[SportsandRec] Campsites and Hiking Trails

Joseph Bundy joseph.bundy92 at gmail.com
Thu Jan 26 00:39:14 UTC 2023 

I kow some places will require you to have sighted guides because they
may be more open to you having help. And what if an emgency happen and
one of you feel and can't tell if the other needs major medical
attenion. Again not try to bash anyone. Ashley that would be a good
idea. I would love that. I want to attend the convention but its so
long and expensive and usually have so many other things going on.
Been trying to get local conventions for Oklahoma or souranding states
to allow me to come and speak. Got to do that in Arksnsas last year.
Would it be ok if I email you off list?

On 1/25/23, Masha Sten Clanton via SportsandRec <sportsandrec at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> I know the Independence Market has talking compasses. I bought one from
> them, but haven't tried it yet.
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: SportsandRec <sportsandrec-bounces at nfbnet.org> On Behalf Of Joseph
> Bundy via SportsandRec
> Sent: Wednesday, January 25, 2023 7:25 PM
> To: Sports and Recreation for the Blind Discussion List
> <sportsandrec at nfbnet.org>
> Cc: Joseph Bundy <joseph.bundy92 at gmail.com>
> Subject: Re: [SportsandRec] Campsites and Hiking Trails
>
> I have my phone and use it for music or keeping in contact with family. My
> friends and I use it if if we are in different parts of the camping ground
> and need to reach any other like if I need help navigating back because I
> went and took a shower and they didn't or something. But I try to use it as
> less as possible. I feel renewed and reconnected and recharged being in
> nature. Feels like I am at home or at peace more when I can focus on the
> sounds, smells, etc. I have looked at the braille super store and I haven't
> found anythere.
>
> On 1/25/23, Sanho Steele-Louchart via SportsandRec <sportsandrec at nfbnet.org>
> wrote:
>> Joseph and Ashley,
>>
>> The iPhone compass is exceptionally good and doesn't rely upon cell
>> signal or data to operate. Ashley, if you know of braille compasses
>> made and sold within the past ten years, I'd like to know about them.
>> I was a mobility specialist until a few years ago and I know of none
>> being sold anywhere in the world. If they're back on the market,
>> that's news to me.
>>
>> Sanho
>>
>> On 1/25/23, Joseph Bundy via SportsandRec <sportsandrec at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>>> I don't mind using my phone compass but i don't know how well it
>>> works. And i try not to have my phone much while camping.
>>>
>>> I need to check that out. I know making prodcuts for the blind take
>>> more worker and extra features which cost more but sometimess it
>>> seems like the price is so high no one can afford it.
>>>
>>> On 1/25/23, Ashley Bramlett via SportsandRec
>>> <sportsandrec at nfbnet.org>
>>> wrote:
>>>> Hello Joseph,
>>>>
>>>> Braille compasses are available through blindness companies; I think
>>>> Independent Living aids has them and the NFB Independence Market.
>>>> I would guess talking compasses can be bought too there.
>>>>
>>>> Yes, the Victor Trek is still being made. There is also a new stand
>>>> alone device from Humanware for GPS.
>>>> Its real expensive though but if you can afford it or have support
>>>> to buy it, the device has cameras to OCR  print and also take
>>>> pictures of the environment. It’s the Stellar Trek. The Stellar Trek
>>>> also uses artificial intelligence to describe the environment.
>>>> I'm not sure about landmarks with it. I do not know how useful it
>>>> would be at a camp site or trail. That is a good question for
>>>> Humanware staff.
>>>>
>>>> HTH,
>>>> Ashley
>>>>
>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>> From: Joseph Bundy via SportsandRec
>>>> Sent: Wednesday, January 25, 2023 4:12 PM
>>>> To: Sports and Recreation for the Blind Discussion List
>>>> Cc: Joseph Bundy
>>>> Subject: Re: [SportsandRec] Campsites and Hiking Trails
>>>>
>>>> I been trying to find a brialle or talking compass
>>>>
>>>> On 1/25/23, Joseph Bundy <joseph.bundy92 at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>> Do they still make the trek?
>>>>>
>>>>> On 1/25/23, Tom Evans via SportsandRec <sportsandrec at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>>>>>> I think and please don’t quote me but the victor reader track, you
>>>>>> can set up your own markings as in your tent site is here and the
>>>>>> trail is here or like at a university your favorite meeting place
>>>>>> with friends is here.
>>>>>> Yet
>>>>>> you first have to get there. Tom
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On Jan 25, 2023, at 12:31 PM, Nella Foster via SportsandRec
>>>>>>> <sportsandrec at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> Yes, I am so sad about Sound Scape.  It is the one I have been
>>>>>>> using most.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Nella
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>>>> From: SportsandRec <sportsandrec-bounces at nfbnet.org> On Behalf Of
>>>>>>> Sanho Steele-Louchart via SportsandRec
>>>>>>> Sent: Wednesday, January 25, 2023 2:23 PM
>>>>>>> To: Sports and Recreation for the Blind Discussion List
>>>>>>> <sportsandrec at nfbnet.org>
>>>>>>> Cc: Sanho Steele-Louchart <sanho817 at gmail.com>
>>>>>>> Subject: Re: [SportsandRec] Campsites and Hiking Trails
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Nella,
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> What I've historically used is Microsoft Soundscape, but it's no
>>>>>>> longer available for download and will no longer be operational
>>>>>>> at all in June.
>>>>>>> I
>>>>>>> have some programmer friends who are working on rebuilding it,
>>>>>>> but that's a heavy lift. I'll keep you informed. Otherwise I
>>>>>>> don't know of anything suitable for large, outdoor spaces.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Sanho
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> On 1/25/23, Nella Foster via SportsandRec
>>>>>>>> <sportsandrec at nfbnet.org>
>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Also depending on how far out you are, you may not have cell
>>>>>>>> service.
>>>>>>>> This can be a real issue if you have an emergency.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> I have done quite a lot of hiking over the years and some of the
>>>>>>>> trails are almost impossible to follow without some sighted
>>>>>>>> assistance.  Heavy rains can wash out trails and make them even
>>>>>>>> harder to follow.  I find it easier to feel the trails with my
>>>>>>>> cane during the summer when the vegetation is thicker.  Well,
>>>>>>>> that is true now that I live in Missouri.  I used to live in
>>>>>>>> Arizona and there was a lot less vegetation.  You really didn't
>>>>>>>> want to bump into some of the vegetation in Arizona. Lol
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> I currently live in walking distance of a several hundred acre park.
>>>>>>>> It has many rather easy hiking trails, but it is hard for me to
>>>>>>>> follow them with my cane, they tend to curve around and join up
>>>>>>>> with lots of different trails.
>>>>>>>> There are a few gravel roads that go through the park for park
>>>>>>>> employee use.
>>>>>>>> I am able to feel these roads with my cane and stay on them.  I
>>>>>>>> do walk to the park and walk on the gravel roads by myself.
>>>>>>>> Someday I hope to learn a couple of the hiking trails, there is
>>>>>>>> one that goes along the creek that I would like to be able to use.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> I'm curious to know if there are certain GPS apps that people
>>>>>>>> are using for hiking and other outdoor experiences.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Nella
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>>>>> From: SportsandRec <sportsandrec-bounces at nfbnet.org> On Behalf
>>>>>>>> Of Tom Evans via SportsandRec
>>>>>>>> Sent: Monday, January 23, 2023 12:39 PM
>>>>>>>> To: Sports and Recreation for the Blind Discussion List
>>>>>>>> <sportsandrec at nfbnet.org>
>>>>>>>> Cc: Tom Evans <tevans2003 at sbcglobal.net>
>>>>>>>> Subject: Re: [SportsandRec] Campsites and Hiking Trails
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Cited or unsighted it would never be recommended to go on your
>>>>>>>> own. I used to work on a mountain rescue team and the multiple
>>>>>>>> amounts of problems that there were. For one simple reason if
>>>>>>>> something happens to you then how to notify others. This isn’t
>>>>>>>> the beginning of a close call… Cited or non-cited it would not
>>>>>>>> be recommended to go on your own
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> On Jan 22, 2023, at 9:00 PM, Sanho Steele-Louchart via
>>>>>>>>> SportsandRec <sportsandrec at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Joseph,
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Located in central Oklahoma. No specific wants other than
>>>>>>>>> local. For hiking, I'd use my usual long, rigid cane and an
>>>>>>>>> equally long or longer trekking pole. I will definitely be
>>>>>>>>> going alone or with another totally blind person.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Warmth,
>>>>>>>>> Sanho
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> On 1/22/23, Joseph Bundy via SportsandRec
>>>>>>>>>> <sportsandrec at nfbnet.org>
>>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>> Where are you located? Are you wanting something easy hard?
>>>>>>>>>> Anything
>>>>>>>>>> particular you want in the camping area? I usually research or
>>>>>>>>>> ask people i know about places or ask them to describe
>>>>>>>>>> something from photos. Usually we got to places they been or
>>>>>>>>>> have good ptotos and reviews. I don't know how much vission
>>>>>>>>>> you have but if not much or none, i wouldn't go hiking alone
>>>>>>>>>> especially for the fist time. i haven't done it much but would
>>>>>>>>>> hate to go on a trail and discover a drop off the hard way. I
>>>>>>>>>> know some good places if you want to discuss places.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> On 1/22/23, Sanho Steele-Louchart via SportsandRec
>>>>>>>>>>> <sportsandrec at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>> All,
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> I need to spend more time in nature. How do you folks
>>>>>>>>>>> choose/locate campsites and hiking trails for the first time?
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Warmth,
>>>>>>>>>>> Sanho
>>>>>>>>>>>
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>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> --
>>>>>>>>>> Take Care and God Bless
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Joseph S. Bundy
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>>>>>>>>>> gospel, for it is the power of God for salvation to everyone
>>>>>>>>>> who believes, to the Jew first and also to the Greek.-Romans
>>>>>>>>>> 1:16 The only thing worse than being blind is having sight but
>>>>>>>>>> no vision. — Helen Keller
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>>>>> Joseph S. Bundy
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>>>>> For I  am not ashamed of the gospel, for it is the power of God for
>>>>> salvation to everyone who believes, to the Jew first and also to
>>>>> the Greek.-Romans 1:16 The only thing worse than being blind is
>>>>> having sight but no vision. — Helen Keller
>>>>>
>>>>
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>>>> Joseph S. Bundy
>>>> Cell: 1-405-693-4771
>>>> E-Mail: josephbundy92 at gmail.com
>>>> For I  am not ashamed of the gospel, for it is the power of God for
>>>> salvation to everyone who believes, to the Jew first and also to the
>>>> Greek.-Romans 1:16 The only thing worse than being blind is having
>>>> sight but no vision. — Helen Keller
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>>> Greek.-Romans 1:16 The only thing worse than being blind is having
>>> sight but no vision. — Helen Keller
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>
> Joseph S. Bundy
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> no vision. — Helen Keller
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Take Care and God Bless

Joseph S. Bundy
Cell: 1-405-693-4771
E-Mail: josephbundy92 at gmail.com
For I  am not ashamed of the gospel, for it is the power of God for
salvation to everyone who believes, to the Jew first and also to the
Greek.-Romans 1:16
The only thing worse than being blind is having sight but no vision. —
Helen Keller

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