[Pibe-division] borrowing in subtraction problems with Nemeth code

[Marianne Denning]

In theory, you don't teach math but you teach the student the skills needed
to learn math. TVIs know we all step in and help teach concepts when a
student is struggling. At least, that is what happens with me. I think you
would need to know what borrowing is and when you would need to borrow.
What do other TVIs think? I think the expectations of a TVI are a bit over
the top.

On Tue, Apr 11, 2017 at 2:01 PM, Ericka via PIBE-Division <
pibe-division at nfbnet.org> wrote:

> What if you're a visually impaired person who's interested in going into
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> On Apr 11, 2017, at 8:27 AM, Eric Guillory via PIBE-Division <
> pibe-division at nfbnet.org> wrote:
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> I agree regarding the teaching of cancellation/regrouping indicators. They
> need to know how to read the same, but not necessarily use them. For
> students who have difficulty keeping numbers in their heads, one strategy
> that works for some is to use a manipulative (e.g., marble, small plastic
> block) as a reminder. It can be kept near them when engaging in
> addition/subtraction, and generally, students using this method do so less
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> *From:* PIBE-Division [mailto:pibe-division-bounces at nfbnet.org
> <pibe-division-bounces at nfbnet.org>] *On Behalf Of *Krystal Guillory via
> PIBE-Division
> *Sent:* Tuesday, April 11, 2017 6:56 AM
> *To:* Professionals in Blindness Education Division List
> *Cc:* Krystal Guillory
> *Subject:* Re: [Pibe-division] borrowing in subtraction problems with
> Nemeth code
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> Marianne,
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> We do not use cancellation marks unless a student cannot keep the
> information in their head.
>
> Thanks,
>
> Krystal
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> On Apr 10, 2017, at 10:20 PM, Marianne Denning via PIBE-Division <
> pibe-division at nfbnet.org> wrote:
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> Yes, it is what I am asking. If the problem is 242 - 163 would you have
> them use the cancellation marks around the numbers that need to be changed?
> It just seems like so much work. I have been blind all of my life but did
> not learn or use Nemeth code in school.
>
>
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> On Mon, Apr 10, 2017 at 10:56 PM, Greg Aikens via PIBE-Division <
> pibe-division at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>
> Hi Marianne,
> I typically only showed my students proper Nemeth code for borrowing so
> they could understand what is in the textbook. I never had them “cross out”
> anything using the proper Nemeth symbols when writing their problems. Is
> this what you are asking or am I missing the mark?
>
>
> > On Apr 10, 2017, at 10:24 PM, Marianne Denning via PIBE-Division <
> pibe-division at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> >
> > Okay, I hate teaching borrowing using proper Nemeth code. It is so
> complicated. I know the abacus is the best way to accomplish this but what
> would you suggest in teaching subtraction when borrowing is involved?
> >
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> > Marianne Denning, TVI, MA
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Marianne Denning, TVI, MA
Teacher of students who are blind or visually impaired
(513) 607-6053
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