[Sportsandrec] Research Not Survey

Sun Aug 12 14:04:19 UTC 2012

Hi, Carly,

I'm glad that you've begun to have these experiences, and I'm gladder
still  that you're open to continuing to have them. I should suggest,
however, furthering this conversation in private messages if you so
choose. The list owner seems slightly perturbed.

Justin

On 8/12/12, Carly Mihalakis <carlymih at comcast.net> wrote:
> Good morning, Justin L.
>
> What an excellent description of those two conveyances although I
> personally have never attempted riding a bike, sully by means of
> echolocation, or flash sonar. While On the back of a tandem I have
> gotten a taste of hearing my surroundings in those terms and it is
> intriguing, stuff!
>   /11/2012, JUSTIN LOUCHART wrote:
>>Hi, Justin Williams,
>>
>>The way that I explain a cane to folks is that a cane gives you great
>>vision within about five feet. Echolocation gives you very good vision
>>within roughly a thousand. When discussing conveyances, I compare the
>>two to bifocals' top and bottom lenses. I can safely climb a mountain
>>with a cane, but can safely ride a mountain bike on that mountain with
>>echolocation. I can see a building at a thousand feet with
>>echolocation, I can play basketball with no accommodations, etc.
>>Echolocation gives you the world without color, but a cane is still
>>necessary for drop offs and the like.
>>
>>Justin Louchart
>>
>>On 8/11/12, Justin.Williams2 <justin.williams2 at gmail.com> wrote:
>> > I have found that while walking with people, if I don't pay attention to
>> > my
>> > surroundings, and watch my step, they will lead me into stuff.
>> >
>> > -----Original Message-----
>> > From: sportsandrec-bounces at nfbnet.org
>> > [mailto:sportsandrec-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Bill Kociaba
>> > Sent: Friday, August 10, 2012 8:28 PM
>> > To: Sports and Recreation for the Blind Discussion List
>> > Subject: Re: [Sportsandrec] Research Not Survey
>> >
>> > How can you compare the two?  If you are walking sighted guide you have
>> > no
>> > effort you need not pay any attention to your surroundings its totally
>> > the
>> > other person's responsability...you are "just along for the ride".
>> > If
>> > you
>> >
>> > are working with a guide dog you are still in charge of the situation
>> > and
>> > you need to know where you are and have an idea of the route to your
>> > destination. The dog is not going to read signs to you or otherwise
>> > identify
>> > landmarks. Its still totally your problem to get from point A to point
>> > B
>> > weather you are using a cane or a dog.  That can't be said if you are
>> > going
>> > sighted guide.
>> > Bill Kociaba
>> > CRUISEONE
>> > Bill at Ycruise.com
>> > 954 227 7772 or Toll Free 877 227 7775
>> > 7600 Wiles Rd, Coral Springs, FL 33067
>> > ----- Original Message -----
>> > From: "Carly Mihalakis" <carlymih at comcast.net>
>> > To: "Sports and Recreation for the Blind Discussion List"
>> > <sportsandrec at nfbnet.org>; "Sports and Recreation for the Blind
>> > Discussion
>> > List" <sportsandrec at nfbnet.org>
>> > Sent: Friday, August 10, 2012 7:40 PM
>> > Subject: Re: [Sportsandrec] Research Not Survey
>> >
>> >
>> >> Hi, Peter,
>> >>
>> >> So, just curious, how is using a guide dog any different than going
>> >> sighted guide? At 09:26 AM 8/10/2012, Peter Donahue wrote:
>> >>
>> >>>Hello everyone,
>> >>>
>> >>>     Don't forget a frequent cane, guide dog user or none of the
>> >>> above.
>> >>> This
>> >>>comes from someone who uses a cane or a guide dog depending on the
>> >>>travel situation and does not rely on sighted guides including for
>> >>>participating in athletic activities and considers the lone use of
>> >>>echolocation taboo! The comments below illustrate the damage
>> >>>overmoddification of sports for the blind can do. Never mind the
>> >>>survey. Research in to how the blind participated in competitive
>> >>>sports prior to overmoddificationitis would be far more valuable.
>> >>>
>> >>>Peter Donahue
>> >>>
>> >>>----- Original Message -----
>> >>>From: "Ashley Bramlett" <bookwormahb at earthlink.net>
>> >>>To: "Sports and Recreation for the Blind Discussion List"
>> >>><sportsandrec at nfbnet.org>
>> >>>Sent: Friday, August 10, 2012 11:13 AM
>> >>>Subject: Re: [Sportsandrec] No AdapTap System Necessary
>> >>>
>> >>>
>> >>>Justin,
>> >>>good question; why not a survey on this? You could become famous then.
>> >>>smile.
>> >>>
>> >>>-----Original Message-----
>> >>>From: JUSTIN LOUCHART
>> >>>Sent: Friday, August 10, 2012 3:57 AM
>> >>>To: Sports and Recreation for the Blind Discussion List
>> >>>Subject: Re: [Sportsandrec] No AdapTap System Necessary
>> >>>
>> >>>Hello,
>> >>>
>> >>>I'd find it interesting to see if someone who puts down overusing
>> >>>adaptations is a frequent sighted guide user, or if they are an active
>> >>>echolocation user? Humans did in fact evolve to be active and passive
>> >>>echolocation users, and sighted guide is a cultural adaptation, not an
>> >>>inherent biological one. My point: If a categorical imperative is in
>> >>>fact a categorical imperative, it's universally applied.
>> >>>
>> >>>Just a thought based on principle, not the flow of conversation...
>> >>>
>> >>>Justin
>> >>>
>> >>>On 8/10/12, Robin <robin-melvin at comcast.net> wrote:
>> >>> >   Hello:
>> >>> >
>> >>> > I don't THINK we should try to IMPOSE our views of what works for
>> >>> > us upon others.
>> >>> >
>> >>> > If adaptation helps, use it. if it doesn't, don't use it. It's that
>> >>> > SIMPLE.
>> >>> >
>> >>> > At 09:56 PM 8/9/2012, you wrote:
>> >>> >>I agree.  I kept proper form when I swam and didn't hit my head.  I
>> >>> >>did  have to learn proper form.
>> >>> >>
>> >>> >>-----Original Message-----
>> >>> >>From: sportsandrec-bounces at nfbnet.org
>> >>> >>[mailto:sportsandrec-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of
>> >>> >>jody at thewhitehats.com
>> >>> >>Sent: Thursday, August 09, 2012 11:28 PM
>> >>> >>To: 'Sports and Recreation for the Blind Discussion List'
>> >>> >>Subject: Re: [Sportsandrec] No AdapTap System Necessary
>> >>> >>
>> >>> >>Personally I think there is too much adaptation being done for
>> >>> >>blind participants.  I even heard of a yoga mat designed for the
>> >>> >>blind.  Give me  a break.
>> >>> >>
>> >>> >>JODY
>> >>> >>
>> >>> >>
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