[Pibe-division] Feedback on Nemeth IEP goals

Sun Sep 8 22:12:53 UTC 2013

How can we get a copy of the Maryland Common Core standards?  I'll take them 
in any format even though I am a Jaws user.  Perhaps I can scan them and 
pass them along to others on this list.  Please let me know how I can access 
these standards.
Thanks in advance.

Karen

-----Original Message----- 
From: Marianne Denning
Sent: Sunday, September 08, 2013 5:12 PM
To: Professionals in Blindness Education Division List
Subject: Re: [Pibe-division] Feedback on Nemeth IEP goals

Greg, Maryland has developed braille standards for their state
standards.  I don't know if they use common core or not but I can
email you the document if that might help.  I don't live in Maryland
but I looked at it.  I am blind and had difficulty with the document
because it is not accessible to JAWS.  If there are people from
Maryland on this list please put in additional information.

On 9/8/13, Greg Aikens <gpaikens at gmail.com> wrote:
> Hi Marianne and all,
> Thanks for your thoughts.  Counting up the nemeth symbols she will need is 
> a
> good idea.  Her baseline will be fairly high because of the way they are
> teaching math now using common core, but this does allow me to measure her
> progress toward an annual goal.  She has been introduced to most of the
> major Nemeth symbols that you need before algebra already.
>
> I had a 4th grader last year and I found that most of our instructional 
> time
> was spent exploring spatial layouts for the different common core 
> strategies
> and understanding concepts like writing out the multiple steps to solve a
> problem and show your work.    These items take up such a substantial part
> of my instruction that it seems appropriate to keep track of it with an
> objective if possible.  Does anyone have any thoughts on how I might do
> this?
>
> As to not writing a Nemeth goal at all: Even though she currently has no
> deficits in Nemeth, she will require Nemeth instruction as new concepts 
> and
> symbols arise.  It is my understanding that if I am going to give a 
> student
> service time, best practice would be to have that time attached to a goal 
> or
> objective.
>
> Thanks for your thoughts and suggestions.
>
> Greg Aikens, M. Ed.
> Teacher of students who are blind and visually impaired
> Cobb County School District
> gpaikens at gmail.com
>
>
>
> On Sep 8, 2013, at 10:06 AM, Marianne Denning <marianne at denningweb.com>
> wrote:
>
>> Could you identify the new nemeth symbols she will learn and indicate
>> she will read and braille these symbols with a percentage of accuracy
>> on a number of tries?  I am not sure I would even write a nemeth goal
>> for her since it does not appear to be an issue.  Nemeth is her method
>> of completing math just like all of the math symbols are how sighted
>> children complete math and we don't write goals for sighted children
>> unless they are having specific problems.  Just my personal thoughts.
>>
>> On 9/8/13, Greg Aikens <gpaikens at gmail.com> wrote:
>>> Hello colleagues,
>>> I'm looking for input on how others write IEP goals for nemeth in
>>> elementary
>>> grades, or even for older students.  What I currently do is write a
>>> generic
>>> goal to improve Nemeth skills and then write specific objectives
>>> defining
>>> what I will measure etc.  I choose these objectives by selecting a
>>> handful
>>> of math skills covered in that grade.  For example, 1st grade common
>>> core
>>> standards include writing from 1-100 and so I would write a Nemeth
>>> objective
>>> for the same.  However, I generally only select topics that will be
>>> Nemeth
>>> code intensive, such as working problems in vertical format.  Because I
>>> am
>>> not a math specialist though, this feels arbitrary to me and inevitably,
>>> some of my objectives are only addressed during one quarter of the year.
>>>
>>> The above method works for many of my students who have demonstrated
>>> deficits and needs in particular parts of Nemeth instruction.  However, 
>>> I
>>> am
>>> working on an IEP for a student who has excelled with every
>>> Nemeth/abacus/math related concept I have introduced in braille.  My
>>> only
>>> specific goal for her this next year is to master the Nemeth concepts
>>> necessary to complete the 4th grade math curriculum, but I'm having a
>>> hard
>>> time putting that in a measurable form.
>>>
>>> Any advice or input would be appreciated.
>>>
>>> Thanks,
>>>
>>> Greg Aikens, M. Ed.
>>> Teacher of students who are blind and visually impaired
>>> Cobb County School District
>>> gpaikens at gmail.com
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
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>>
>> --
>> Marianne Denning, TVI, MA
>> Teacher of students who are blind or visually impaired
>> (513) 607-6053
>>
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Marianne Denning, TVI, MA
Teacher of students who are blind or visually impaired
(513) 607-6053

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