[Small-Appliance-Cooking] Resolution or accessible appliances

Thu Apr 12 16:02:50 UTC 2018

I know this is a list for discussing small appliances and so forth.  It is also a list of the National Federation of the Blind that believes in accessibility for all.  Yes, things won't change unless we come together to make it happen.

Charlene

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From: Small-Appliance-Cooking [mailto:small-appliance-cooking-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Brooke Evans via Small-Appliance-Cooking
Sent: Thursday, April 12, 2018 11:56 AM
To: Cooking with Small Appliances <small-appliance-cooking at nfbnet.org>
Cc: Brooke Evans <brooke6358 at aol.com>
Subject: Re: [Small-Appliance-Cooking] Resolution or accessible appliances

Ouch Gerald. I very well know it has not ever been  any administration, ever, that has been anti-disabled whatever.

 Any change  has been brought about by   the consumer who has vigorously advocated for technology to meet consumer   needs.

Myself being an Usher 2a, (Blind hard of hearing),  consumer ,technology has yet to Master a set of appliances,big or small, which would give  me greater functionality , and certainly greater  independence as a homemaker.

Conversations in the lift is a powerhouse of education, advocacy, bringing  two each   something we can use.   Mmmmmm do I smell pot roast cooking?

Thank you for this list.
Keep it going.

Brooke

No one is a mind reader hence the purpose for presenting ideas wit  for solutions

On Apr 12, 2018, at 10:44 AM, Gerald Levy via Small-Appliance-Cooking <small-appliance-cooking at nfbnet.org> wrote:

Don't expect appliance accessibility to improve anytime soon.  Appliance manufacturers will have to voluntarily improve the accessibility of their products because the federal government under the current administration has adopted a pro-business, anti-consumer posture and is unlikely to force appliance manufacturers to make changes to their products that would negatively affect their bottom lines.

Gerald

-----Original Message----- From: Jessica Hodges via Small-Appliance-Cooking
Sent: Thursday, April 12, 2018 8:52 AM
To: Lighthouse via Small-Appliance-Cooking
Cc: Jessica Hodges
Subject: Re: [Small-Appliance-Cooking] Resolution or accessible appliances

Technology is changing every day. touch screens are a huge thing right now everywhere, not just in a appliances. We are, whether we like it or not, a minority. Should we advocate for the accessibility of things?
Absolutely! But it is not an active, intentional shut out on the part of companies. nobody can cater to everyone, and there are ways to make a lot of things work. That doesn't mean that we should stay silent, but nor, I think, would a resolution be helpful. Hope this makes some semblance of sense.

Jessica.

> On 4/12/2018 7:40 AM, Lighthouse via Small-Appliance-Cooking wrote:
> I pretty much agree. I think it is unrealistic to expect manufacturers
> to consider accessibility. It is our job as consumers to find a way to
> use specific devices. I use a pressure cooker that has raised circle
> pressure pads, an electric frying pan that has applied high markings,
> a microwave that I saught out with buttons, and so on. The
> manufacturer doesn't, in my opinion, owe us accessibility. On the
> other hand, it is great when I find something that can be adapted or
> is by some quirk already accessible. When something like a microwave
> is made accessible by talking for instance, it costs twice what other
> people pay for a small appliance with the same features. I would
> rather see how I can make an appliance usable through creativity and
> asking for suggestions from people that have already worked it out. By the way, isn't that the main purpose of this list?
>
>
> Bernice and the adorable LoLO.
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> laotab ~ via Small-Appliance-Cooking
> Sent: Wednesday, April 11, 2018 10:58 PM
> To: Cooking with Small Appliances <small-appliance-cooking at nfbnet.org>
> Cc: laotab ~ <laotab at msn.com>
> Subject: Re: [Small-Appliance-Cooking] Resolution or accessible
> appliances
>
> I would not want a specific device not to be mentioned on this list
> due to the moral injustice one may feel.  If it helps me in the
> kitchen, then I want to know about it.  make another list for
> offensive statements in the manuals for devices and the disabled.
>
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> On Behalf Of David Andrews via Small-Appliance-Cooking
> Sent: Wednesday, April 11, 2018 8:06 PM
> To: Cooking with Small Appliances <small-appliance-cooking at nfbnet.org>
> Cc: David Andrews <dandrews at visi.com>
> Subject: Re: [Small-Appliance-Cooking] Resolution or accessible
> appliances
>
> I understand, and live your frustration, but while I am not a lawyer,
> I don't think there is a legal hook to hang your hat on, in this
> arena. That doesn't mean that we shouldn't do a resolution -- but to
> who. The Consumer Technology Association is starting to pay a little
> attention to accessibility -- but still has a long way to go. There
> may be appliance groups -- I don't know.
>
> Dave
>
> At 06:58 PM 4/11/2018, you wrote:
>> I understand that this list is sponsored by the crafters division. I
>> believe that we need a resolution to address the large number of an
>> accessible appliances that are excluding blind people. If an
>> accessible websites the violate the ADA, some of these appliance
>> manufacturers should be taken to task as well. They are going above
>> and beyond to exclude blind people by creating an accessible touch
>> screens that are impossible to label because the menus change. I was
>> trying to get a new coffee maker, and it was very hard to find one
>> with buttons. Smart appliances are also great, but blind people
>> should not be forced to use them to make up for lack of
>> accessibility. We are paying customers and we deserve to be able to
>> buy appliances that we can use. We do not deserve to get shut out of
>> all of these new appliances, and we do not deserve companies that go
>> so far as to put in their instructions manual that we should not use
>> their products. This is wrong because it is discriminatory, and if a
>> blind person is using a product, and that product actually is
>> defective, unsafe, or has a problem, the company can try to get out
>> of it by saying that a blind person should not have been using it in
>> the first place according to their manual. I do not know how to write
>> a resolution or I would do it. I don't even know what resolution
>> would help. And we will also have to frame the resolution in such a
>> way that other blind people won't take away focus from it by saying
>> that we are entitled for wanting access to smart appliances like they
>> did with the Apple resolution. What do you all think?
>>
>> Sabra Ewing
>
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