[Small-Appliance-Cooking] Resolution or accessible appliances

[Gerald Levy]

Part of the problem is that some blind consumers insist on buying 
inaccessible products just so that they can impress their friends.  Why do 
they nneed an expensive, inaccessible Keurig coffee maker when a much 
cheaper, single-serve conventional drip coffee maker works just as well, if 
not better and is completely accessible?

Gerald



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Sent: Thursday, April 12, 2018 8:40 AM
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I pretty much agree. I think it is unrealistic to expect manufacturers to
consider accessibility. It is our job as consumers to find a way to use
specific devices. I use a pressure cooker that has raised circle pressure
pads, an electric frying pan that has applied high markings, a microwave
that I saught out with buttons, and so on. The manufacturer doesn't, in my
opinion, owe us accessibility. On the other hand, it is great when I find
something that can be adapted or is by some quirk already accessible. When
something like a microwave is made accessible by talking for instance, it
costs twice what other people pay for a small appliance with the same
features. I would rather see how I can make an appliance usable through
creativity and asking for suggestions from people that have already worked
it out. By the way, isn't that the main purpose of this list?


Bernice and the adorable LoLO.
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I would not want a specific device not to be mentioned on this list due to
the moral injustice one may feel.  If it helps me in the kitchen, then I
want to know about it.  make another list for offensive statements in the
manuals for devices and the disabled.

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Subject: Re: [Small-Appliance-Cooking] Resolution or accessible appliances

I understand, and live your frustration, but while I am not a lawyer, I
don't think there is a legal hook to hang your hat on, in this arena.  That
doesn't mean that we shouldn't do a resolution -- but to who. The Consumer
Technology Association is starting to pay a little attention to
accessibility -- but still has a long way to go. There may be appliance
groups -- I don't know.

Dave

At 06:58 PM 4/11/2018, you wrote:
>I understand that this list is sponsored by the crafters division. I
>believe that we need a resolution to address the large number of an
>accessible appliances that are excluding blind people. If an
>accessible websites the violate the ADA, some of these appliance
>manufacturers should be taken to task as well. They are going above
>and beyond to exclude blind people by creating an accessible touch
>screens that are impossible to label because the menus change. I was
>trying to get a new coffee maker, and it was very hard to find one
>with buttons. Smart appliances are also great, but blind people
>should not be forced to use them to make up for lack of
>accessibility. We are paying customers and we deserve to be able to
>buy appliances that we can use. We do not deserve to get shut out of
>all of these new appliances, and we do not deserve companies that go
>so far as to put in their instructions manual that we should not use
>their products. This is wrong because it is discriminatory, and if a
>blind person is using a product, and that product actually is
>defective, unsafe, or has a problem, the company can try to get out
>of it by saying that a blind person should not have been using it in
>the first place according to their manual. I do not know how to
>write a resolution or I would do it. I don't even know what
>resolution would help. And we will also have to frame the resolution
>in such a way that other blind people won't take away focus from it
>by saying that we are entitled for wanting access to smart
>appliances like they did with the Apple resolution. What do you all think?
>
>Sabra Ewing


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