[Sportsandrec] clueless coaches

Joe Shaw jrs3147 at comcast.net
Mon Jul 16 12:10:42 UTC 2012 

Hey Mike,
Could you email me off-list at jrs3147 at comcast.net as I would love to talk 
lifting with you.
Thanks,
Joe
----- Original Message ----- 
From: <hannibal8it at aol.com>
To: <sportsandrec at nfbnet.org>
Sent: Tuesday, July 10, 2012 8:30 PM
Subject: Re: [Sportsandrec] clueless coaches


>i don't disagree there's a need for education  i just don't believe even a 
>small child can't be a source of education for the adults as much as the 
>other way around.
> Children have always had a serious underestimation attached to them as to 
> what we can learn from them as grown-ups.
> I mean "advocate",really?  this is the kind of protective jargon that 
> perpetuates labels and attitudes better left alone.
> I do however, agree that parents should play a larger part, but again, 
> this fact is not unique to blind children.  My parents deserve a lot of 
> credit for how i developed, but it is because they encouraged me to stand 
> up for myself, speak for myself, and defy other people's limited 
> imaginations.
> sorry, but i'd rather be a trail blazer than the follower.  I realize this 
> doesn't work for many people, but i feel as much as we have a 
> responsibility to guide others of all ages and abilities, we have an equal 
> responsibility to foster an attitude to be guides of their own 
> comportment.
> just my opinion.
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: TNABA <tnaba at bellsouth.net>
> To: Sports and Recreation for the Blind Discussion List 
> <sportsandrec at nfbnet.org>
> Sent: Mon, Jul 9, 2012 9:36 pm
> Subject: Re: [Sportsandrec] clueless coaches
>
> Yes, I must agree. that is why I am so committed to the TNABA and the 
> USABA
> mission. We all must do our parts.
>
> Ricky
>
> Tennessee Association of Blind Athletes
> 1081 Zophi Street, Nashville TN 37216
> Email:      tnaba at bellsouth.net
> Phone:     615-390-4178
> Web:        www.tnaba.org
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Ashley Bramlett" <bookwormahb at earthlink.net>
> To: "Sports and Recreation for the Blind Discussion List"
> <sportsandrec at nfbnet.org>
> Sent: Monday, July 09, 2012 7:54 PM
> Subject: Re: [Sportsandrec] clueless coaches
>
>
>> ,
>> older kids can advocate; but little kids do not know how to advocate
> and
>> hopefully they slowly learn communication skills. You are taught to
> be
>> quiet and listen to the teacher in school. Only in middle school do
> kids
>> get more rowdy and begin to talk back or in the case of us talk up, I
> mean
>> talk up our rights. I think it should be a parent to advocate for
> young
>> children in combo with a good TVI. A gym teacher hasn't a clue how to
>> assist a blind student; someone has to educate.
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: hannibal8it at aol.com
>> Sent: Monday, July 09, 2012 8:44 PM
>> To: sportsandrec at nfbnet.org
>> Subject: Re: [Sportsandrec] clueless coaches
>>
>> hello;
>>
>> My name is Mike, i know i've introduced myself to some of you.
>> I've read through this entire thread, and i've got to ask, where is
> the
>> discussion around the responsibility of the student?  One person i
>> think mentioned talking to the parent about what's going on in
> class...
>> but what is the kid comfortable doing?  that's where it really dwells.
>> Sure the teachers have to use some common sense and judgement when it
>> comes to class participation, however, i believe a fuller percentage
> of
>> what can and can't be done lies with the student.  who knows his/her
>> limitations better?
>> I lost both my eyes to retino blastoma by the time i was six.  i
>> participated in all PE activities, including flag football where i
>> played nose tackle and center just by having my knuckles touch the
> nose
>> of the ball; my idea, not the teachers.  i even stripped a kid who had
>> 40lbs on me and scored a touchdown, he was as shocked as anyone.  LOL
>> Basketball, just have another kid run under and clap once under the
>> basket.  swimming, gymnastics, rope climbing,  volleyball, weights,
>> track...
>> i actually got a call at college one day by my former braille
>> transcriber and mobility specialist, they wanted to know how i
>> succeeded in gym class because a girl had come 2 years behind me and
>> was struggling.  they asked, well, "what did you do with Mike."  The
>> teacher's answer was "nothing, he just did it."  No reason anyone else
>> can't be like that.  if they can't, it should be like any child
>> comparison with sight; you're either an athlete or you're not, has
>> nothing to do with vision.  Obviously you're not going to hit a
>> baseball with as much success, but i think you get my point.
>> i competed in wrestling from 3rd grade through my second year at The
>> University of Pittsburgh, and also rowed stroke in a 4-man shell for
>> the University.
>> in junior/high school i also participated in track, did long jump and
>> discus.
>> Granted, it takes a little convincing of the parents/teachers, but
>> that's my whole point.  We've got to tell these kids it's up to them,
>> if we wait for the adults to figure it out, it'll be centuries.
>> I grew up wrestling in PA, probably the most competitive state in the
>> nation for this sport, in one of the 3 most competitive weight classes
>> at 126lbs.  I'm not saying this to be immodest, i just want to help.
> I
>> had written to Lisa M earlier looking for ways i can assist, and i'm
>> still waiting for a response.
>> Today i am lifting in a fully sighted open powerlifting federation,
> the
>> IPA.  2 years ago i won Nationals for my age group at 198, it was
>> incredible.  there's no reason other people can't feel this kind of
>> success, especially the youngsters.
>> I'm also certified as a strength coach by the NSCA, and a senior
>> Olympic lifting coach by USAW.  so if anyone else knows where and how
> i
>> could help...
>> I remember at Pitt our coach use to make us wrestle with the lights
>> out.  It wasn't because i was there, Coach Stottlemeyer had been doing
>> that for years.
>> These kinds of adaptations are out there, or just waiting to be found.
>> All it takes is the right kid, and we can help.
>> Coaches and teachers are there as resources, it is up to students and
>> athletes to decide how to allow them to be of benefit, or be useful;
>> and athletes/students to be coachable/teachable.  Blind students and
>> athletes are no different in my opinion.
>> thanks for allowing me to participate.
>> Mike
>>
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Justin.Williams2 <justin.williams2 at gmail.com>
>> To: 'Sports and Recreation for the Blind Discussion List'
>> <sportsandrec at nfbnet.org>
>> Sent: Mon, Jul 9, 2012 8:11 pm
>> Subject: Re: [Sportsandrec] clueless coaches
>>
>> Yeah, I met you.  We sat outside or a while, and you gave me some
>> abdominal
>> tips.  You have a dog right?
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: sportsandrec-bounces at nfbnet.org
>> [mailto:sportsandrec-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Bill Kociaba
>> Sent: Monday, July 09, 2012 8:00 PM
>> To: Sports and Recreation for the Blind Discussion List
>> Subject: Re: [Sportsandrec] clueless coaches
>>
>> I am not sure. I was at the sports and rec meeting and I spoke. I am a
>> former gym owner and am currently a massage therapist/personal trainer
>> here
>> in hollywood, Fl.
>> I am sorry to say I met so many people that I am really not sure who
> was
>> who.
>>
>> Bill Kociaba
>> CRUISEONE
>> Bill at Ycruise.com
>> 954 227 7772 or Toll Free 877 227 7775
>> 7600 Wiles Rd, Coral Springs, FL 33067
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: "Justin.Williams2" <justin.williams2 at gmail.com>
>> To: "'Sports and Recreation for the Blind Discussion List'"
>> <sportsandrec at nfbnet.org>
>> Sent: Monday, July 09, 2012 6:29 PM
>> Subject: Re: [Sportsandrec] clueless coaches
>>
>>
>>> Did I meet you bill last year/
>>>
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: sportsandrec-bounces at nfbnet.org
>>> [mailto:sportsandrec-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Bill Kociaba
>>> Sent: Monday, July 09, 2012 4:59 PM
>>> To: Sports and Recreation for the Blind Discussion List
>>> Subject: Re: [Sportsandrec] clueless coaches
>>>
>>> Hay Justin,
>>> I wasn't there.  I was in Orlando last year and will be again next
>> year as
>>
>>> I
>>> live in Fl.  Traveling to conventions outside of the state doesn't
>> really
>>> fit into my budget.
>>>
>>> Bill Kociaba
>>> CRUISEONE
>>> Bill at Ycruise.com
>>> 954 227 7772 or Toll Free 877 227 7775
>>> 7600 Wiles Rd, Coral Springs, FL 33067
>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>> From: "Justin.Williams2" <justin.williams2 at gmail.com>
>>> To: "'Sports and Recreation for the Blind Discussion List'"
>>> <sportsandrec at nfbnet.org>
>>> Sent: Monday, July 09, 2012 3:20 PM
>>> Subject: Re: [Sportsandrec] clueless coaches
>>>
>>>
>>>>I wish I had a chance to meet you guys at convention.  I don't think
>> that
>>>>I
>>>> have ever met you.
>>>>
>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>> From: sportsandrec-bounces at nfbnet.org
>>>> [mailto:sportsandrec-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of
>>>> jody at thewhitehats.com
>>>> Sent: Monday, July 09, 2012 2:53 PM
>>>> To: 'Sports and Recreation for the Blind Discussion List'
>>>> Subject: Re: [Sportsandrec] clueless coaches
>>>>
>>>> Hi Bill,
>>>>
>>>> I had a good friend who was a brittle diabetic.  His gym teacher's
>> idea
>>>> of
>>>> toughing him up was to have him run laps until he calapsed and ended
>> up
>>>> in
>>>> the emergency room in shock.
>>>>
>>>> Really, I look back and see how irresponsible some of these teachers
>>>> were.
>>>> Even having kids go outside in shorts and short sleeved shirts in
>>>> November
>>>> up north was so irresponsible.  If a parent sent their kid out to
>> play in
>>>> freezing weather in shorts and short sleeves they would be charged
>> with
>>>> child abuse!
>>>>
>>>> Some of the adaptive PE they come up with now a days isn't any
>> better.
>>>> The
>>>> totally blind girl I mentioned who came in second place in her
>> division
>>>> in
>>>> the judo tournament described PE in school.  The teacher had her sit
>> in a
>>>> chair and do arm exercises.  We joked about it all the time in
> class.
>>>> Those
>>>> are the exercises for an 80 year old cardiac patient, not a healthy
>> 12
>>>> year
>>>> old blind girl.
>>>>
>>>> Oh don't get me started!  Actually I had so much faith in the public
>>>> school
>>>> system we homeschooled our daughter.  She got her diploma at 16.
> She
>>>> started judo at 18 months of age but gave it up at 8.  Not to say
> she
>>>> didn't
>>>> learn anything.  She is married to a black belt in karate so now she
>>>> loves
>>>> kick boxing.
>>>>
>>>> Our son did get his black belt.  He started judo at 11.  He came
>> home
>>>> from
>>>> school complaining a bully made him kiss a tree in order to be
>> allowed to
>>>> pass him.  Well, it didn't take long before that boy ended up eating
>>>> grass
>>>> and leaving our son alone.  Our son had a great tai-otoshi, he could
>> even
>>>> do
>>>> it and make it look like the other guy tripped.
>>>>
>>>> We just moved to a small farm with 5 acres.  I am in heaven here.
>> Tom
>>>> and
>>>
>>>> I
>>>> were just out in the barn and we found our mats.  We can put them
>> out in
>>>> the
>>>> grass and play to our hearts content and with complete privacy
>> except for
>>>> our neighbor's horse.
>>>>
>>>> When we practice we have to leave the dogs inside because they think
>> we
>>>> are
>>>> puppy wrestling and they want to join in.
>>>>
>>>> Between the farm and working out I hope to loose some of the weight
>> I
>>>> have
>>>> put on over the last few years.  I was almost to my goal when my
>> mother
>>>> in
>>>> law came to stay with us.  She loves junk food. It wasn't her fault,
>> it
>>>> was
>>>> my fault for not having any will power.  I am determined now to get
>> to my
>>>> goal.  The Zone diet works best for us.
>>>>
>>>> JODY
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> JODY
>>>>
>>>>
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