[Pibe-division] Accessible Graphing Calculator, Duxbury with Scientific N...

Brandy W branlw at sbcglobal.net
Fri Oct 7 07:47:22 CDT 2011


A para and a reader are completely 2 different animals!


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  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: EricGuillory at aol.com 
  To: pibe-division at nfbnet.org 
  Sent: Friday, October 07, 2011 7:27 AM
  Subject: Re: [Pibe-division] Accessible Graphing Calculator,Duxbury with Scientific N...


  Bran et al,

  I concur that students need to be given increased opportunities to use readers and self-advocacy skills while still in middle and high school. Working at a residential training center as I do, there are a lot of young adults who come to us with very poor self-advocacy skills and generally with absolutely zero reader experience. This is troubling, as college is truly monumentally different from what they have known before in terms of individual responsibility and initiative. My two cents on this beautiful fall Friday. A great weekend to all.

  EG
  PIBE President


  In a message dated 10/6/2011 9:36:43 P.M. Central Daylight Time, branlw at sbcglobal.net writes:
    Not every child has a para, and really in high school most kids don't. I went to school wwith out a para and so do and did many others. I'm pretty sure her Son doesn't have 1, and this would need to be prepared. I also did college math with an after class reader not someone sitting by me. Yes I'm a 
    Braille reader. Try to think more in line of how will the child do this independently instead of assuming the kid has a right arm person. I know a blind college math professor and he has a reader, but can do problems on his own.

    Bran



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      ----- Original Message ----- 
      From: Dr. Denise M. Robinson 
      To: Professionals in Blindness Education Division List 
      Sent: Thursday, October 06, 2011 12:00 PM
      Subject: Re: [Pibe-division] Accessible Graphing Calculator,Duxbury with Scientific N...


      Sally,
      Yes, to what Eric is saying with a bit more.
      Windows 7 offers a fantastic very accessible scientific calculator, using Jaws. However, the graphing part is still not there--The para does up the graph then with wikki sticks the blind child can graph what they just calculated. This still remains an issue in the field.


      Back to AGC--same issue. Yes, blind students can input the information, but without a graphic embosser, the sound that it plays is not enough feedback for the blind student to understand what he just did. So if they are using AGC, para does up the sheet and wikki sticks graph the lines. If the child has some vision, you can enlarge the screen enough to see the graph of the AGC

             Denise 

      Denise M. Robinson, TVI, Ph.D. 
      Teacher of the Blind & Visually Impaired
      TechVision-Independent Contractor
      Specialist in blind programming/teaching/training
      509-674-1853     deniserob at gmail.com

      http://blindgeteducated.blogspot.com/




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        From: "EricGuillory at aol.com" <EricGuillory at aol.com>
        To: pibe-division at nfbnet.org
        Sent: Thursday, October 6, 2011 9:27 AM
        Subject: Re: [Pibe-division] Accessible Graphing Calculator, Duxbury with Scientific N...


        Sally,

        You and I both! I like and respect Susan O, but, truth-to-tell, she is the only person with whom I have ever spoken who has given the AGC a positive rating. I think that, for the purpose of creating tactile graphics, it comes down to a high-quality reader with an understanding of mathematics and the requisite terminology, tactile graph paper, Wikki Stix, and other low-tech tools. As tech savvy as I am and I know your son is, that isn't always the most feasible solution. 

        As for the utilization of Sci Notebook with DBT: I personally have not done so and have gotten mixed reviews from those who have. It is certainly doable, but I think patience and proofreading are in order if you undertake it.

        I look forward to continued discussion on this vital issue.

        EG




        In a message dated 10/6/2011 11:13:25 A.M. Central Daylight Time, seacknit at gmail.com writes:
          I am interested in finding an accessible graphing calculator solution that really works.  It has to be useful even without a Tiger Embosser. Also, does anyone use Scientific notebook with Duxbury to create math problems for kids?  How does it work?  Would you recommend it?

          Thanks.

          Sally Thomas


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