[Sportsandrec] Research Not Survey

Sun Aug 12 13:49:25 UTC 2012

Good morning, Justin L.

What an excellent description of those two conveyances although I 
personally have never attempted riding a bike, sully by means of 
echolocation, or flash sonar. While On the back of a tandem I have 
gotten a taste of hearing my surroundings in those terms and it is 
intriguing, stuff!
  /11/2012, JUSTIN LOUCHART wrote:
>Hi, Justin Williams,
>
>The way that I explain a cane to folks is that a cane gives you great
>vision within about five feet. Echolocation gives you very good vision
>within roughly a thousand. When discussing conveyances, I compare the
>two to bifocals' top and bottom lenses. I can safely climb a mountain
>with a cane, but can safely ride a mountain bike on that mountain with
>echolocation. I can see a building at a thousand feet with
>echolocation, I can play basketball with no accommodations, etc.
>Echolocation gives you the world without color, but a cane is still
>necessary for drop offs and the like.
>
>Justin Louchart
>
>On 8/11/12, Justin.Williams2 <justin.williams2 at gmail.com> wrote:
> > I have found that while walking with people, if I don't pay attention to my
> > surroundings, and watch my step, they will lead me into stuff.
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: sportsandrec-bounces at nfbnet.org
> > [mailto:sportsandrec-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Bill Kociaba
> > Sent: Friday, August 10, 2012 8:28 PM
> > To: Sports and Recreation for the Blind Discussion List
> > Subject: Re: [Sportsandrec] Research Not Survey
> >
> > How can you compare the two?  If you are walking sighted guide you have no
> > effort you need not pay any attention to your surroundings its totally the
> > other person's responsability...you are "just along for the ride".    If
> > you
> >
> > are working with a guide dog you are still in charge of the situation and
> > you need to know where you are and have an idea of the route to your
> > destination. The dog is not going to read signs to you or otherwise
> > identify
> > landmarks. Its still totally your problem to get from point A to point B
> > weather you are using a cane or a dog.  That can't be said if you are going
> > sighted guide.
> > Bill Kociaba
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> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "Carly Mihalakis" <carlymih at comcast.net>
> > To: "Sports and Recreation for the Blind Discussion List"
> > <sportsandrec at nfbnet.org>; "Sports and Recreation for the Blind Discussion
> > List" <sportsandrec at nfbnet.org>
> > Sent: Friday, August 10, 2012 7:40 PM
> > Subject: Re: [Sportsandrec] Research Not Survey
> >
> >
> >> Hi, Peter,
> >>
> >> So, just curious, how is using a guide dog any different than going
> >> sighted guide? At 09:26 AM 8/10/2012, Peter Donahue wrote:
> >>
> >>>Hello everyone,
> >>>
> >>>     Don't forget a frequent cane, guide dog user or none of the above.
> >>> This
> >>>comes from someone who uses a cane or a guide dog depending on the
> >>>travel situation and does not rely on sighted guides including for
> >>>participating in athletic activities and considers the lone use of
> >>>echolocation taboo! The comments below illustrate the damage
> >>>overmoddification of sports for the blind can do. Never mind the
> >>>survey. Research in to how the blind participated in competitive
> >>>sports prior to overmoddificationitis would be far more valuable.
> >>>
> >>>Peter Donahue
> >>>
> >>>----- Original Message -----
> >>>From: "Ashley Bramlett" <bookwormahb at earthlink.net>
> >>>To: "Sports and Recreation for the Blind Discussion List"
> >>><sportsandrec at nfbnet.org>
> >>>Sent: Friday, August 10, 2012 11:13 AM
> >>>Subject: Re: [Sportsandrec] No AdapTap System Necessary
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>Justin,
> >>>good question; why not a survey on this? You could become famous then.
> >>>smile.
> >>>
> >>>-----Original Message-----
> >>>From: JUSTIN LOUCHART
> >>>Sent: Friday, August 10, 2012 3:57 AM
> >>>To: Sports and Recreation for the Blind Discussion List
> >>>Subject: Re: [Sportsandrec] No AdapTap System Necessary
> >>>
> >>>Hello,
> >>>
> >>>I'd find it interesting to see if someone who puts down overusing
> >>>adaptations is a frequent sighted guide user, or if they are an active
> >>>echolocation user? Humans did in fact evolve to be active and passive
> >>>echolocation users, and sighted guide is a cultural adaptation, not an
> >>>inherent biological one. My point: If a categorical imperative is in
> >>>fact a categorical imperative, it's universally applied.
> >>>
> >>>Just a thought based on principle, not the flow of conversation...
> >>>
> >>>Justin
> >>>
> >>>On 8/10/12, Robin <robin-melvin at comcast.net> wrote:
> >>> >   Hello:
> >>> >
> >>> > I don't THINK we should try to IMPOSE our views of what works for
> >>> > us upon others.
> >>> >
> >>> > If adaptation helps, use it. if it doesn't, don't use it. It's that
> >>> > SIMPLE.
> >>> >
> >>> > At 09:56 PM 8/9/2012, you wrote:
> >>> >>I agree.  I kept proper form when I swam and didn't hit my head.  I
> >>> >>did  have to learn proper form.
> >>> >>
> >>> >>-----Original Message-----
> >>> >>From: sportsandrec-bounces at nfbnet.org
> >>> >>[mailto:sportsandrec-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of
> >>> >>jody at thewhitehats.com
> >>> >>Sent: Thursday, August 09, 2012 11:28 PM
> >>> >>To: 'Sports and Recreation for the Blind Discussion List'
> >>> >>Subject: Re: [Sportsandrec] No AdapTap System Necessary
> >>> >>
> >>> >>Personally I think there is too much adaptation being done for
> >>> >>blind participants.  I even heard of a yoga mat designed for the
> >>> >>blind.  Give me  a break.
> >>> >>
> >>> >>JODY
> >>> >>
> >>> >>
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