[SportsandRec] Campsites and Hiking Trails

Joseph Bundy joseph.bundy92 at gmail.com
Thu Jan 26 01:08:17 UTC 2023 

Sorry but that wasn't my intention of what I was sharing. Just want to
make sure people do there due diligence

On 1/25/23, Sanho Steele-Louchart via SportsandRec
<sportsandrec at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> Joseph,
>
> I'm going to do that. I'm surprised that the Sports and Rec list has
> become a place where blind people tell me blindness makes living life
> unsafe.
>
> Sanho
>
> On 1/25/23, Joseph Bundy via SportsandRec <sportsandrec at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>> I would say try to find people who do or done it and ask them how they
>> got to that point or how they discovered and if they can teach you.
>> Maybe you can learn from their wins and losts. they can give you some
>> wisdom.
>>
>> On 1/25/23, Sanho Steele-Louchart via SportsandRec
>> <sportsandrec at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>>> Ashley,
>>>
>>> Out of curiosity, how do you reconcile that perspective with the blind
>>> people who've successfully been hiking and camping independently for
>>> generations? I'm not saying we can or should do whatever strikes our
>>> fancy with no planning or forethought, but I'm perplexed as to how
>>> it's fundamentally unsafe, and yet some of us do it. Vision isn't the
>>> common denominator because some of those folks are totally blind.
>>> Maybe it's about skill development and appropriate risk analysis?
>>>
>>> Sanho
>>>
>>> On 1/25/23, Masha Sten Clanton via SportsandRec <sportsandrec at nfbnet.org>
>>> wrote:
>>>> I know the Independence Market has talking compasses. I bought one from
>>>> them, but haven't tried it yet.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>> From: SportsandRec <sportsandrec-bounces at nfbnet.org> On Behalf Of Joseph
>>>> Bundy via SportsandRec
>>>> Sent: Wednesday, January 25, 2023 7:25 PM
>>>> To: Sports and Recreation for the Blind Discussion List
>>>> <sportsandrec at nfbnet.org>
>>>> Cc: Joseph Bundy <joseph.bundy92 at gmail.com>
>>>> Subject: Re: [SportsandRec] Campsites and Hiking Trails
>>>>
>>>> I have my phone and use it for music or keeping in contact with family.
>>>> My
>>>> friends and I use it if if we are in different parts of the camping
>>>> ground
>>>> and need to reach any other like if I need help navigating back because
>>>> I
>>>> went and took a shower and they didn't or something. But I try to use it
>>>> as
>>>> less as possible. I feel renewed and reconnected and recharged being in
>>>> nature. Feels like I am at home or at peace more when I can focus on the
>>>> sounds, smells, etc. I have looked at the braille super store and I
>>>> haven't
>>>> found anythere.
>>>>
>>>> On 1/25/23, Sanho Steele-Louchart via SportsandRec
>>>> <sportsandrec at nfbnet.org>
>>>> wrote:
>>>>> Joseph and Ashley,
>>>>>
>>>>> The iPhone compass is exceptionally good and doesn't rely upon cell
>>>>> signal or data to operate. Ashley, if you know of braille compasses
>>>>> made and sold within the past ten years, I'd like to know about them.
>>>>> I was a mobility specialist until a few years ago and I know of none
>>>>> being sold anywhere in the world. If they're back on the market,
>>>>> that's news to me.
>>>>>
>>>>> Sanho
>>>>>
>>>>> On 1/25/23, Joseph Bundy via SportsandRec <sportsandrec at nfbnet.org>
>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>> I don't mind using my phone compass but i don't know how well it
>>>>>> works. And i try not to have my phone much while camping.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I need to check that out. I know making prodcuts for the blind take
>>>>>> more worker and extra features which cost more but sometimess it
>>>>>> seems like the price is so high no one can afford it.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On 1/25/23, Ashley Bramlett via SportsandRec
>>>>>> <sportsandrec at nfbnet.org>
>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>> Hello Joseph,
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Braille compasses are available through blindness companies; I think
>>>>>>> Independent Living aids has them and the NFB Independence Market.
>>>>>>> I would guess talking compasses can be bought too there.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Yes, the Victor Trek is still being made. There is also a new stand
>>>>>>> alone device from Humanware for GPS.
>>>>>>> Its real expensive though but if you can afford it or have support
>>>>>>> to buy it, the device has cameras to OCR  print and also take
>>>>>>> pictures of the environment. It’s the Stellar Trek. The Stellar Trek
>>>>>>> also uses artificial intelligence to describe the environment.
>>>>>>> I'm not sure about landmarks with it. I do not know how useful it
>>>>>>> would be at a camp site or trail. That is a good question for
>>>>>>> Humanware staff.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> HTH,
>>>>>>> Ashley
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>>>> From: Joseph Bundy via SportsandRec
>>>>>>> Sent: Wednesday, January 25, 2023 4:12 PM
>>>>>>> To: Sports and Recreation for the Blind Discussion List
>>>>>>> Cc: Joseph Bundy
>>>>>>> Subject: Re: [SportsandRec] Campsites and Hiking Trails
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I been trying to find a brialle or talking compass
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On 1/25/23, Joseph Bundy <joseph.bundy92 at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>> Do they still make the trek?
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> On 1/25/23, Tom Evans via SportsandRec <sportsandrec at nfbnet.org>
>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>> I think and please don’t quote me but the victor reader track, you
>>>>>>>>> can set up your own markings as in your tent site is here and the
>>>>>>>>> trail is here or like at a university your favorite meeting place
>>>>>>>>> with friends is here.
>>>>>>>>> Yet
>>>>>>>>> you first have to get there. Tom
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> On Jan 25, 2023, at 12:31 PM, Nella Foster via SportsandRec
>>>>>>>>>> <sportsandrec at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>> Yes, I am so sad about Sound Scape.  It is the one I have been
>>>>>>>>>> using most.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Nella
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>>>>>>> From: SportsandRec <sportsandrec-bounces at nfbnet.org> On Behalf Of
>>>>>>>>>> Sanho Steele-Louchart via SportsandRec
>>>>>>>>>> Sent: Wednesday, January 25, 2023 2:23 PM
>>>>>>>>>> To: Sports and Recreation for the Blind Discussion List
>>>>>>>>>> <sportsandrec at nfbnet.org>
>>>>>>>>>> Cc: Sanho Steele-Louchart <sanho817 at gmail.com>
>>>>>>>>>> Subject: Re: [SportsandRec] Campsites and Hiking Trails
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Nella,
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> What I've historically used is Microsoft Soundscape, but it's no
>>>>>>>>>> longer available for download and will no longer be operational
>>>>>>>>>> at all in June.
>>>>>>>>>> I
>>>>>>>>>> have some programmer friends who are working on rebuilding it,
>>>>>>>>>> but that's a heavy lift. I'll keep you informed. Otherwise I
>>>>>>>>>> don't know of anything suitable for large, outdoor spaces.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Sanho
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> On 1/25/23, Nella Foster via SportsandRec
>>>>>>>>>>> <sportsandrec at nfbnet.org>
>>>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Also depending on how far out you are, you may not have cell
>>>>>>>>>>> service.
>>>>>>>>>>> This can be a real issue if you have an emergency.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> I have done quite a lot of hiking over the years and some of the
>>>>>>>>>>> trails are almost impossible to follow without some sighted
>>>>>>>>>>> assistance.  Heavy rains can wash out trails and make them even
>>>>>>>>>>> harder to follow.  I find it easier to feel the trails with my
>>>>>>>>>>> cane during the summer when the vegetation is thicker.  Well,
>>>>>>>>>>> that is true now that I live in Missouri.  I used to live in
>>>>>>>>>>> Arizona and there was a lot less vegetation.  You really didn't
>>>>>>>>>>> want to bump into some of the vegetation in Arizona. Lol
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> I currently live in walking distance of a several hundred acre
>>>>>>>>>>> park.
>>>>>>>>>>> It has many rather easy hiking trails, but it is hard for me to
>>>>>>>>>>> follow them with my cane, they tend to curve around and join up
>>>>>>>>>>> with lots of different trails.
>>>>>>>>>>> There are a few gravel roads that go through the park for park
>>>>>>>>>>> employee use.
>>>>>>>>>>> I am able to feel these roads with my cane and stay on them.  I
>>>>>>>>>>> do walk to the park and walk on the gravel roads by myself.
>>>>>>>>>>> Someday I hope to learn a couple of the hiking trails, there is
>>>>>>>>>>> one that goes along the creek that I would like to be able to
>>>>>>>>>>> use.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> I'm curious to know if there are certain GPS apps that people
>>>>>>>>>>> are using for hiking and other outdoor experiences.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Nella
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>>>>>>>> From: SportsandRec <sportsandrec-bounces at nfbnet.org> On Behalf
>>>>>>>>>>> Of Tom Evans via SportsandRec
>>>>>>>>>>> Sent: Monday, January 23, 2023 12:39 PM
>>>>>>>>>>> To: Sports and Recreation for the Blind Discussion List
>>>>>>>>>>> <sportsandrec at nfbnet.org>
>>>>>>>>>>> Cc: Tom Evans <tevans2003 at sbcglobal.net>
>>>>>>>>>>> Subject: Re: [SportsandRec] Campsites and Hiking Trails
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Cited or unsighted it would never be recommended to go on your
>>>>>>>>>>> own. I used to work on a mountain rescue team and the multiple
>>>>>>>>>>> amounts of problems that there were. For one simple reason if
>>>>>>>>>>> something happens to you then how to notify others. This isn’t
>>>>>>>>>>> the beginning of a close call… Cited or non-cited it would not
>>>>>>>>>>> be recommended to go on your own
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> On Jan 22, 2023, at 9:00 PM, Sanho Steele-Louchart via
>>>>>>>>>>>> SportsandRec <sportsandrec at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Joseph,
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Located in central Oklahoma. No specific wants other than
>>>>>>>>>>>> local. For hiking, I'd use my usual long, rigid cane and an
>>>>>>>>>>>> equally long or longer trekking pole. I will definitely be
>>>>>>>>>>>> going alone or with another totally blind person.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Warmth,
>>>>>>>>>>>> Sanho
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 1/22/23, Joseph Bundy via SportsandRec
>>>>>>>>>>>>> <sportsandrec at nfbnet.org>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Where are you located? Are you wanting something easy hard?
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Anything
>>>>>>>>>>>>> particular you want in the camping area? I usually research or
>>>>>>>>>>>>> ask people i know about places or ask them to describe
>>>>>>>>>>>>> something from photos. Usually we got to places they been or
>>>>>>>>>>>>> have good ptotos and reviews. I don't know how much vission
>>>>>>>>>>>>> you have but if not much or none, i wouldn't go hiking alone
>>>>>>>>>>>>> especially for the fist time. i haven't done it much but would
>>>>>>>>>>>>> hate to go on a trail and discover a drop off the hard way. I
>>>>>>>>>>>>> know some good places if you want to discuss places.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 1/22/23, Sanho Steele-Louchart via SportsandRec
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> <sportsandrec at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> All,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I need to spend more time in nature. How do you folks
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> choose/locate campsites and hiking trails for the first time?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Warmth,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Sanho
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> --
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>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> --
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Take Care and God Bless
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Joseph S. Bundy
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>>>>>>>>>>>>> E-Mail: josephbundy92 at gmail.com For I  am not ashamed of the
>>>>>>>>>>>>> gospel, for it is the power of God for salvation to everyone
>>>>>>>>>>>>> who believes, to the Jew first and also to the Greek.-Romans
>>>>>>>>>>>>> 1:16 The only thing worse than being blind is having sight but
>>>>>>>>>>>>> no vision. — Helen Keller
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>>>>>>>> Joseph S. Bundy
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>>>>>>>> For I  am not ashamed of the gospel, for it is the power of God for
>>>>>>>> salvation to everyone who believes, to the Jew first and also to
>>>>>>>> the Greek.-Romans 1:16 The only thing worse than being blind is
>>>>>>>> having sight but no vision. — Helen Keller
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>>>>>>> Joseph S. Bundy
>>>>>>> Cell: 1-405-693-4771
>>>>>>> E-Mail: josephbundy92 at gmail.com
>>>>>>> For I  am not ashamed of the gospel, for it is the power of God for
>>>>>>> salvation to everyone who believes, to the Jew first and also to the
>>>>>>> Greek.-Romans 1:16 The only thing worse than being blind is having
>>>>>>> sight but no vision. — Helen Keller
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>>>>>>
>>>>>> Joseph S. Bundy
>>>>>> Cell: 1-405-693-4771
>>>>>> E-Mail: josephbundy92 at gmail.com
>>>>>> For I  am not ashamed of the gospel, for it is the power of God for
>>>>>> salvation to everyone who believes, to the Jew first and also to the
>>>>>> Greek.-Romans 1:16 The only thing worse than being blind is having
>>>>>> sight but no vision. — Helen Keller
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>>>> salvation to everyone who believes, to the Jew first and also to the
>>>> Greek.-Romans 1:16 The only thing worse than being blind is having sight
>>>> but
>>>> no vision. — Helen Keller
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>> Joseph S. Bundy
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>> For I  am not ashamed of the gospel, for it is the power of God for
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>> Greek.-Romans 1:16
>> The only thing worse than being blind is having sight but no vision. —
>> Helen Keller
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Greek.-Romans 1:16
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