[rehab] FW: RSA Rules

Wed Jan 11 04:41:27 UTC 2012

Dick,

Gotcha! No, I didn't think it was the norm for agencies. It is at ours, 
but they are not the norm at all!

Actually, I've learned so much from this list because I joined a few 
years back to find out what the norm is and then to learn from rehab 
professionals like all of you here about how you do things for your 
consumers and all to make good decisions and do your best to help them 
achieve good outcomes.

And I've been doing some study of those working systems like Nebraska 
and others, as well as the NFB Centers... I'm a geek, so I would be 
really, really bad at the jobs y'all do, but it is a fascinating 
subject. /smile/ Also, very important, what?

Thanks again!

Tami

On 01/10/2012 08:32 AM, Dick Davis wrote:
> Hi,
> Taking a look at what I just wrote, I don't want to give the impression
> that such behavior is the norm with rehab agencies.   It isn't.  In all my
> years in rehab, I have never heard such a reason for not sending things in
> writing. You may be right on the incompetence part, especially if the
> counselor is brand new.
> Dick Davis
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Dick Davis [mailto:ddavis at blindinc.org]
> Sent: Tuesday, January 10, 2012 10:26 AM
> To: Rehabilitation Counselor Mailing List
> Subject: RE: [rehab] RSA Rules
>
> Hi,
> States, and sometimes individual supervisors and counselors, have been
> known to make up rules and blame them on the feds.  The feds don't like
> that.  In fact, rehabilitation law and regulations say that information
> has to be provided to consumers in their medium of choice, which can be
> e-mail.  If e-mail confidentiality is an issue, states often have secure
> mail systems that can be used.  Two advantages of face to face meetings
> from the counselor's standpoint are: 1) it is easier to intimidate someone
> in person rather than via e-mail, and 2) there is no record of the
> conversation except the one the counselor puts in the casefile.  So it may
> be a control issue.  If that is the case, always take someone with you to
> be a witness to the conversation.  If the counselor and/or agency continue
> to say that the rule is required by the feds, tell your state NFB
> president.  You can also call RSA in Washington DC; if you do so, ask to
> talk to your state rep.
> Dick Davis
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: rehab-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:rehab-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf
> Of RJ Sandefur
> Sent: Tuesday, January 10, 2012 9:31 AM
> To: Rehabilitation Counselor Mailing List
> Subject: Re: [rehab] RSA Rules
>
> Sounds like this councilor is incompetent! RJ
> ----- Original Message -----
> From:<Jane.Lansaw at dars.state.tx.us>
> To:<rehab at nfbnet.org>
> Sent: Tuesday, January 10, 2012 10:14 AM
> Subject: Re: [rehab] RSA Rules
>
>
>> Shhhhh, don't tell him/her/it.
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: rehab-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:rehab-bounces at nfbnet.org] On
> Behalf
>> Of RJ Sandefur
>> Sent: Tuesday, January 10, 2012 9:01 AM
>> To: Rehabilitation Counselor Mailing List
>> Subject: Re: [rehab] RSA Rules
>>
>> Well then my councilor is in violation of the rules then! RJ
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From:<Jane.Lansaw at dars.state.tx.us>
>> To:<rehab at nfbnet.org>
>> Sent: Tuesday, January 10, 2012 9:52 AM
>> Subject: Re: [rehab] RSA Rules
>>
>>
>>> Good point.
>>>
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: rehab-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:rehab-bounces at nfbnet.org] On
>>> Behalf Of Jan Bailey
>>> Sent: Tuesday, January 10, 2012 5:12 AM
>>> To: Rehabilitation Counselor Mailing List
>>> Subject: Re: [rehab] RSA Rules
>>>
>>> Tell her you want to see the rule in writing.  I'll bet she can't
> produce
>>> it.
>>> Jan
>>>
>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>> From: "Gabe Vega"<theblindtech at gmail.com>
>>> To: "Rehabilitation Counselor Mailing List"<rehab at nfbnet.org>
>>> Sent: Tuesday, January 10, 2012 5:03 AM
>>> Subject: Re: [rehab] RSA Rules
>>>
>>>
>>>> unless they changed very recently, I find this hard to believe.
>>>> Gabe Vega - Sent from my Apple Mac Mini Hit me up Voice/Text: (623)
>>>> 565-9357
>>>> Email: theblindtech at gmail.com
>>>> Twitter: http://twitter.com/blindtech
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>>>>
>>>> On Jan 9, 2012, at 7:25 PM, Tami Kinney wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Hey, everyone!
>>>>>
>>>>> I just talked to the new VRC for my area in Oregon. She told me
>>>>> that RSA rules say that communications between VRC and consumer
>>>>> must occur face-to-face and cannot be done at all over e-mail. I
>>>>> can see why an initial meeting would be best done one-on-one;
>>>>> however, I prefer all communications occur via e-mail because that
>>>>> gives me a clear record
> of
>>>>> everything, date and time stamped, with all that other lovely
>>>>> header information. Also, honestly, e-mail communications are so
>>>>> much more efficient for everyone! Easier on the state budget, too,
> and all.
>>>>>
>>>>> Is what the VRC told me about RSA rules requiring that all meetings
>>>>> with consumers be conducted one-on-one in person and that e-mail or
>>>>> other forms of written communication are not allowed?
>>>>>
>>>>> If so, how long has that been the case?
>>>>>
>>>>> Assuming that the majority of you are Braille Monitor readers,
> perhaps
>>>>> the mention that I am in Oregon will reveal why I don't believe a
> word
>>>>> anyone from that agency says unless I find out from at least three
>>>>> other sources. Or even one, since I usually can't find even that
>>>>> many.
>>>>> Sheesh!
>>>>>
>>>>> Thanks!
>>>>>
>>>>> Tami
>>>>>
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