[Pibe-division] BANA Article on UEB & Nemeth

Sat Sep 15 20:27:37 UTC 2012

I work with several students who read braille and have developmental
delays.  It is hard enough for them to learn one way of brailling a
symbol and reading it.  I am in support of something that will get rid
of some of the current use of 2 symbols depending on whether it is
literary braille or nemeth.  I have been a braille reader for over 40
years so some of the changes will be hard for me in the beginning but
I will adjust.

On 9/14/12, Steve Jacobson <steve.jacobson at visi.com> wrote:
> You didn't even comment on my point.  This is the problem with the
> discussion surrounding this.  From what I know of this, BANA
> needs to figure out how to combine Nemeth and UEB before they can vote.
> This isn't some sort of government plot but a sensible
> thing to do, figure out what is being voted upon before the vote instead of
> voting on it and then defining it after.  It does not
> indicate that minds are made up.  By all means write if you disagree, that
> makes sense, but also say why you think the vote should
> be delayed?  What is it that will change?  What research should be done?  We
> have people to think that we should be using NUBS
> completely and people who think we should use UEB.  There have been reading
> studies using both codes and the results were
> inconclusive.  I think the approach outlined is a reasonable compromise that
> gives us a platform for future changes while having
> the least impact on those of us who currently read braille.  If you think
> waiting until change is easy, you will wait for a long
> time, and braille will become a less effective tool for modern materials and
> modern devices.  The majority probably would prefer
> no change, but that isn't too practical unless we can force print to stop
> changing and stop publishers from using new approaches.
> This is a difficult issue.
>
> Best regards,
>
> Steve Jacobson
>
> On Fri, 14 Sep 2012 10:59:28 -0700, Hertz, Jana wrote:
>
>>Please write a letter to BANA and ask they to postpone their vote,
>>although since they did NOT release this article as a Press release, I
>>think their minds are made up with total disregard to what the majority
>>of folks want. Remember, they are NOT a government agency and have no
>>legal authority. In addition, please consider expressing  your
>>thoughts/concerns to your state and federal educational agencies.
>
>>Jana Hertz
>>Certified Braille Transcriber/Alternate Media Specialist
>>Program for Visually Impaired Students
>>George White Elementary School P-5
>>25422 Chapparosa Park Drive
>>Laguna Niguel, CA  92677
>>(949) 489-7484
>>Fax (949) 249-6781
>
>>[if mail is returned undeliverable,
>>please resend to JanaBrailles at aol.com]
>
>>-----Original Message-----
>>From: pibe-division-bounces at nfbnet.org
>>[mailto:pibe-division-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Steve Jacobson
>>Sent: Friday, September 14, 2012 10:41 AM
>>To: Professionals in Blindness Education Division List
>>Subject: Re: [Pibe-division] BANA Article on UEB & Nemeth
>
>>Wow, it makes more sense to me to use one system for text rather than
>>use UEB for text and the Nemeth rules that govern text surrounding math.
>>Why should we have to deal with UEB text plus Nemeth rules for text
>>surrounding math?  It is my impression, though, that there is still work
>>being done to figure out where the line should be drawn between the two.
>
>>Best regards,
>
>>Steve Jacobson
>
>>On Fri, 14 Sep 2012 08:40:45 -0700, Hertz, Jana wrote:
>
>>>Good morning,
>
>>>
>
>>>For those who are unaware (and interested), there is an article on the
>>>BANA website dated September 6, 2012, in which they describe how they
>>>plan to incorporate the use of Nemeth within a UEB transcription. This
>>>article reads quite differently than what the Press Release
>>>announcement of a vote in November seemed to indicate with the
>>>statement, "The direction under consideration is the adoption of
>>>Unified English Braille while maintaining the Nemeth Code for technical
>
>>>materials."  I understood that statement to mean that the Nemeth Code
>>>would still be kept for all of the higher math transcription - not that
>
>>>it would be embedded within a UEB transcription.
>
>>>
>
>>>If nothing else, take time to read the SUMMARY OF FINDINGS AND
>>>RECOMMENDATIONS, on the final page.  At the very end, it states, "This
>>>report was accepted by the board of the Braille Authority of North
>>>America on September 10, 2012."
>
>>>
>
>>>
>
>>>Jana Hertz
>
>>>Certified Braille Transcriber/Alternate Media Specialist
>
>>>Program for Visually Impaired Students
>
>>>George White Elementary School P-5
>
>>>25422 Chapparosa Park Drive
>
>>>Laguna Niguel, CA  92677
>
>>>(949) 489-7484
>
>>>Fax (949) 249-6781
>
>>>
>
>>>[if mail is returned undeliverable,
>
>>>please resend to JanaBrailles at aol.com]
>
>>>
>
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