[Sportsandrec] sports as a blind person

Fri Jan 2 22:49:58 UTC 2009

I believe it was center. 
Mike

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From: sportsandrec-bounces at nfbnet.org
[mailto:sportsandrec-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Ashley Bramlett
Sent: Friday, January 02, 2009 1:21 PM
To: Sports and Recreation for the Blind Discussion List
Subject: Re: [Sportsandrec] sports as a blind person

A totally blind football player?  What position did he play? Without a 
beeping ball I would think he would have a position where he can contact the

ball often like being center.
Ashley

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Mike Sivill" <mike.sivill at viewplus.com>
To: "'Sports and Recreation for the Blind Discussion List'" 
<sportsandrec at nfbnet.org>
Sent: Friday, January 02, 2009 11:50 AM
Subject: [Sportsandrec] sports as a blind person

>I saw on youtube a totally blind kid who plays football on his middle 
>school
> team. Also I new of a high schooler who did the same thing,, with almost 
> no
> adaptation. Although I never was interested in football and also get my
> crashing jollies from Judo and wrestling, sometimes it just takes someone
> else demonstrating something to prove to you that it's possible.
> Mike
> -----Original Message-----
> From: sportsandrec-bounces at nfbnet.org
> [mailto:sportsandrec-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Joe Shaw
> Sent: Thursday, January 01, 2009 8:10 AM
> To: Sports and Recreation for the Blind Discussion List
> Subject: Re: [Sportsandrec] More Beep Baseball
>
> Right on Kelly,  We are in total sympatico on this issue.
> My vision took me to a place where I could not exactly do some of the 
> sports
>
> I loved, so I stopped doing them. I cannot play basketball anymore without
> it being modified and be good at it, so I don't play basketball anymore. I
> am not interested in playing "altered" basketball, some are and I say go 
> for
>
> it. It is not for me. I still dribble, pass, shoot, and teach fundamentals
> with my daughter who is just learning to play, but I have no interest in
> playing. I get my basketball and soccer fix with goalball which yes Pete I
> know is a bananna  to an orange, but I like banannas. I like peaches too
> lol.
> I played football in junior high. I liked defense as I loved the hitting. 
> I
> like the violence and the feel of two human bodies at great speeds 
> crashing
> into each other, I'm kind of a sicko and okay with it. I get that fix from
> wrestling, judo, and jujitsu, it's the same if not better for me.
> When we lift, swim, or spin,  there is no difference in blind or sighted,
> they are level playing fields. This is why I think blind people do them so
> much.
> I am blind. I am an athlete. I am a blind athlete. They are just 
> adjectives
> to throw in the pot that make the soup of our being.
> "Everybody's talking about revolutions, evolutions, mastications,
> flagelocations, regulations" "Integrations, meditations, united nations,
> congratulations" "All we are saying" "Is give peace a chance" Give Peace a
> Chance John Lennon
> Sorry so long, no I'm not (smile)
>
> Joe Shaw Nashville Maffia
>
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "Thornbury, Kelly" <kthornbury at bresnan.net>
> To: <sportsandrec at nfbnet.org>
> Sent: Wednesday, December 31, 2008 6:08 PM
> Subject: [Sportsandrec] More Beep Baseball
>
>
>> First of all, my class experience as one blind person on a team of 10
>> playing softball is certainly different than 10 blind people out there
>> trying to find a ball that's quit rolling (or worse, beeping), trying to
>> find bases, and trying most of all to avoid running into each other. All
>> my classmates were immeasurably helpful in integrating me into the game.
>>
>> Second, I personally have no problem considering beep baseball to be a
>> "blind" sport...because unless I am mistaken, everyone wears sleep 
>> shades,
>
>> a rule in itself that makes it a sport where vision is eliminated as an
>> ability. I have no problem calling adapted sports what they are, or
>> playing by the rules set within them. Does it really matter if a batter
>> gets three strikes or four, or if there are two bases instead of three,
>> honestly? Baseball and softball have similar rules and strategic 
>> concepts,
>
>> but specific rules are considerably different...despite the similarities
>> they are two different games. I have no problem calling an orange an
>> orange, or a "blind sport" what it is.
>>
>> This might  be where I stray from NFB teachings, but I accept that there
>> are many things I am no longer able to participate in...I will never 
>> again
>
>> take off on a solo bike trip; partake in some knarly back country, out of
>> bounds skiing; trek solo across the high route from Chamonix to Zermatt.
>> I'm fine with that...I have a disability that doesn't allow me to safely
>> participate in such activities. I am happy, in fact more than happy, to
>> play the games I can, come up with rules or alterations that allow more
>> participation in "mainstream" games, and to leave alone the ones I don't
>> feel comfortable in. I don't consider myself to be a blind athlete
>> (despite being totally blind), I am an athlete who happens to rely on
>> other senses and abilities besides vision to participate in 
>> activities...I
>
>> am a person who happens to be blind...I define the blindness, it doesn't
>> define me.
>>
>> Thank you for the information on the beeping Frisbee. I've been looking
>> for one; I'm hoping to get involved with the ultimate Frisbee intramurals
>> on campus.
>>
>> Now a question for the list: For any guide dog users out there who are
>> into water recreation like canoeing, I am looking for a good life vest 
>> for
>
>> my guide (yes 99.9% of all labs can swim, and do it willingly, but better
>> safe than sorry). I have seen a couple that I didn't care for the design
>> of, but it seems that as a rafting guide when I was sighted, I saw many
>> more different designs that I can't seem to be able to "GOOGLE."
>>
>> Kelly
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