[Quietcars] Quieter trains a risk to walkers, USA Today, 04/05/10

Wed Jul 21 23:46:30 UTC 2010

Replying more to Dewey's and your point, many people wish to not be
disturbed, with quieter pipes on motorcycles supposedly ruining their quiet
little town images, and cruise nights with older cars and loud exhausts
causing issues on Friday and Saturday nights.  

But, to the point of this quiet being disturbed and disquieting residents of
sleepy communities, if a bell or horn were not sounded and a resident's
child were stuck or a loved one was hit because a signal was shut down,
probably, a law suit would be filed by those who placed the very legislation
in for discussion at a town council meeting, and therein lies the problem.

When I read that a town in Colorado was ordered to supposedly shut down the
audible traffic signals by, I believe it was the NFB, because of some
mobility issue, I was greatly disturbed.  And, I'm thinking out loud here,
that there was an incident where someone from that town was either killed or
injured because of this or in some way related to this, then you see where
this could end up.  

Please take this discussion of explanation off list, as I would like to be
correct on what the facts are regarding this situation in Colorado.  Thanks.
But, that clearly illustrates my point.  Whether the audible signal is used
as a mobility aid or not, some folks find them annoying and their sounds
obtrusive in others lives.  And, my thoughts are, if they aid one person in
making a safe crossing, they're worth the money that they cost in being
erected.  If they are an artificial aid to crossing matters not to me.  In
certain circumstances, they mean being able to safely cross and not.  And,
having lived in a city in Florida where I had to cross ten to twelve lanes
on a major highway, the safety factor was a good enough reason for me to
have one, noise or not.  

-----Original Message-----
From: quietcars-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:quietcars-bounces at nfbnet.org] On
Behalf Of michael townsend
Sent: Wednesday, July 21, 2010 7:31 PM
To: 'Discussion of new quiet cars and pedestrian safety'
Subject: Re: [Quietcars] Quieter trains a risk to walkers, USA Today,
04/05/10

How is this troublesome?  Is it because some of the blame for quiet car
responsibility is pushed to the pedestrian, or that the higher stats of
teenaged accidents or deaths, whether they be caused by wearing music
devices or suicide, may blemish some of the great work that the ACB and NFB
have been doing regarding such legislation?  I think not, Deb, as our work
should have nothing to do with this train reporting, except that it points
out that people don't tend to pay as much attention as they ought to or that
they aren't as familiar with pedestrian rules of the road as they pertain to
the quieter vehicles, be they bus, train, car or truck.  

I think that this is exactly the kind of piece we need to alert those who
travel in towns and cities where subways are readily available, and that
quieter buses and trucks in towns with green intentions abound, and in
places which are becoming more and more familiar in which hybrids are part
of the landscape.  

I think that, coupled with this quieter environment, we are jostled about by
persons who aren't paying attention to their daily travels as well, because
they're too busy texting, talking on the phones, using GPS devices, etc., or
just chatting away.  It would be incumbent upon us to not fall into those
bad habits so that we can't be accused of the same.  Working a guide, while
on the cellular phone, and listening to a GPS device may be doable, but at a
great risk.  And, I would imagine that utilizing a cane under these
circumstances might be even more involved.  

We had a comment about "hillbillies" liking their trucks and cars loud, last
week during the convention season.  Now, it's time that we awaken ourselves
with articles such as this to remind ourselves that we need to get back to
tracking the business at hand now that the convention season is pretty well
put to bed, at least on a national level; and that we have to work
tirelessly to import our ideas to the state and local levels of our
particular blindness organizations, be they guide dog schools, mobility
training counselors, or state agencies from which we receive help.  , in
order to make this quieter car or, more importantly, quieter vehicle issue a
part of the everyday discussion.  

-----Original Message-----
From: quietcars-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:quietcars-bounces at nfbnet.org] On
Behalf Of Deborah Kent Stein
Sent: Wednesday, July 21, 2010 3:46 PM
To: Discussion of new quiet cars and pedestrian safety
Subject: Re: [Quietcars] Quieter trains a risk to walkers, USA Today,
04/05/10

Very troubling.  Do we want to link this to our site?  It takes our concerns
in a new direction, but it's certainly related to the work we've been doing.

Debbie

----- Original Message -----
From: "Nightingale, Noel" <Noel.Nightingale at ed.gov>
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Sent: Wednesday, July 21, 2010 10:30 AM
Subject: [Quietcars] Quieter trains a risk to walkers, USA Today, 04/05/10

>
> Quieter trains a risk to walkers
>
> By Larry Copeland
>
> Pedestrian deaths remain steady even as fatalities from train-vehicle 
> crashes decline
>
> Anna Marie Stickel, 14, missed the school bus that morning. So she 
> took a shortcut along some railroad tracks that made her trek to 
> school about 10 minutes; going the long, safe way around would have 
> taken 30-40 minutes, her
>
> mother says.
>
> Listening to her iPod as she and a friend walked along the tracks in 
> January, Anna Marie of Middle River, Md., was hit and killed by an 
> Amtrak train.
>
> Anna Marie's friend, who was not listening to music, heard the train 
> just in
>
> time to jump to safety, says Anna Marie's mother, Tara Stickel, 38. 
> They are
>
> deadly quiet," she says of today's trains and tracks. My baby girl had 
> no idea. I know for a fact she hadn't been told how dangerous they 
> are. And I am just as much to blame for that. I never saw those tracks as
a threat.
>
> Rail-safety advocates and federal authorities are trying to determine 
> how to
>
> reduce fatalities involving trains and pedestrians, which far outstrip 
> deaths in train-vehicle collisions.
>
> Over the past 10 years, the number of deaths involving trains and 
> motor vehicles has dropped 42% to 248. In the same period, deaths 
> involving pedestrians have fallen  6% to 434, the Federal Railroad 
> Administration says. That's (incidents with pedestrians) the No. 1 
> cause of death in the railroad industry," FRA spokesman Rob Kulat says.
>
> Rail-safety advocates are especially concerned about teenagers killed 
> accidentally by trains in hangout spots on or near the tracks. We are 
> working so hard to try to figure out a way to turn this around," says 
> Marmie
>
> Edwards of Operation Lifesaver, an international rail-safety advocacy 
> group.
>
> It may be that in some parts of the country, the railroad tracks are a 
> little bit secluded," Edwards says. So (teens) think it's a place 
> where they
>
> can go to just hang out without other people knowing what they're doing.
> Sometimes, when you tell this age group this is not where you should 
> go, that's where they're going to want to go
>
> A quiet danger
>
> Trains are a lot quieter than they used to be.
>
> Rails are built in longer, continuous sections of track, so the 
> familiar "clackety-clack" of wheels on the track is gone in many 
> places. The trains themselves are quieter. Communities across the USA 
> have enacted "quiet zones," where operators are barred from sounding 
> their horns during certain times of day.
>
> That quiet is one reason the number of pedestrians killed by trains 
> has remained steady. Another reason: Many people wear headphones or 
> talk on cellphones while ambling along railroad tracks.
>
> When you have train tracks this near high schools or middle schools 
> and students use it as a shortcut, you really need to educate children 
> on what's
>
> going on," says Rep. C.A. Dutch Ruppersberger, D-Md., who helped set 
> up train-safety assemblies at Anna Marie's high school.
>
> People take shortcuts across the tracks. Hunters walk along them. 
> People ride all-terrain vehicles on them and sit on them to fish.
>
> Many people simply fail to understand how dangerous trains are, says 
> Richard
>
> Ratcliffe, executive director of Maryland Operation Lifesaver, which 
> puts on
>
> safety lessons for students and others.
>
> We tell them the train overhangs on each side by at least 3 feet, and 
> they can overhang by as much as 12," Ratcliffe says. We tell them they 
> don't build trains like they did, and they're a lot quieter. We 
> explain why walking or walking the dog or hanging out on tracks is so 
> dangerous and why it's against the law.
>
> Looking at suicides
>
> It's unclear how many of the deaths are intentional. Kulat says the 
> FRA does
>
> not track suicides but estimates that 20% to 50% of train-pedestrian 
> deaths involve people taking their own lives. Railroads reporting a 
> death soon will
>
> have to indicate whether it was a suicide.
>
> Of 33,000 annual suicides in the USA, 1%-2% occur on railroads. 
> Suicide by rail is "highly lethal, and it's accessible," says Matthew 
> Wintersteen, clinical psychologist at Philadelphia's Thomas Jefferson 
> University and a member of the Pennsylvania Youth Suicide Prevention 
> Initiative. If we can restrict access to lethal means, we can reduce 
> the number of suicides. The problem, of course, is ... can we restrict 
> public access to the train tracks?
>
> Among recent intentional teen deaths:
>
> *Two girls in Delaware killed themselves in February by stepping in 
> front of
>
> a high-speed Amtrak train. The girls had made a suicide pact, 
> according to police.
>
> *A high school freshman in Pleasanton, Calif., stepped in front of a 
> Union Pacific train near her school in February.
>
> Kulat says a freight train going 60 mph takes about a mile to stop 
> after the
>
> emergency brake is applied. You can't stop. You can't turn, obviously. 
> You just have to watch it happen. ... There's the trauma that train 
> engineers go
>
> through (after hitting someone). They go through post-traumatic stress 
> counseling. The one thing they talk about is that they see the 
> people's eyes
>
> right before they hit them. A lot of those engineers don't return to work.
>
>
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