[Sportsandrec] clueless coaches

Fri Aug 10 21:37:16 UTC 2012

Joe,
Same here. The students at schools for the blind have activities adapted so 
they can participate in them and blind kids are not singled out to learn a 
skill hands on.
It must be nice feeling like one of the crowd rather than so different. I 
had an elementary school PE teacher who had me keep score in some sports 
games like volleyball.

That is why in the other thread on stats of fitness I said having recreation 
activities as a group of blind people would be fun. Adults can also grow in 
confidence and have some adventure if they have the support. Many rec 
activities are not adapted; just that we need hands on and verbal guidance. 
In a class of blind people this would be understood and done where as in a 
group of sighted participants, you may not get individual attention because 
they have to help everyone in class and demonstrate everything.

Yep, if I had a blind kid, I would want them excused from PE because usually 
gym teachers have no clue how to help us and a blind kid could not play all 
the games sighted kids do.

Ashley
-----Original Message----- 
From: Joe Shaw
Sent: Friday, August 10, 2012 5:24 PM
To: Sports and Recreation for the Blind Discussion List
Subject: Re: [Sportsandrec] clueless coaches

Hey Mike,
I appreciate your experience. However, I think every blind kid has some
horror story from school growing up. P.E. is one reason why I'm a believer
in schools for the blind. It's one of the only ones, but sports which build
confidence and being around other blind kids seeing that you're okay are
good things in my opinion. If I had a blind kid in public school, I would
handle the situation better now. First, it's easier now as my sighted kids
and other kids across the country are having p.e. phased out of school
anyway for the most part. Why are we fat as a nation? However, my blind kid
would be excused from p.e. to avoid the entire sighted class having to adapt
part of the time and my blind child being a weirdo. My lil blind baby would
be enrolled in sports year-round he could play on a level field just as are
my sighted kids and it would count toward little Johnny's grade.
JS
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Mike" <underthetoaster at gmail.com>
To: "Sports and Recreation for the Blind Discussion List"
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Sent: Friday, August 10, 2012 1:11 PM
Subject: Re: [Sportsandrec] clueless coaches

> Hi guys,my PE teacher in junior high's favorite sport for the totally 
> blind was frisbee with no adaptation. Talk about cluless. He would go, ok 
> Mike hold up your hands, then throw the frisbee.
> That got old real fast. And I got a C for constantly strewing around since 
> I really couldn't do any of the unadapted things. It was very lame.
> Mike S
>
>
>
> On 8/10/2012 10:01 AM, Jessica Kostiw wrote:
>> (Ashley and I went to the same middle and high schools.)  Ashley, who was
>> your aid?  I never had one... In middle school another student and I went
>> into another room with a tred mill.  The student loved it b/c she was 
>> pretty
>> much getting out of PE.
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: sportsandrec-bounces at nfbnet.org
>> [mailto:sportsandrec-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Ashley Bramlett
>> Sent: Thursday, July 12, 2012 6:03 PM
>> To: Sports and Recreation for the Blind Discussion List
>> Subject: Re: [Sportsandrec] clueless coaches
>>
>> I see what Jody is saying; as I grew older as a teen and now adult I do 
>> what
>>
>> I want without too much concern about others perceptions.
>> No I won't appologize for the extra work of accomodations as I have a 
>> right
>> to be in a class or workshop.
>> That said, fitness instructors and PE teachers are clueless about how to
>> adapt games and help us. Someone has to educate them. Its not always the
>> kids, they do not know what to say. A little kid, say ten years old, 
>> isn't
>> going to boldly go up to their teacher  and say what they can do or tell 
>> the
>>
>> teacher how to teach; kids just do not do that.
>> It's the teacher's role and parent's role to help.
>>
>> As for aids, no Jody I don't agree with your comment. Aids, especially in
>> PE, can serve a valuable role. I do not see evidence for being better off
>> without an aid. How on earth are you better off when you do not get the
>> visual info everyone else learns or sees a demonstration.
>> How are you better off when the class sees a video and the aid  is not 
>> there
>>
>> to describe it?
>> School is more visual now; in your days jody, you had more lecture; now 
>> you
>> have videos, computer programs teaching concepts, and other multimedia
>> presentations such as powerpoint and adobe flash.
>> An aid can show or describe hands on what to do. As for my experience in 
>> PE,
>>
>> it sucked mostly. My O&M instructor did educate them some; they asked
>> another student in class to show me some of the exercises. For running, I
>> did that with a student partner. In middle school, the emphasis was on
>> sports games. We cannot get involved there as you can get hit by a ball
>> easily. Yes we can play with audible balls in a small group; but we 
>> cannot
>> play those games like soccer or volleyball without help.
>> In middle school, an aid or my O&M instructor took me out of PE and we 
>> went
>> to the weight room to use the weight machines or the cardio equipment.
>> I would do the warm up calisthenics
>> with the class. Then we went to the other room to do something else while
>> the class did their ball games.
>> The aide came from the autism room. I did not have a full time aide
>> supervising me like some blind kids have.
>>
>> A student should advocate at age appropriate times and politely. That 
>> comes
>> with practice and maturity. A good TVI will help teach advocacy.
>> I support advocacy definitely, but I think it falls on the parents and
>> special ed teachers to help at a young age.
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Justin.Williams2
>> Sent: Thursday, July 12, 2012 11:44 AM
>> To: 'Sports and Recreation for the Blind Discussion List'
>> Subject: Re: [Sportsandrec] clueless coaches
>>
>> Yes,  that is what I am talking.
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: sportsandrec-bounces at nfbnet.org
>> [mailto:sportsandrec-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of 
>> jody at thewhitehats.com
>> Sent: Thursday, July 12, 2012 11:58 AM
>> To: 'Sports and Recreation for the Blind Discussion List'
>> Subject: Re: [Sportsandrec] clueless coaches
>>
>> Hi Justin,
>>
>> Yes, you are right, I was really just repeating the expression but I 
>> don't
>> ask for forgiveness either.  I just go ahead and do what I planned and if
>> someone has a problem with it, first I educate, then if someone still has 
>> a
>> problem I tell them they are in my way and suggest they step aside.
>> Figuratively but it could be literally too.
>>
>> JODY
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