
year. Maybe, but I told Barbara to put my name on the list.
There are a number of things we consider when making final decisions about
who is selected to participate. Of course a major consideration is that we
want to have representation from as many congressional districts as
possible.
We will start working to put our delegation together on December 2.
Thanks.
Eric
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Message: 4
Date: Tue, 24 Nov 2015 17:25:14 -0500
From: Alexis <alexistyson2000 at yahoo.com>
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Subject: Re: [Ohio-talk] Washington Seminar
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I would like to go. Alexis tyson.
Sent from my iPhone
> On Nov 24, 2015, at 4:32 PM, Eric Duffy via Ohio-talk
<ohio-talk at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>
> this is a reminder that Barbara Pierce needs to have the names of anyone
who wants to be a part of the Washington Seminar by December 1. Also please
remember that when we speak with you in early December you must know how you
are going to cover a significant portion of your cost. This could happen in
a number of ways including help and support from your chapter.
>
> The Washington Seminar requires a lot of walking with very few breaks.
Pleas keep that in mind.
>
> If we don?t have your name on our list by 11:59 PM. on December 1, you
will not be considered. It won?t work to say you knew I wanted to go. I go
every year. Maybe, but I told Barbara to put my name on the list.
>
> There are a number of things we consider when making final decisions about
who is selected to participate. Of course a major consideration is that we
want to have representation from as many congressional districts as
possible.
> We will start working to put our delegation together on December 2.
>
> Thanks.
>
> Eric
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Message: 5
Date: Tue, 24 Nov 2015 17:34:34 -0500
From: <mzavoli at roadrunner.com>
To: ohio-talk at nfbnet.org
Subject: [Ohio-talk] 17 ways to make a blind person's day--two more
items to add
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Hi Listers,
The list of items on 17 Ways to Make A Blind Person's day was right on the
money, and I would add two more items.
18. Take care of our affairs: We love it when our relatives and friends
handle our affairs and speak for us. We don't have to think for ourselves!
19. When you see someone walking with a long white cane, and you want to
guide them, be sure to pick up the other end of it. We love to give up our
control and trail behind our rescuer!
Milena Zavoli
Season's Greetings!
Support the National Federation of the Blind of Ohio.
Check out Malley?s collection of sweet treats and make your holidays
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Message: 6
Date: Tue, 24 Nov 2015 18:04:08 -0500
From: Aleeha Dudley <blindcowgirl1993 at gmail.com>
To: NFB of Ohio Announcement and Discussion List
<ohio-talk at nfbnet.org>
Subject: Re: [Ohio-talk] Washington Seminar
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For those who do not have Barbara?s email address, it is
barbara.pierce9366 at gmail.com
It is advisable to email her directly rather than responding on list, just
so your name doesn?t get missed.
Aleeha Dudley
> On Nov 24, 2015, at 5:25 PM, Alexis via Ohio-talk <ohio-talk at nfbnet.org>
wrote:
>
> I would like to go. Alexis tyson.
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
>> On Nov 24, 2015, at 4:32 PM, Eric Duffy via Ohio-talk
<ohio-talk at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>>
>> this is a reminder that Barbara Pierce needs to have the names of anyone
who wants to be a part of the Washington Seminar by December 1. Also please
remember that when we speak with you in early December you must know how you
are going to cover a significant portion of your cost. This could happen in
a number of ways including help and support from your chapter.
>>
>> The Washington Seminar requires a lot of walking with very few breaks.
Pleas keep that in mind.
>>
>> If we don?t have your name on our list by 11:59 PM. on December 1, you
will not be considered. It won?t work to say you knew I wanted to go. I go
every year. Maybe, but I told Barbara to put my name on the list.
>>
>> There are a number of things we consider when making final decisions
about who is selected to participate. Of course a major consideration is
that we want to have representation from as many congressional districts as
possible.
>> We will start working to put our delegation together on December 2.
>>
>> Thanks.
>>
>> Eric
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Message: 7
Date: Tue, 24 Nov 2015 18:04:17 -0500
From: Kaiti Shelton <kaiti.shelton at gmail.com>
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<ohio-talk at nfbnet.org>
Subject: Re: [Ohio-talk] 17 ways to make a blind person's day--two
more items to add
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Yes! And 20. When offering assistance be sure to ignore the blind person's
senseless instructions. Grab onto them rather than letting them take your
arm, hover around to watch the spectacle while the blind person thinks
you're gone, and of course use your own judgement to decide where the person
wants to go. Blind people can't possibly know where they want to go or how
they want to get there. Ignore them when they think they know better.
Sent from my iPhone
> On Nov 24, 2015, at 5:34 PM, Milena Zavoli via Ohio-talk
<ohio-talk at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>
> Hi Listers,
>
> The list of items on 17 Ways to Make A Blind Person's day was right on
the money, and I would add two more items.
>
> 18. Take care of our affairs: We love it when our relatives and friends
handle our affairs and speak for us. We don't have to think for ourselves!
>
> 19. When you see someone walking with a long white cane, and you want to
guide them, be sure to pick up the other end of it. We love to give up our
control and trail behind our rescuer!
>
> Milena Zavoli
> Season's Greetings!
> Support the National Federation of the Blind of Ohio.
> Check out Malley?s collection of sweet treats and make your holidays
special!
> Free Shipping on all orders of $60 or more to one address
> http://www.malleys.com/national-federation-of-the-blind-of-ohio
>
>
>
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Message: 8
Date: Tue, 24 Nov 2015 18:10:42 -0500
From: <mzavoli at roadrunner.com>
To: ohio-talk at nfbnet.org
Subject: [Ohio-talk] Laptop Recommendations
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Hi Sherri,
You have a great laptop!
As you know, my computer crashed a few days before yours. I asked Best Buy
for their laptop recommendations, and they suggested Asus or Lenovo as two
of the best. Asus is the primary manufacturer and supplier of computer
parts for itself and other companies, so it's best to get it from the
source.
Lenovo, which is the laptop I bought, bought up IBM's personal computer
business, so the parts are high quality.
Both these computers will provide us with long-lasting reliable service.
Milena Zavoli
Season's Greetings!
Support the National Federation of the Blind of Ohio.
Check out Malley?s collection of sweet treats and make your holidays
special!
Free Shipping on all orders of $60 or more to one address
http://www.malleys.com/national-federation-of-the-blind-of-ohio
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Message: 9
Date: Tue, 24 Nov 2015 18:56:45 -0500
From: CHRIS TOLLE <tollebooth at yahoo.com>
To: NFB of Ohio Announcement and Discussion List
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Cc: mzavoli at roadrunner.com
Subject: Re: [Ohio-talk] Laptop Recommendations
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MacBook Pro
tollebooth
Note: this message was generated using dictation on an iOS device.
> On Nov 24, 2015, at 6:10 PM, Milena Zavoli via Ohio-talk
<ohio-talk at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>
> Hi Sherri,
>
> You have a great laptop!
>
> As you know, my computer crashed a few days before yours. I asked Best
Buy for their laptop recommendations, and they suggested Asus or Lenovo as
two of the best. Asus is the primary manufacturer and supplier of computer
parts for itself and other companies, so it's best to get it from the
source.
>
> Lenovo, which is the laptop I bought, bought up IBM's personal computer
business, so the parts are high quality.
>
> Both these computers will provide us with long-lasting reliable service.
>
> Milena Zavoli
> Season's Greetings!
> Support the National Federation of the Blind of Ohio.
> Check out Malley?s collection of sweet treats and make your holidays
special!
> Free Shipping on all orders of $60 or more to one address
> http://www.malleys.com/national-federation-of-the-blind-of-ohio
>
>
>
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Message: 10
Date: Tue, 24 Nov 2015 19:35:52 -0500
From: Aleeha Dudley <blindcowgirl1993 at gmail.com>
To: NFB of Ohio Announcement and Discussion List
<ohio-talk at nfbnet.org>
Cc: CHRIS TOLLE <tollebooth at yahoo.com>, mzavoli at roadrunner.com
Subject: Re: [Ohio-talk] Laptop Recommendations
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I completely agree, it is expensive, but has the potential to last for years
and will run multiple operating systems.
Sent from my iPhone
> On Nov 24, 2015, at 18:56, CHRIS TOLLE via Ohio-talk
<ohio-talk at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>
> MacBook Pro
>
> tollebooth
>
> Note: this message was generated using dictation on an iOS device.
>
>> On Nov 24, 2015, at 6:10 PM, Milena Zavoli via Ohio-talk
<ohio-talk at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>>
>> Hi Sherri,
>>
>> You have a great laptop!
>>
>> As you know, my computer crashed a few days before yours. I asked Best
Buy for their laptop recommendations, and they suggested Asus or Lenovo as
two of the best. Asus is the primary manufacturer and supplier of computer
parts for itself and other companies, so it's best to get it from the
source.
>>
>> Lenovo, which is the laptop I bought, bought up IBM's personal computer
business, so the parts are high quality.
>>
>> Both these computers will provide us with long-lasting reliable service.
>>
>> Milena Zavoli
>> Season's Greetings!
>> Support the National Federation of the Blind of Ohio.
>> Check out Malley?s collection of sweet treats and make your holidays
special!
>> Free Shipping on all orders of $60 or more to one address
>> http://www.malleys.com/national-federation-of-the-blind-of-ohio
>>
>>
>>
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