[Perform-talk] Audio description

Tue Jun 9 20:01:10 UTC 2015

Perhaps this could be something to work towards at a future convention
as a workshop, or even possibly a small performance.  Even monologues
or short musical scenes could be a good start.  We could also involve
those who might be interested in scriptwriting or stage direction as
part of the performing arts to create the material.  Maybe a blind
dancer could help choreograph something.  I chuckle at the idea of
"NFB: The Musical," but it might be a good way for us to seriously
look at and address these concerns with some poling and advice from
professionals in performing arts and blindness.

On 6/9/15, Julie McGinnity via Perform-talk <perform-talk at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> Hi all,
>
> Masha, I could start another thread about how to deal with set
> building, set strike, etc.  Of course, I am still working out how I
> can be the best help and how to trick others into believing that I can
> help in the first place.
>
> Honestly, student or community settings are the best place to start I
> would think, unless you have really good connections.  But all
> experience is good for developing personal strategies for things like
> moving on stage and chemistry with other cast members.
>
> Kaiti, that musical sounds really cool!  That's the kind of thing I
> was thinking of.
>
> Maria, I understand.   Society has put us into a box after all, and
> it's hard to get ourselves out of it, especially when we are unsure of
> our reception by the casting directors.  I also can't really hide my
> blindness.  If you look at my eyes you can tell I'm blind.  But I
> agree that audiences can be tricked into believing anything,
> especially if we have the talent to carry it off.  Why should
> disability be any different?
>
>
>
>
> On 6/9/15, Masha Sten-Clanton via Perform-talk <perform-talk at nfbnet.org>
> wrote:
>> Also, while we'd all love to get paid for acting, let's not forget
>> community theater. among the generalpublic, most people who love to act
>> don't get paid for it. By participating in community theater, they have
>> a lot of fun and provide affordable and often high-quality productions.
>> But community theater also brings other issues: The directors aren't
>> professional and may not feel confident enough to work with a blind
>> actor. Also, the set often isn't built until the last minute, and so
>> it's not possible to get a lot of time acclimating to it. Not only that,
>> often actors are expected to help out in building the set. I know many
>> Federationists have had training in power tools, but if you haven't been
>> to one of the Centers, it may be difficult to find such training. So
>> there's the whole issue of how to participate in this work and in strike
>> -- how to insist on your ability to help out while not getting in the
>> way by doing so.
>>
>> And then of course there's the ever-loving audition. A lot of directors
>> seem to judge on "chemistry", which seems to mean the ability of actors
>> to click immediately. A lot of this seems to be accomplished by looking
>> at each other. It could be done by *talking* to each other, provided
>> there's time to do so. Would it be reasonable to ask for extra time with
>> one's scene partner before going up to audition? I make sure to be
>> familiar with all of the sides before I get there, but often I get a
>> scene partner who's reading the side for the first time. Forget trying
>> to coordinate under those circumstances!
>>
>> As you can see, I've thought a lot about these things too!
>>
>> Kaiti, that Bach musical sounds very fun and creative!
>>
>> Masha
>>
>> On 6/8/2015 10:01 PM, Julie McGinnity via Perform-talk wrote:
>>> I am very interested and would be happy to oversee this project.
>>>
>>> I think one of the things that we have never looked at in depth was
>>> what it means to be a blind actor.
>>>
>>> Let me begin by saying that I am not strictly an actor.  I am an opera
>>> singer, which means that I am a musician, but I also believe that I am
>>> an actor.  I have performed in operas, recitals, and opera scenes
>>> programs as well as musicals many years ago.
>>>
>>> I have unfortunately had to question what it means to me personally to
>>> be a blind actor.  I won't tell the whole story here, but I hav been
>>> pondering several questions for years now, such as:
>>>
>>> How much should our blindness impact our casting?  Should we only
>>> consider blind roles?  Should we consider them at all?  If we believe
>>> that only blind people should play blind roles, then should blind
>>> actors simply exist to fill in these (admittedly limited) places?
>>>
>>> How can we show the world that we can act beyond our blindness?  How
>>> can we show our colleagues that we can be independent on stage, even
>>> as we act as part of the group?  How do we naturally and affectively
>>> portray our characters to the audience and integrate the alternative
>>> techniques we will need to use to navigate and interact with other
>>> characters?  Is it not acceptable to look at all blind on stage?  If
>>> it is, what is acceptable, and what is not?  And how do we show them?
>>>
>>> As you can tell, I never think about this topic...  :)  Definitely
>>> something that should be discussed, especially as we move forward not
>>> only as a division but also as the organization reaches a new time in
>>> its existence.
>>>
>>> On 6/8/15, Jordy Stringer via Perform-talk <perform-talk at nfbnet.org>
>>> wrote:
>>>> I would love the chance to talk with you about this. Please e-mail me
>>>> at:
>>>>   jordystringer83 at gmail.com
>>>>
>>>> We can talk about mailing information and all that.
>>>> Talk to you soon.
>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>> From: Perform-talk [mailto:perform-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf
>>>> Of
>>>> Masha Sten-Clanton via Perform-talk
>>>> Sent: Monday, June 08, 2015 11:33 AM
>>>> To: Performing Arts Division list
>>>> Cc: Masha Sten-Clanton
>>>> Subject: Re: [Perform-talk] Audio description
>>>>
>>>> I'm all for it, and would love to serve on the committee! (I guess that
>>>> means I have to pay some division dues. Where do I send them since I
>>>> won't
>>>> be at the convention?)
>>>>
>>>> Masha
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On 6/8/2015 11:25 AM, Jordy Stringer via Perform-talk wrote:
>>>>> Yes, the issue of blind actors/actresses
>>>>>
>>>>> Jordy
>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>> From: Perform-talk [mailto:perform-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf
>>>>> Of Masha Sten-Clanton via Perform-talk
>>>>> Sent: Monday, June 08, 2015 11:13 AM
>>>>> To: Performing Arts Division list
>>>>> Cc: Masha Sten-Clanton
>>>>> Subject: Re: [Perform-talk] Audio description
>>>>>
>>>>> Hi Jordy:
>>>>>
>>>>> Thanks! Do you mean the issue of blind actors? (The title of this
>>>>> thread should have been changed long ago -- I apologize, as I'm one of
>>>>> the culprits who never changed it!)
>>>>>
>>>>> Masha
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> On 6/8/2015 9:22 AM, Jordy Stringer via Perform-talk wrote:
>>>>>> As there should definitely be an ongoing conversation, for the
>>>>>> record, the
>>>>> division has facilitated in the last three years, three such seminars
>>>>> during national convention. If you all think that this is an issue
>>>>> that deserves special attention, I'm happy to establish a committee
>>>>> that will pay special attention to this performing arts related issue.
>>>>> I'm happy to discuss that here on the listserv, via conference call,
>>>>> or
>>>> during national convention.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Comments?
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Sent from the iPhone of Jordy D Stringer President, performing arts
>>>>>> division, national Federation of the blind
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On Jun 7, 2015, at 4:38 PM, Julie McGinnity via Perform-talk
>>>>> <perform-talk at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> This is very interesting.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> What we need to do is put on a production with all blind...  Blind
>>>>>>> directors, actors, musicians if we choose to do a musical that is.
>>>>>>> Of course, employing sighted people to assess stage lighting and the
>>>>>>> look of the costumes would be fine, but all decisions would be made
>>>>>>> by the blind.  I have heard of this company and find it interesting
>>>>>>> that theater "by the blind" doesn't have blind directors.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I'm so glad we have actors on this list!  I think how the blind are
>>>>>>> treated as actors is a very important topic and one the division
>>>>>>> should discuss.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> On 6/7/15, Maria  via Perform-talk <perform-talk at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>>>>>>>> Hi Masha,
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Very well said.  It did ruin the experience for me.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Still, I love acting and I'm hoping to someday find a way to get
>>>>>>>> involved in the industry again.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Maria
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>>>>> From: Perform-talk [mailto:perform-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On
>>>>>>>> Behalf Of Masha Sten-Clanton via Perform-talk
>>>>>>>> Sent: Sunday, June 07, 2015 6:04 AM
>>>>>>>> To: Performing Arts Division list
>>>>>>>> Cc: Masha Sten-Clanton
>>>>>>>> Subject: Re: [Perform-talk] Audio description
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Hi Maria:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> I think my reactions to that sort of thing would be very similar to
>>>>> yours.
>>>>>>>> I
>>>>>>>> wouldn't mind telling (very true) stories about how I couldn't
>>>>>>>> participate in musicals in high school because they just assumed I
>>>>>>>> couldn't dance (and didn't try to teach me). Or how difficult it is
>>>>>>>> to get parts when directors are looking for chemistry during an
>>>>>>>> audition, and what they mean by chemistry is often the ability for
>>>>>>>> actors to give each other signals by looking at each other. But I
>>>>>>>> would want to tell these stories in an effort to help people think
>>>>>>>> about expanding our opportunities, not in order for some guy to set
>>>>>>>> himself up as my savior and collect money for same. That sounds
>>>>> intensely humiliating, and almost enough to ruin the experience.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> On 6/6/2015 10:52 PM, Maria via Perform-talk wrote:
>>>>>>>>> Hi Masha,
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> For about 4 years I was part of an all blind theater company.
>>>>>>>>> Perhaps you have heard of it.  Anyway, At first it was wonderful
>>>>>>>>> and I learned so much and I feel that I grew so much as an
>>>>>>>>> actress.
>>>>>>>>> However, as time went on I began to realize that something was not
>>>>>>>>> right about this
>>>>>>>> theater company.
>>>>>>>>> It is a nonprofit so of course there was a lot of fund raising and
>>>>>>>>> kick starters, however, to me it just seemed a bit excessive.  In
>>>>>>>>> addition, the director, which is sighted,  would make all the
>>>>>>>>> members tell there saddest most pathetic stories after the plays
>>>>>>>>> in order to gain the audiences sympathy and in so doing getting
>>>>>>>>> them to donate even more.  I loved doing the plays but I just
>>>>>>>>> hated that afgter the play he made us stand stage center and tell
>>>>>>>>> these tear jerking and totally depressing stories.  He would then
>>>>>>>>> emphasize how he was making such a positive difference on all our
>>>> lives.
>>>>>>>>> Long story short, according to him, he was the reason we had
>>>>>>>>> finally found a little joy in
>>>>>>>> our dark and lonely lives.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> I finally got sick of it and brought up all of my concerns.
>>>>>>>>> Needless to say that this did not go well.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Anyway, it's been over a year since I left CRE Outreach, and even
>>>>>>>>> though I do miss performing, I don't miss the manipulation and
>>>>>>>>> begging for
>>>>>>>> money.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Now I'm looking for new ways to get involved once again in the
>>>>>>>>> beautiful art of acting.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Maria
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>>>>>> From: Perform-talk [mailto:perform-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On
>>>>>>>>> Behalf Of Masha Sten-Clanton via Perform-talk
>>>>>>>>> Sent: Saturday, June 06, 2015 4:47 PM
>>>>>>>>> To: Performing Arts Division list
>>>>>>>>> Cc: Masha Sten-Clanton
>>>>>>>>> Subject: Re: [Perform-talk] Audio description
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Hi Maria:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> I do community theater, so not many roles call for blind or
>>>>>>>>> visually impaired characters. I find out about the theaters and
>>>>>>>>> sign up for their mailing lists, and thus get notices about
>>>>>>>>> auditions.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> What about you?
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Masha
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> On 6/6/2015 3:33 PM, Maria via Perform-talk wrote:
>>>>>>>>>> Hi Mosha,
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> How do you hear about auditions?  And, do you only audition to
>>>>>>>>>> roles that call for blind or visually impaired characters?  Just
>>>>> wondering.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Thanks,
>>>>>>>>>> Maria
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>>>>>>> From: Perform-talk [mailto:perform-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On
>>>>>>>>>> Behalf Of Masha Sten-Clanton via Perform-talk
>>>>>>>>>> Sent: Saturday, June 06, 2015 10:28 AM
>>>>>>>>>> To: Performing Arts Division list
>>>>>>>>>> Cc: Masha Sten-Clanton
>>>>>>>>>> Subject: Re: [Perform-talk] Audio description
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> I'll contact you, Sandra! Yes, I find that even going to
>>>>>>>>>> auditions is helpful, even when I don't get cast, because it's an
>>>>>>>>>> opportunity to work on something and to experience how different
>>>>>>>>>> people might interpret the same material.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> On 6/6/2015 1:17 PM, Sandra Gayer via Perform-talk wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>> Hello everyone,
>>>>>>>>>>> Sorry I'm late to this thread. I'm a Soprano Singer and Radio
>>>>>>>>>>> Presenter. I'm a soloist in an opera at the moment which
>>>>>>>>>>> celebrates the 800th anniversary of the signing of The Magna
>>>>>>>>>>> Carta.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> How difficult the work is to find, very much depends on where
>>>>>>>>>>> you look, how you sell yourself and, last but by no means least,
>>>>>>>>>>> how good you are at your craft!  Acting is no different. If you
>>>>>>>>>>> want work in these fields, you need experience. You can't get
>>>>>>>>>>> experience unless you are experienced. However, you can get
>>>>>>>>>>> experience volunteering in local groups. There is also
>>>>>>>>>>> experience to be gained on acting courses/vocal studies courses,
>>>>>>>>>>> auditions for jobs etc. Go to plays, concerts, musicals or
>>>>>>>>>>> another performances you feel relevant to see and hear how the
>>>>>>>>>>> professionals do things. Learn all you can. Every situation is
>>>>>>>>>>> an opportunity to learn something. Even auditions, (whether you
>>>>>>>>>>> get the part or not), is an opportunity to get something
>>>>>>>>>>> positive; hear a piece of music which suits your voice which you
>>>>>>>>>>> have never
>>>>> heard, make a contact...
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> If anyone wants further help on getting work in the arts,
>>>>>>>>>>> contact me off list at sandragayer7 at gmail.com Very best wishes,
>>>> Sandra.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> On 5/31/15, Rob Kaiser via Perform-talk
>>>>>>>>>>> <perform-talk at nfbnet.org>
>>>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>> i
>>>>>>>>>>>> It is just as hard to find singing jobs as well.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Rob Kaiser
>>>>>>>>>>>> email;
>>>>>>>>>>>> rcubfank at sbcglobal.net
>>>>>>>>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>>>>>>>>> From: Maria via Perform-talk
>>>>>>>>>>>> Sent: Saturday, May 30, 2015 7:52 PM
>>>>>>>>>>>> To: 'Performing Arts Division list'
>>>>>>>>>>>> Cc: Maria
>>>>>>>>>>>> Subject: Re: [Perform-talk] Audio description
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Hi Masha,
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> I love your name.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Please feel free to write to me off list.  I'd love to talk to
>>>>>>>>>>>> you about my acting experience.  It has been very difficult to
>>>>>>>>>>>> find acting jobs, but when I do find them they are awesome.
>>>>>>>>>>>> There is nothing I enjoy more than acting.
>>>>>>>>>>>> Sadly, it is so very difficult to find work in this industry.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Regards,
>>>>>>>>>>>> Maria
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>>>>>>>>> From: Perform-talk [mailto:perform-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On
>>>>>>>>>>>> Behalf Of Masha Sten-Clanton via Perform-talk
>>>>>>>>>>>> Sent: Saturday, May 30, 2015 4:40 PM
>>>>>>>>>>>> To: Performing Arts Division list
>>>>>>>>>>>> Cc: Masha Sten-Clanton
>>>>>>>>>>>> Subject: Re: [Perform-talk] Audio description
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Hi mMaria:
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> About three years ago, the NFB did a training for blind people
>>>>>>>>>>>> wishing to enter that field. I think the idea was that a
>>>>>>>>>>>> sighted person would write the descriptions and the blind
>>>>>>>>>>>> person could check them for things like conciseness,
>>>>>>>>>>>> non-condescension, and whether they contained not enough or too
>>>>>>>>>>>> much information. I applied for the training but didn't get in
>>>>>>>>>>>> -- it was highly competitive. I have no idea how it went or how
>>>>>>>>>>>> successful the trainees were at securing jobs in the field. You
>>>>>>>>>>>> might want to call the National Center and ask for Natalie
>>>>>>>>>>>> Shaheen -- I think she was in charge of organizing the program,
>>>>>>>>>>>> and she might have some
>>>>>>>> information.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Good luck!
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Masha
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 5/30/2015 6:49 PM, Maria via Perform-talk wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Thanks Rob, it is much appreciated.  I also love acting but
>>>>>>>>>>>>> it's so very hard to get into that industry.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Good luck with everything you do!
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Maria
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>>>>>>>>>> From: Perform-talk [mailto:perform-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Behalf Of Rob Kaiser via Perform-talk
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Sent: Saturday, May 30, 2015 3:09 PM
>>>>>>>>>>>>> To: Performing Arts Division list
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Cc: Rob Kaiser
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Subject: Re: [Perform-talk] Audio description
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Okay. Good luck on that. I am a singer myself and am still
>>>>>>>>>>>>> trying to see what I can do to get into the music business
>>>>>>>>>>>>> even at the young age of
>>>>>>>>>>>> 55.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Again, good luck on your endever.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Rob Kaiser
>>>>>>>>>>>>> email;
>>>>>>>>>>>>> rcubfank at sbcglobal.net
>>>>>>>>>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>>>>>>>>>> From: Maria via Perform-talk
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Sent: Saturday, May 30, 2015 3:06 PM
>>>>>>>>>>>>> To: 'Performing Arts Division list'
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Cc: Maria
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Subject: Re: [Perform-talk] Audio description
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Doing audio description.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>>>>>>>>>> From: Perform-talk [mailto:perform-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Behalf Of Rob Kaiser via Perform-talk
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Sent: Saturday, May 30, 2015 2:52 PM
>>>>>>>>>>>>> To: Performing Arts Division list
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Cc: Rob Kaiser
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Subject: Re: [Perform-talk] Audio description
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Could you be more spesific as to what you are trying to do?
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Are you trying to get acting jobs, or are you trying to do
>>>>>>>>>>>>> somehing rerding audio description?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Rob Kaiser
>>>>>>>>>>>>> email;
>>>>>>>>>>>>> rcubfank at sbcglobal.net
>>>>>>>>>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>>>>>>>>>> From: Maria via Perform-talk
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Sent: Saturday, May 30, 2015 2:36 PM
>>>>>>>>>>>>> To: Performing Arts Division list
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Cc: Maria
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Subject: [Perform-talk] Audio description
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Hi, my name is Maria and I am a totally blind woman living in
>>>>>>>>>>>>> the Los Angeles County.  I came across an email regarding the
>>>>>>>>>>>>> audio description awards and I wanted to express just how
>>>>>>>>>>>>> wonderful I think the audio description field is.  It truly
>>>>>>>>>>>>> does enrich the watching experience for many blind and
>>>>>>>>>>>>> visually
>>>>> impaired people.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Having said that, there is nothing I would like more than to
>>>>>>>>>>>>> know how I could become part of this field.  I am an avid
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Braille reader and I have also done some acting.  I think this
>>>>>>>>>>>>> career would be absolutely perfect for me.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Would anyone on this list be able to point me in the right
>>>>>>>>>>>>> direction so that I can pursue this type of employment?  For
>>>>>>>>>>>>> example, where could I get training in this field?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> I Thank you in advance for your time and assistance with this.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Regards,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Maria
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> The greatness comes not when things are always going well for
>>>>>>>>>>>>> you.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> But the greatness comes when you're really tested,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> when you take some knocks, some disappointments, when sadness
>>>>>>>>>>>>> comes...
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Because only if you've been in the deepest valley
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> can you ever know how magnificent it is to be on the highest
>>>>>>>>>>>>> mountain.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
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>>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/perform-talk_nfbnet.org/pinkrose101%40att.
>>>>>>>>> net
>>>>>>>>>
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>>>>>>>>> l
>>>>>>>>> ow%
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>>>>>>> --
>>>>>>> Julie McGinnity
>>>>>>> National Federation of the Blind of Missouri second vice president,
>>>>>>> National Federation of the Blind performing arts division secretary,
>>>>>>> Missouri Association of Guide dog Users President graduate, Guiding
>>>>>>> Eyes for the Blind 2008, 2014 "For we walk by faith, not by sight"
>>>>>>> 2 Cor. 7
>>>>>>>
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>>>
>>>
>>
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>>
>
>
> --
> Julie McGinnity
> National Federation of the Blind of Missouri second vice president,
> National Federation of the Blind performing arts division secretary,
> Missouri Association of Guide dog Users President
> graduate, Guiding Eyes for the Blind 2008, 2014
> "For we walk by faith, not by sight"
> 2 Cor. 7
>
> _______________________________________________
> Perform-talk mailing list
> Perform-talk at nfbnet.org
> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/perform-talk_nfbnet.org
> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for
> Perform-talk:
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>

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Kaiti