[rehab] Requirements for IPE WAS RSA Rules

Fri Jan 13 02:22:54 UTC 2012

Jan,

I think that one is under the Oregon Administrative Rules... I need to 
review them all again, since it's been awhile. I suddenly can't remember 
the exact wording of the one I've heard referred to in that  context so 
many times from so many sources here...

It seems there is something to the effect that if an item is under $1500 
and you need it for work, your VRC just has to sign off on it and order 
it. Whether that is true or not, is something I will have to find out.

Well, I need to review the entire section of the OARS again and refresh 
my memory and parse out every word of the ones that apply to what I am 
requesting and why. Again. I did all that the first time in 1999, BTW, 
before I ever contacted them after I was diagnosed as having crossed 
that legally blind boundary... That was mostly so that I could phrase my 
first request according to what the agency is expected to do and how the 
VR system works so that I could have my next few years through end stage 
RP planned out and get what I needed to keep working and stay off of 
SSD... Which is sort of the point, isn't it?

Anyway, thanks for the heads up on that one! I need to have my ducks in 
a nice, neat row before the meeting, every feather in place exactly, 
with my recording equipment set up and all. So I'm grumpy. This costs me 
time and print cartridges and paper so I can pull out the necessary 
rules and laws for her to read to me. /lol/

I'm waiting to see if she, based on my request to have my case reopened 
and to get going on the accurate and competent assessment they should 
have done 13 years ago, will bring me a big pile of print catalogs and a 
slate and stylus. /lol/ They do this when an Oregonian wakes up totally 
blind and gets hold of them, too. Then they tell the person why they 
can't provide services because the new blind consumer asks questions. 
Like how to order things out of a print catalog or how to use the slate 
and stylus they've never even heard of before... And so on. Those are 
standard VR services in Oregon. That's them doing their job, helping the 
blind. I am not making that up. Oh, they do inform you that you are 
welcome to order anything you want out of the catalog. Anything at all! 
Isn't that nice?

Since it looks to me that this has not changed, nor have other patterns 
and trends I'm tired of paying taxes to support, while I and a few 
others do what we can to clean up their mess in people's lives, wishing 
those people weren't afraid (yes, literally, afraid!) to tell their 
stories publicly), I might as well add a new chapter to my own story. 
Because I'm not afraid at all. What are they going to do? Refuse to 
provide me services? Sheesh!

Tami

On 01/10/2012 10:45 PM, Jan Bailey wrote:
> I've never head of a spending value for an IPE. If you spend any money
> you need an IPE, because you're providing a service. Where do these
> people get their rules?
>
> Jan
>
> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Tami Kinney" <tamara.8024 at comcast.net>
> To: "Rehabilitation Counselor Mailing List" <rehab at nfbnet.org>
> Sent: Tuesday, January 10, 2012 9:38 PM
> Subject: Re: [rehab] RSA Rules
>
>
>> RJ,
>>
>> Bingo! You got it! Only in this state, it's not the counselors, or not
>> just them. It's the whole shebang. I'm trying again because I keep
>> hearing all this talk about accountability and responsibility from the
>> Board...
>>
>> Yet they have demonstrated so far that they have not taken the one key
>> step they should have taken years ago... And probably the funding for
>> the agency is doomed because of it. Sigh.
>>
>> Still, according to the "I'll believe it when I see it" rule, one must
>> arrange to be able to see it to determine whether or not to believe it...
>>
>> Also, I have all these really advanced skills that are highly
>> marketable, and the market is picking up in my field... Especially for
>> a contractor/consultant or telecommuter... Only the equipment package,
>> which my employer was prepared to buy so I could continue working for
>> them and advancing as I was, is a tad on the spendy side. Since the
>> agency declared me unemployable before even getting around to what
>> they called a formal assessment, instead of getting out to my work
>> site to finish up some details with my employer who was prepared to
>> purchase as soon as that was taken care of... I now need to have the
>> toolkit here at home to start picking up work in my field at anywhere
>> close to my skill level. And income level... Last gig I did here paid
>> $100/hour, using the low end of my skills; only I needed JAWS 10 (that
>> long ago!) to continue with the project... So I ended up having to bow
>> out. Which says it all, because under those circumstances, there is no
>> IPE required, since the license for JAWS professional is under the
>> spending limit.
>>
>> So... I'm not very patient with them. Given the cost of the tools I
>> need, which their people have already agreed I need for my work, and
>> the value of the skills I can use to earn money in the returning
>> market for those skills...
>>
>> I might as well give it a shot and see what happens.
>>
>> Also, I do my regular market research update and all this time of year
>> anyway, whether I need to or not, so doing my regular prep for this
>> won't take any time I would be spending anyway. /lol/ Not much
>> changes, but I do like to keep track. It is always instructive, also,
>> to observe the reaction of a VRC from the agency to a consumer who
>> arrives at the meeting with her homework done and in a nice, neat,
>> well-organized information packet as if it were some sort of
>> professional project or something... Then when I remind them of this
>> or that rule which I have memorized, or pick out that part of the
>> packet by feel of where I put the stapel or clip...
>>
>> That's another reason I like to record these meetings. Peole prefer to
>> think I must be misunderstanding something or being oversensitive when
>> I describe the response as "hostile.
>>
>> On 01/10/2012 07:31 AM, RJ Sandefur wrote:
>>> Sounds like this councilor is incompetent! RJ
>>> ----- Original Message ----- From: <Jane.Lansaw at dars.state.tx.us>
>>> To: <rehab at nfbnet.org>
>>> Sent: Tuesday, January 10, 2012 10:14 AM
>>> Subject: Re: [rehab] RSA Rules
>>>
>>>
>>>> Shhhhh, don't tell him/her/it.
>>>>
>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>> From: rehab-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:rehab-bounces at nfbnet.org] On
>>>> Behalf Of RJ Sandefur
>>>> Sent: Tuesday, January 10, 2012 9:01 AM
>>>> To: Rehabilitation Counselor Mailing List
>>>> Subject: Re: [rehab] RSA Rules
>>>>
>>>> Well then my councilor is in violation of the rules then! RJ
>>>> ----- Original Message ----- From: <Jane.Lansaw at dars.state.tx.us>
>>>> To: <rehab at nfbnet.org>
>>>> Sent: Tuesday, January 10, 2012 9:52 AM
>>>> Subject: Re: [rehab] RSA Rules
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>> Good point.
>>>>>
>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>> From: rehab-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:rehab-bounces at nfbnet.org] On
>>>>> Behalf
>>>>> Of Jan Bailey
>>>>> Sent: Tuesday, January 10, 2012 5:12 AM
>>>>> To: Rehabilitation Counselor Mailing List
>>>>> Subject: Re: [rehab] RSA Rules
>>>>>
>>>>> Tell her you want to see the rule in writing. I'll bet she can't
>>>>> produce
>>>>> it.
>>>>> Jan
>>>>>
>>>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>>>> From: "Gabe Vega" <theblindtech at gmail.com>
>>>>> To: "Rehabilitation Counselor Mailing List" <rehab at nfbnet.org>
>>>>> Sent: Tuesday, January 10, 2012 5:03 AM
>>>>> Subject: Re: [rehab] RSA Rules
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>> unless they changed very recently, I find this hard to believe.
>>>>>> Gabe Vega - Sent from my Apple Mac Mini
>>>>>> Hit me up Voice/Text: (623) 565-9357
>>>>>> Email: theblindtech at gmail.com
>>>>>> Twitter: http://twitter.com/blindtech
>>>>>> FaceBook: http://facebook.com/blindtech
>>>>>> Website: http://thebt.net
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On Jan 9, 2012, at 7:25 PM, Tami Kinney wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Hey, everyone!
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I just talked to the new VRC for my area in Oregon. She told me
>>>>>>> that RSA
>>>>>>> rules say that communications between VRC and consumer must occur
>>>>>>> face-to-face and cannot be done at all over e-mail. I can see why an
>>>>>>> initial meeting would be best done one-on-one; however, I prefer all
>>>>>>> communications occur via e-mail because that gives me a clear
>>>>>>> record of
>>>>>>> everything, date and time stamped, with all that other lovely header
>>>>>>> information. Also, honestly, e-mail communications are so much more
>>>>>>> efficient for everyone! Easier on the state budget, too, and all.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Is what the VRC told me about RSA rules requiring that all meetings
>>>>>>> with
>>>>>>> consumers be conducted one-on-one in person and that e-mail or other
>>>>>>> forms of written communication are not allowed?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> If so, how long has that been the case?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Assuming that the majority of you are Braille Monitor readers,
>>>>>>> perhaps
>>>>>>> the mention that I am in Oregon will reveal why I don't believe a
>>>>>>> word
>>>>>>> anyone from that agency says unless I find out from at least three
>>>>>>> other
>>>>>>> sources. Or even one, since I usually can't find even that many.
>>>>>>> Sheesh!
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Thanks!
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Tami
>>>>>>>
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