[Sportsandrec] Zumba?

Mon Jul 18 20:32:56 UTC 2016

J,
I have vision loss through no fault of my own, having said that, the other
person does not have to pick that up.  Somebody said, it was a fine balance.
There is reasonable accommodations, being helpful and people that use.  A
contract is both people win and both people lose, you hit it in the middle.
If somebody is limited income and many are and you wish to assist, then
something I have done is time spent or cost of services is converted to them
volunteering somewhere to give back as you have done and services are more
valued, again if you wish to.
t

-----Original Message-----
From: SportsandRec [mailto:sportsandrec-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of J
Steele-Louchart via SportsandRec
Sent: Monday, July 18, 2016 10:56 AM
To: Sports and Recreation for the Blind Discussion List
Cc: J Steele-Louchart
Subject: Re: [Sportsandrec] Zumba?

Bill,

You've brought this full-circle, and to a topic which the list might find
useful. Part of sports and recreation is acknowledging your responsibilities
as a participant. It's actually been one of my regrets. I've had several
running guides who I, frankly, was using without even realizing it. Taking
responsibility for my own participation  was a lesson I had to learn the
hard way. What are some recommendations you have for making sure that we're
being equal partners in activities rather than accidentally taking
advantage?

Warmth,
J

On 7/18/16, Kociaba Fitness via SportsandRec <sportsandrec at nfbnet.org>
wrote:
> Bridgit no sorrys. You are making a good point.  This may get me 
> kicked off this list but the can has been opened up so I am going to 
> rant on one of my pet pieves.  As I have previously mentioned I teach 
> a few fitness classes at the local Lighthouse.  Because of a kids 
> summer camp they offer there became a space issue and I was looking to 
> relocate one of my classes.  I had three people tell me they would not 
> continue because their transportation to and from the LH was covered 
> but if we went somewhere else they would have to pay.  Two of them 
> actually tole me I should pay for their rides.  I should pay for the 
> pleasure of teaching them???which I don't get paid for myself???
> I have seen a sense of entitlement in many people that I find very 
> frustrating.  I have had people ask me to work with them privately and 
> I try to be very flexable with the cost as I understand limited 
> incomes and adding the cost of transportation to the mix but they 
> actually expect me to give them my time for free.
>
> I will not deny that I have taken advantage of services offered to me 
> by the state and I am thankful for that help.  But when it gets to a 
> point that people don't want to pay for anything and actually expect 
> everything to be given to them for free, well that's just out of hand.  
> I have actually had sevral of my students go to DBS and ask for 
> talking scales. Surprised they didn't ask for workout clothes while 
> they were at it.
> End of mini rant.
> Bill
> Bill Kociaba
> www.kociaba-fitness.com
> "Building Better Bodies Since 1981"
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: SportsandRec [mailto:sportsandrec-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf 
> Of Bridgit Kuenning-Pollpeter via SportsandRec
> Sent: Monday, July 18, 2016 12:32 PM
> To: 'Sports and Recreation for the Blind Discussion List'
> Cc: Bridgit Kuenning-Pollpeter
> Subject: Re: [Sportsandrec] Zumba?
>
> No, you're right. And yes, many times we have a few extra steps to 
> accomplishing something, like an exercise class, that sighted people
don't.
> There is a fine line and a balance, and it's up to the individual to 
> determine what is best for them.
>
> I'm just in a mood today, smile. But I do think we sometimes expect 
> certain things without first just trying. We all do it, me included. 
> My grad school is paid for by a rehab agency, and I've also received 
> scholarships because I'm blind. So...
>
> Sorry for the tangent. I know I sound judgey, not my intention, just a 
> question posed wrong.
>
> Bridgit
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: SportsandRec [mailto:sportsandrec-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf 
> Of J Steele-Louchart via SportsandRec
> Sent: Monday, July 18, 2016 11:22 AM
> To: Sports and Recreation for the Blind Discussion List 
> <sportsandrec at nfbnet.org>
> Cc: J Steele-Louchart <jsteelelouchart at gmail.com>
> Subject: Re: [Sportsandrec] Zumba?
>
> Bridgit,
>
> On one hand, sighted people don't have to take additional classes to 
> learn what they can learn by watching. On the other hand, it does seem 
> that true equality means being willing to do the hard work to get there.
>
> But then again, I took a college scholarship awarded for nothing more 
> than my blindness, I accepted SSI rather than working a part-time job, 
> and sometimes I take rides from friends because I don't feel like 
> paying a driver. So do I really believe that, or does it just make me 
> feel good to be right? I guess I don't know where I draw the line.
>
> Warmth,
> J
>
>
> On 7/18/16, Bridgit Kuenning-Pollpeter via SportsandRec 
> <sportsandrec at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>> Not to be "that person," but why do we always suggest entities that 
>> can possibly fund our endeavors? Sighted people don't have places 
>> willing to pay for exercise, so why should we expect it? If you want 
>> to participate in exercise of any kind, just do it. If along the way 
>> someone offers financial assistance, great, but why do we always make 
>> it our first priority?
>>
>> Bridgit
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: SportsandRec [mailto:sportsandrec-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf 
>> Of Michelle Ouellet via SportsandRec
>> Sent: Monday, July 18, 2016 11:09 AM
>> To: sportsandrec at nfbnet.org
>> Cc: Michelle Ouellet <ydnest at aol.com>
>> Subject: Re: [Sportsandrec] Zumba?
>>
>> I agree this is a good approach as well Advertising on Craig's list 
>> for an instructor (local) might work Also checking with state re-hab 
>> offices (will they pay for this? ) or some health care providers pay 
>> for preventative exercise classes.....Where there is a will there is 
>> a way
> !
>>
>>
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Kociaba Fitness via SportsandRec <sportsandrec at nfbnet.org>
>> To: 'Sports and Recreation for the Blind Discussion List'
>> <sportsandrec at nfbnet.org>
>> Cc: Kociaba Fitness <kociabafitness at gmail.com>
>> Sent: Mon, Jul 18, 2016 11:56 am
>> Subject: Re: [Sportsandrec] Zumba?
>>
>> Contacting the co.s would be a total waste of time and energy. In 
>> spite of them being trademarked fitness programs virtually every 
>> instructor will modify moves, sequence, level of intensity etc.  The 
>> easiest and likely most effective thing would be to speak to the 
>> instructor privately and perhaps arrange a couple private classes to 
>> learn the moves as well as to "teach"
>> the instructor to be more verbal with his/her cues so you can keep up.
>> You may have to pay for those private lessons but that might be 
>> something you can resolve with the fitness center manigement.
>> Remember instructors are payed by the class so in their case time is
> money.
>>
>> Bill Kociaba
>> www.kociaba-fitness.com
>> "Building Better Bodies Since 1981"
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: SportsandRec [mailto:sportsandrec-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf 
>> Of Michelle via SportsandRec
>> Sent: Monday, July 18, 2016 7:34 AM
>> To: Sports and Recreation for the Blind Discussion List
>> Cc: Michelle
>> Subject: Re: [Sportsandrec] Zumba?
>>
>> Zumba and jazzercize are very difficult to follow as questions are 
>> visual.
>> Both companies should be contacted to arrange for accommodations.
>>
>> Michelle.
>> Thoughts are things.  Make them good ones!!
>>
>>> On Jul 17, 2016, at 8:18 PM, maryjane via SportsandRec
>> <sportsandrec at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>>>
>>> I also would like to know that too. Also where can I get the music 
>>> to the zomba fitness core
>>>
>>>
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: SportsandRec [mailto:sportsandrec-bounces at nfbnet.org] On 
>>> Behalf Of Kris F via SportsandRec
>>> Sent: Saturday, July 16, 2016 9:14 PM
>>> To: sportsandrec at nfbnet.org
>>> Cc: foleyforever at gmail.com
>>> Subject: [Sportsandrec] Zumba?
>>>
>>> How does a blind person follow what is going on in Zumba?
>>>
>>> Sent from my iPhone
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