[SportsandRec] Campsites and Hiking Trails

Sanho Steele-Louchart sanho817 at gmail.com
Thu Jan 26 01:00:03 UTC 2023 

Joseph,

I'm going to do that. I'm surprised that the Sports and Rec list has
become a place where blind people tell me blindness makes living life
unsafe.

Sanho

On 1/25/23, Joseph Bundy via SportsandRec <sportsandrec at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> I would say try to find people who do or done it and ask them how they
> got to that point or how they discovered and if they can teach you.
> Maybe you can learn from their wins and losts. they can give you some
> wisdom.
>
> On 1/25/23, Sanho Steele-Louchart via SportsandRec
> <sportsandrec at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>> Ashley,
>>
>> Out of curiosity, how do you reconcile that perspective with the blind
>> people who've successfully been hiking and camping independently for
>> generations? I'm not saying we can or should do whatever strikes our
>> fancy with no planning or forethought, but I'm perplexed as to how
>> it's fundamentally unsafe, and yet some of us do it. Vision isn't the
>> common denominator because some of those folks are totally blind.
>> Maybe it's about skill development and appropriate risk analysis?
>>
>> Sanho
>>
>> On 1/25/23, Masha Sten Clanton via SportsandRec <sportsandrec at nfbnet.org>
>> wrote:
>>> I know the Independence Market has talking compasses. I bought one from
>>> them, but haven't tried it yet.
>>>
>>>
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: SportsandRec <sportsandrec-bounces at nfbnet.org> On Behalf Of Joseph
>>> Bundy via SportsandRec
>>> Sent: Wednesday, January 25, 2023 7:25 PM
>>> To: Sports and Recreation for the Blind Discussion List
>>> <sportsandrec at nfbnet.org>
>>> Cc: Joseph Bundy <joseph.bundy92 at gmail.com>
>>> Subject: Re: [SportsandRec] Campsites and Hiking Trails
>>>
>>> I have my phone and use it for music or keeping in contact with family.
>>> My
>>> friends and I use it if if we are in different parts of the camping
>>> ground
>>> and need to reach any other like if I need help navigating back because I
>>> went and took a shower and they didn't or something. But I try to use it
>>> as
>>> less as possible. I feel renewed and reconnected and recharged being in
>>> nature. Feels like I am at home or at peace more when I can focus on the
>>> sounds, smells, etc. I have looked at the braille super store and I
>>> haven't
>>> found anythere.
>>>
>>> On 1/25/23, Sanho Steele-Louchart via SportsandRec
>>> <sportsandrec at nfbnet.org>
>>> wrote:
>>>> Joseph and Ashley,
>>>>
>>>> The iPhone compass is exceptionally good and doesn't rely upon cell
>>>> signal or data to operate. Ashley, if you know of braille compasses
>>>> made and sold within the past ten years, I'd like to know about them.
>>>> I was a mobility specialist until a few years ago and I know of none
>>>> being sold anywhere in the world. If they're back on the market,
>>>> that's news to me.
>>>>
>>>> Sanho
>>>>
>>>> On 1/25/23, Joseph Bundy via SportsandRec <sportsandrec at nfbnet.org>
>>>> wrote:
>>>>> I don't mind using my phone compass but i don't know how well it
>>>>> works. And i try not to have my phone much while camping.
>>>>>
>>>>> I need to check that out. I know making prodcuts for the blind take
>>>>> more worker and extra features which cost more but sometimess it
>>>>> seems like the price is so high no one can afford it.
>>>>>
>>>>> On 1/25/23, Ashley Bramlett via SportsandRec
>>>>> <sportsandrec at nfbnet.org>
>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>> Hello Joseph,
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Braille compasses are available through blindness companies; I think
>>>>>> Independent Living aids has them and the NFB Independence Market.
>>>>>> I would guess talking compasses can be bought too there.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Yes, the Victor Trek is still being made. There is also a new stand
>>>>>> alone device from Humanware for GPS.
>>>>>> Its real expensive though but if you can afford it or have support
>>>>>> to buy it, the device has cameras to OCR  print and also take
>>>>>> pictures of the environment. It’s the Stellar Trek. The Stellar Trek
>>>>>> also uses artificial intelligence to describe the environment.
>>>>>> I'm not sure about landmarks with it. I do not know how useful it
>>>>>> would be at a camp site or trail. That is a good question for
>>>>>> Humanware staff.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> HTH,
>>>>>> Ashley
>>>>>>
>>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>>> From: Joseph Bundy via SportsandRec
>>>>>> Sent: Wednesday, January 25, 2023 4:12 PM
>>>>>> To: Sports and Recreation for the Blind Discussion List
>>>>>> Cc: Joseph Bundy
>>>>>> Subject: Re: [SportsandRec] Campsites and Hiking Trails
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I been trying to find a brialle or talking compass
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On 1/25/23, Joseph Bundy <joseph.bundy92 at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>> Do they still make the trek?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On 1/25/23, Tom Evans via SportsandRec <sportsandrec at nfbnet.org>
>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>> I think and please don’t quote me but the victor reader track, you
>>>>>>>> can set up your own markings as in your tent site is here and the
>>>>>>>> trail is here or like at a university your favorite meeting place
>>>>>>>> with friends is here.
>>>>>>>> Yet
>>>>>>>> you first have to get there. Tom
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> On Jan 25, 2023, at 12:31 PM, Nella Foster via SportsandRec
>>>>>>>>> <sportsandrec at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> Yes, I am so sad about Sound Scape.  It is the one I have been
>>>>>>>>> using most.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Nella
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>>>>>> From: SportsandRec <sportsandrec-bounces at nfbnet.org> On Behalf Of
>>>>>>>>> Sanho Steele-Louchart via SportsandRec
>>>>>>>>> Sent: Wednesday, January 25, 2023 2:23 PM
>>>>>>>>> To: Sports and Recreation for the Blind Discussion List
>>>>>>>>> <sportsandrec at nfbnet.org>
>>>>>>>>> Cc: Sanho Steele-Louchart <sanho817 at gmail.com>
>>>>>>>>> Subject: Re: [SportsandRec] Campsites and Hiking Trails
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Nella,
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> What I've historically used is Microsoft Soundscape, but it's no
>>>>>>>>> longer available for download and will no longer be operational
>>>>>>>>> at all in June.
>>>>>>>>> I
>>>>>>>>> have some programmer friends who are working on rebuilding it,
>>>>>>>>> but that's a heavy lift. I'll keep you informed. Otherwise I
>>>>>>>>> don't know of anything suitable for large, outdoor spaces.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Sanho
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> On 1/25/23, Nella Foster via SportsandRec
>>>>>>>>>> <sportsandrec at nfbnet.org>
>>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Also depending on how far out you are, you may not have cell
>>>>>>>>>> service.
>>>>>>>>>> This can be a real issue if you have an emergency.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> I have done quite a lot of hiking over the years and some of the
>>>>>>>>>> trails are almost impossible to follow without some sighted
>>>>>>>>>> assistance.  Heavy rains can wash out trails and make them even
>>>>>>>>>> harder to follow.  I find it easier to feel the trails with my
>>>>>>>>>> cane during the summer when the vegetation is thicker.  Well,
>>>>>>>>>> that is true now that I live in Missouri.  I used to live in
>>>>>>>>>> Arizona and there was a lot less vegetation.  You really didn't
>>>>>>>>>> want to bump into some of the vegetation in Arizona. Lol
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> I currently live in walking distance of a several hundred acre
>>>>>>>>>> park.
>>>>>>>>>> It has many rather easy hiking trails, but it is hard for me to
>>>>>>>>>> follow them with my cane, they tend to curve around and join up
>>>>>>>>>> with lots of different trails.
>>>>>>>>>> There are a few gravel roads that go through the park for park
>>>>>>>>>> employee use.
>>>>>>>>>> I am able to feel these roads with my cane and stay on them.  I
>>>>>>>>>> do walk to the park and walk on the gravel roads by myself.
>>>>>>>>>> Someday I hope to learn a couple of the hiking trails, there is
>>>>>>>>>> one that goes along the creek that I would like to be able to use.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> I'm curious to know if there are certain GPS apps that people
>>>>>>>>>> are using for hiking and other outdoor experiences.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Nella
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>>>>>>> From: SportsandRec <sportsandrec-bounces at nfbnet.org> On Behalf
>>>>>>>>>> Of Tom Evans via SportsandRec
>>>>>>>>>> Sent: Monday, January 23, 2023 12:39 PM
>>>>>>>>>> To: Sports and Recreation for the Blind Discussion List
>>>>>>>>>> <sportsandrec at nfbnet.org>
>>>>>>>>>> Cc: Tom Evans <tevans2003 at sbcglobal.net>
>>>>>>>>>> Subject: Re: [SportsandRec] Campsites and Hiking Trails
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Cited or unsighted it would never be recommended to go on your
>>>>>>>>>> own. I used to work on a mountain rescue team and the multiple
>>>>>>>>>> amounts of problems that there were. For one simple reason if
>>>>>>>>>> something happens to you then how to notify others. This isn’t
>>>>>>>>>> the beginning of a close call… Cited or non-cited it would not
>>>>>>>>>> be recommended to go on your own
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> On Jan 22, 2023, at 9:00 PM, Sanho Steele-Louchart via
>>>>>>>>>>> SportsandRec <sportsandrec at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Joseph,
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Located in central Oklahoma. No specific wants other than
>>>>>>>>>>> local. For hiking, I'd use my usual long, rigid cane and an
>>>>>>>>>>> equally long or longer trekking pole. I will definitely be
>>>>>>>>>>> going alone or with another totally blind person.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Warmth,
>>>>>>>>>>> Sanho
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> On 1/22/23, Joseph Bundy via SportsandRec
>>>>>>>>>>>> <sportsandrec at nfbnet.org>
>>>>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>> Where are you located? Are you wanting something easy hard?
>>>>>>>>>>>> Anything
>>>>>>>>>>>> particular you want in the camping area? I usually research or
>>>>>>>>>>>> ask people i know about places or ask them to describe
>>>>>>>>>>>> something from photos. Usually we got to places they been or
>>>>>>>>>>>> have good ptotos and reviews. I don't know how much vission
>>>>>>>>>>>> you have but if not much or none, i wouldn't go hiking alone
>>>>>>>>>>>> especially for the fist time. i haven't done it much but would
>>>>>>>>>>>> hate to go on a trail and discover a drop off the hard way. I
>>>>>>>>>>>> know some good places if you want to discuss places.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 1/22/23, Sanho Steele-Louchart via SportsandRec
>>>>>>>>>>>>> <sportsandrec at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>> All,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> I need to spend more time in nature. How do you folks
>>>>>>>>>>>>> choose/locate campsites and hiking trails for the first time?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Warmth,
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Sanho
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
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>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> --
>>>>>>>>>>>> Take Care and God Bless
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Joseph S. Bundy
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>>>>>>>>>>>> gospel, for it is the power of God for salvation to everyone
>>>>>>>>>>>> who believes, to the Jew first and also to the Greek.-Romans
>>>>>>>>>>>> 1:16 The only thing worse than being blind is having sight but
>>>>>>>>>>>> no vision. — Helen Keller
>>>>>>>>>>>>
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>>>>>>> Joseph S. Bundy
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>>>>>>> For I  am not ashamed of the gospel, for it is the power of God for
>>>>>>> salvation to everyone who believes, to the Jew first and also to
>>>>>>> the Greek.-Romans 1:16 The only thing worse than being blind is
>>>>>>> having sight but no vision. — Helen Keller
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
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>>>>>>
>>>>>> Joseph S. Bundy
>>>>>> Cell: 1-405-693-4771
>>>>>> E-Mail: josephbundy92 at gmail.com
>>>>>> For I  am not ashamed of the gospel, for it is the power of God for
>>>>>> salvation to everyone who believes, to the Jew first and also to the
>>>>>> Greek.-Romans 1:16 The only thing worse than being blind is having
>>>>>> sight but no vision. — Helen Keller
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>>>>>
>>>>> Joseph S. Bundy
>>>>> Cell: 1-405-693-4771
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>>>>> For I  am not ashamed of the gospel, for it is the power of God for
>>>>> salvation to everyone who believes, to the Jew first and also to the
>>>>> Greek.-Romans 1:16 The only thing worse than being blind is having
>>>>> sight but no vision. — Helen Keller
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> Joseph S. Bundy
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> The only thing worse than being blind is having sight but no vision. —
> Helen Keller
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