[Small-Appliance-Cooking] Resolution or accessible appliances

[Sabra Ewing]

I never said that we should not mention a device on list. You are just making up your own things here. :-) If other people want to use the Insta pot and talk about it, that is great. I wish I could use the Insta pot as well, but ethically, I am not sure if I can. Also, it is very expensive and I do not want to pay that much for a device that is not fully accessible when I live on a fixed income. If other people wanted though, that is fine. I use a microwave that is not fully accessible because I cannot afford a fully accessible one and that bothers me a lot. Also, people can still use these devices while participating in a resolution making process to make them more accessible. At my apartment, my stove, oven, and thermostat I'm not fully accessible. They are labeled with dots now, but there is no way to make them fully accessible. My oven for example is a knob and it would be impossible to label every 25°. I never said that we should avoid mentioning or using certain devices. I have a friend with an Insta pot, but they are really expensive. Many people have talked about how they got some of these appliances and can only partially used them and I don't want to do that. And the problem is getting worse that blind people are getting left out of more and more appliances. The thermostat in my apartment is all touchscreen, but luckily, it has a remote that you can point at it. I have to use the remote and I can only do limited things on it. It has all sorts of functions like a timer and energy saver and all sorts of things that I can't use. I feel very hurt by getting left out of all of these appliances because it is another way that society is showing me that I am not welcome. And I feel that we should be able to talk about the accessibility of small appliances or lack there of, and our feelings about it. You seem to be putting up defense mechanisms to what I am saying for some reason, but hopefully you can go through your own psychological process and finally understand it.

Sabra Ewing

> On Apr 11, 2018, at 8:57 PM, laotab ~ via Small-Appliance-Cooking <small-appliance-cooking at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> 
> I would not want a specific device not to be mentioned on this list due to the moral injustice one may feel.  If it helps me in the kitchen, then I want to know about it.  make another list for offensive statements in the manuals for devices and the disabled.
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Small-Appliance-Cooking <small-appliance-cooking-bounces at nfbnet.org> On Behalf Of David Andrews via Small-Appliance-Cooking
> Sent: Wednesday, April 11, 2018 8:06 PM
> To: Cooking with Small Appliances <small-appliance-cooking at nfbnet.org>
> Cc: David Andrews <dandrews at visi.com>
> Subject: Re: [Small-Appliance-Cooking] Resolution or accessible appliances
> 
> I understand, and live your frustration, but while I am not a lawyer, I don't think there is a legal hook to hang your hat on, in this arena.  That doesn't mean that we shouldn't do a resolution -- but to who. The Consumer Technology Association is starting to pay a little attention to accessibility -- but still has a long way to go. There may be appliance groups -- I don't know.
> 
> Dave
> 
> At 06:58 PM 4/11/2018, you wrote:
>> I understand that this list is sponsored by the crafters division. I 
>> believe that we need a resolution to address the large number of an 
>> accessible appliances that are excluding blind people. If an 
>> accessible websites the violate the ADA, some of these appliance 
>> manufacturers should be taken to task as well. They are going above 
>> and beyond to exclude blind people by creating an accessible touch 
>> screens that are impossible to label because the menus change. I was 
>> trying to get a new coffee maker, and it was very hard to find one 
>> with buttons. Smart appliances are also great, but blind people 
>> should not be forced to use them to make up for lack of 
>> accessibility. We are paying customers and we deserve to be able to 
>> buy appliances that we can use. We do not deserve to get shut out of 
>> all of these new appliances, and we do not deserve companies that go 
>> so far as to put in their instructions manual that we should not use 
>> their products. This is wrong because it is discriminatory, and if a 
>> blind person is using a product, and that product actually is 
>> defective, unsafe, or has a problem, the company can try to get out 
>> of it by saying that a blind person should not have been using it in 
>> the first place according to their manual. I do not know how to 
>> write a resolution or I would do it. I don't even know what 
>> resolution would help. And we will also have to frame the resolution 
>> in such a way that other blind people won't take away focus from it 
>> by saying that we are entitled for wanting access to smart 
>> appliances like they did with the Apple resolution. What do you all think?
>> 
>> Sabra Ewing
> 
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