[Pibe-division] Accessible Graphing Calculator, Duxbury with Scientific N...

Fri Oct 7 12:27:02 UTC 2011

Bran et al,

I concur that students need to be given increased opportunities to use  
readers and self-advocacy skills while still in middle and high school. Working 
 at a residential training center as I do, there are a lot of young adults 
who  come to us with very poor self-advocacy skills and generally with 
absolutely  zero reader experience. This is troubling, as college is truly 
monumentally  different from what they have known before in terms of individual 
responsibility  and initiative. My two cents on this beautiful fall Friday. A 
great weekend to  all.

EG
PIBE President

In a message dated 10/6/2011 9:36:43 P.M. Central Daylight Time,  
branlw at sbcglobal.net writes:

Not every child has a para, and really in high  school most kids don't. I 
went to school wwith out a para and so do and did  many others. I'm pretty 
sure her Son doesn't have 1, and this would need to be  prepared. I also did 
college math with an after class reader not someone  sitting by me. Yes I'm a 
Braille reader. Try to think more in line of how  will the child do this 
independently instead of assuming the kid has a right  arm person. I know a 
blind college math professor and he has a reader, but can  do problems on his 
own.

Bran

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From:  _Dr. Denise M. Robinson_ (mailto:dmehlenbacher at yahoo.com)  
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Subject: Re: [Pibe-division] Accessible  Graphing Calculator,Duxbury with 
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Sally,
Yes, to what Eric is saying with a bit more.
Windows 7 offers a fantastic very accessible scientific  calculator, using 
Jaws. However, the graphing part is still not there--The  para does up the 
graph then with wikki sticks the blind child can graph what  they just 
calculated. This still remains an issue in the field.

Back to AGC--same issue. Yes, blind students can input the  information, 
but without a graphic embosser, the sound that it plays is not  enough 
feedback for the blind student to understand what he just did. So if  they are 
using AGC, para does up the sheet and wikki sticks graph the lines.  If the 
child has some vision, you can enlarge the screen enough to see the  graph of 
the AGC

       Denise  

Denise M. Robinson, TVI, Ph.D. 
Teacher of the Blind & Visually  Impaired
TechVision-Independent Contractor
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 From: "EricGuillory at aol.com"  <EricGuillory at aol.com>
To:  pibe-division at nfbnet.org
Sent: Thursday, October 6, 2011 9:27  AM
Subject: Re:  [Pibe-division] Accessible Graphing Calculator, Duxbury with 
Scientific  N...

Sally,

You and I both! I like and respect Susan O, but, truth-to-tell, she  is the 
only person with whom I have ever spoken who has given the AGC a  positive 
rating. I think that, for the purpose of creating tactile  graphics, it 
comes down to a high-quality reader with an understanding of  mathematics and 
the requisite terminology, tactile graph paper, Wikki  Stix, and other 
low-tech tools. As tech savvy as I am and I know your son  is, that isn't always 
the most feasible solution. 

As for the utilization of Sci Notebook with DBT: I personally have  not 
done so and have gotten mixed reviews from those who have. It is  certainly 
doable, but I think patience and proofreading are in order if  you undertake it.

I look forward to continued discussion on this vital issue.

EG

In a message dated 10/6/2011 11:13:25 A.M. Central Daylight Time,  
seacknit at gmail.com writes:

I am interested in finding an accessible  graphing calculator solution that 
really works.  It has to be  useful even without a Tiger Embosser. Also, 
does anyone use Scientific  notebook with Duxbury to create math problems for 
kids?  How does  it work?  Would you recommend it?

Thanks.

Sally  Thomas

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