[Sportsandrec] clueless coaches

Fri Aug 10 21:59:20 UTC 2012

I went to public and a school for the blind and therefore got a taste of 
both. I did not much like p.e. as I was losing my vision. My thought for the 
posative for the school for the blind sportswise is I didn't grow up here in 
Nashville. I had no exposure in my rural school to wrestling, track, and 
swim teams as I found at the school for the blind. They existed, just not in 
my area. Once there, I did great. I don't believe I would have known them if 
I hadn't gone to TSB. There is no way to know. I think I would have found 
wrestling in my city district, but ya never can say for sure. I was pissed 
later when the county programs where I grew up got wrestling six to eight 
years after I left smile
J
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Ashley Bramlett" <bookwormahb at earthlink.net>
To: "Sports and Recreation for the Blind Discussion List" 
<sportsandrec at nfbnet.org>
Sent: Friday, August 10, 2012 4:37 PM
Subject: Re: [Sportsandrec] clueless coaches


> Joe,
> Same here. The students at schools for the blind have activities adapted 
> so they can participate in them and blind kids are not singled out to 
> learn a skill hands on.
> It must be nice feeling like one of the crowd rather than so different. I 
> had an elementary school PE teacher who had me keep score in some sports 
> games like volleyball.
>
>
> That is why in the other thread on stats of fitness I said having 
> recreation activities as a group of blind people would be fun. Adults can 
> also grow in confidence and have some adventure if they have the support. 
> Many rec activities are not adapted; just that we need hands on and verbal 
> guidance. In a class of blind people this would be understood and done 
> where as in a group of sighted participants, you may not get individual 
> attention because they have to help everyone in class and demonstrate 
> everything.
>
> Yep, if I had a blind kid, I would want them excused from PE because 
> usually gym teachers have no clue how to help us and a blind kid could not 
> play all the games sighted kids do.
>
> Ashley
> -----Original Message----- 
> From: Joe Shaw
> Sent: Friday, August 10, 2012 5:24 PM
> To: Sports and Recreation for the Blind Discussion List
> Subject: Re: [Sportsandrec] clueless coaches
>
> Hey Mike,
> I appreciate your experience. However, I think every blind kid has some
> horror story from school growing up. P.E. is one reason why I'm a believer
> in schools for the blind. It's one of the only ones, but sports which 
> build
> confidence and being around other blind kids seeing that you're okay are
> good things in my opinion. If I had a blind kid in public school, I would
> handle the situation better now. First, it's easier now as my sighted kids
> and other kids across the country are having p.e. phased out of school
> anyway for the most part. Why are we fat as a nation? However, my blind 
> kid
> would be excused from p.e. to avoid the entire sighted class having to 
> adapt
> part of the time and my blind child being a weirdo. My lil blind baby 
> would
> be enrolled in sports year-round he could play on a level field just as 
> are
> my sighted kids and it would count toward little Johnny's grade.
> JS
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "Mike" <underthetoaster at gmail.com>
> To: "Sports and Recreation for the Blind Discussion List"
> <sportsandrec at nfbnet.org>
> Sent: Friday, August 10, 2012 1:11 PM
> Subject: Re: [Sportsandrec] clueless coaches
>
>
>> Hi guys,my PE teacher in junior high's favorite sport for the totally 
>> blind was frisbee with no adaptation. Talk about cluless. He would go, ok 
>> Mike hold up your hands, then throw the frisbee.
>> That got old real fast. And I got a C for constantly strewing around 
>> since I really couldn't do any of the unadapted things. It was very lame.
>> Mike S
>>
>>
>>
>> On 8/10/2012 10:01 AM, Jessica Kostiw wrote:
>>> (Ashley and I went to the same middle and high schools.)  Ashley, who 
>>> was
>>> your aid?  I never had one... In middle school another student and I 
>>> went
>>> into another room with a tred mill.  The student loved it b/c she was 
>>> pretty
>>> much getting out of PE.
>>>
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: sportsandrec-bounces at nfbnet.org
>>> [mailto:sportsandrec-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Ashley Bramlett
>>> Sent: Thursday, July 12, 2012 6:03 PM
>>> To: Sports and Recreation for the Blind Discussion List
>>> Subject: Re: [Sportsandrec] clueless coaches
>>>
>>> I see what Jody is saying; as I grew older as a teen and now adult I do 
>>> what
>>>
>>> I want without too much concern about others perceptions.
>>> No I won't appologize for the extra work of accomodations as I have a 
>>> right
>>> to be in a class or workshop.
>>> That said, fitness instructors and PE teachers are clueless about how to
>>> adapt games and help us. Someone has to educate them. Its not always the
>>> kids, they do not know what to say. A little kid, say ten years old, 
>>> isn't
>>> going to boldly go up to their teacher  and say what they can do or tell 
>>> the
>>>
>>> teacher how to teach; kids just do not do that.
>>> It's the teacher's role and parent's role to help.
>>>
>>> As for aids, no Jody I don't agree with your comment. Aids, especially 
>>> in
>>> PE, can serve a valuable role. I do not see evidence for being better 
>>> off
>>> without an aid. How on earth are you better off when you do not get the
>>> visual info everyone else learns or sees a demonstration.
>>> How are you better off when the class sees a video and the aid  is not 
>>> there
>>>
>>> to describe it?
>>> School is more visual now; in your days jody, you had more lecture; now 
>>> you
>>> have videos, computer programs teaching concepts, and other multimedia
>>> presentations such as powerpoint and adobe flash.
>>> An aid can show or describe hands on what to do. As for my experience in 
>>> PE,
>>>
>>> it sucked mostly. My O&M instructor did educate them some; they asked
>>> another student in class to show me some of the exercises. For running, 
>>> I
>>> did that with a student partner. In middle school, the emphasis was on
>>> sports games. We cannot get involved there as you can get hit by a ball
>>> easily. Yes we can play with audible balls in a small group; but we 
>>> cannot
>>> play those games like soccer or volleyball without help.
>>> In middle school, an aid or my O&M instructor took me out of PE and we 
>>> went
>>> to the weight room to use the weight machines or the cardio equipment.
>>> I would do the warm up calisthenics
>>> with the class. Then we went to the other room to do something else 
>>> while
>>> the class did their ball games.
>>> The aide came from the autism room. I did not have a full time aide
>>> supervising me like some blind kids have.
>>>
>>> A student should advocate at age appropriate times and politely. That 
>>> comes
>>> with practice and maturity. A good TVI will help teach advocacy.
>>> I support advocacy definitely, but I think it falls on the parents and
>>> special ed teachers to help at a young age.
>>>
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: Justin.Williams2
>>> Sent: Thursday, July 12, 2012 11:44 AM
>>> To: 'Sports and Recreation for the Blind Discussion List'
>>> Subject: Re: [Sportsandrec] clueless coaches
>>>
>>> Yes,  that is what I am talking.
>>>
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: sportsandrec-bounces at nfbnet.org
>>> [mailto:sportsandrec-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of 
>>> jody at thewhitehats.com
>>> Sent: Thursday, July 12, 2012 11:58 AM
>>> To: 'Sports and Recreation for the Blind Discussion List'
>>> Subject: Re: [Sportsandrec] clueless coaches
>>>
>>> Hi Justin,
>>>
>>> Yes, you are right, I was really just repeating the expression but I 
>>> don't
>>> ask for forgiveness either.  I just go ahead and do what I planned and 
>>> if
>>> someone has a problem with it, first I educate, then if someone still 
>>> has a
>>> problem I tell them they are in my way and suggest they step aside.
>>> Figuratively but it could be literally too.
>>>
>>> JODY
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