[stylist] A New Member

Angela fowler fowlers at syix.com
Sun Dec 28 02:32:55 UTC 2008


There are a few blind rehab councilors in CA, down south. Don't know how
many, but they're there. 

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From: stylist-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:stylist-bounces at nfbnet.org] On
Behalf Of David Andrews
Sent: Saturday, December 27, 2008 5:51 PM
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We have blind rehab counselors in Minnesota.  We provide them with drivers,
as needed, a reasonable accommodation.  They are only in the field part of
the time, so providing the drivers isn't a big deal.

There have been blind counselors for a long time, and if New York has none,
something is really wrong.

Dave

At 06:40 PM 12/27/2008, you wrote:
>Every counsellor I've had with the commission for the blind has been 
>sighted.  They are required to drive to their clients.  Obviously blind 
>people cannot fill these roles.  However, in teaching blind people to 
>use adaptive equipment blind individuals do this in facilities for the 
>blind.  I work with other handicaps, mostly mental disabilities, but 
>have never worked with a blind person in rehabilitation.  Yes, we have 
>a blind governor in New York State but he doesn't use adaptive 
>equipment,, walk with a white cane or read braille.  I just keep 
>forging ahead with my own thing.  Judith
>----- Original Message ----- From: "John Lee Clark" 
><johnlee at clarktouch.com>
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>>Judith:
>>
>>Deafness is an invisible to most.  Deaf people can spot a deaf person 
>>a mile away with the way their eyes move, but most hearing people 
>>don't know anything until they'[re spoken to but don't respond, or if 
>>they see them signing.
>>
>>Blindness is more visible, certainly.
>>
>>But more accepted?  Maybe as objects of sexual desire, but other than 
>>that, there's this difference in language.  Blind people speak the 
>>same language with the mainstream.  For this reason, I think blind 
>>people have greater potential for employment.  However, blind 
>>unemployment is far higher than deaf unemployment.
>>
>>I think blind people are in higher positions, but deaf people have 
>>more jobs, just not as many in very high positions.  There are several 
>>"industries" suited especially for deaf people.  One is the ASL 
>>teaching industry.  As the second most popular foreign language and 
>>the fastest growing, there are more than twenty thousand ASL teachers in
the country.
>>This industry includes performers for ASL videos, writers of ASL 
>>textbooks, tutors, etc.  Then there is the relay services industry.  
>>Text relay, CapTel, and most popular, video relay.  This is a 
>>multi-billion dollar industry and employs many deaf people in 
>>administration, training, and marketing.  A third source of employment 
>>is working for the states, for departments of human services and 
>>commissions and social work and also teaching in the state schools for 
>>the deaf.  You understand, most services provided to the deaf are 
>>provided by deaf people, too.  Not many hearing people are capable or 
>>qualified to teach deaf children, give counseling, train, whatever.
>>
>>But outside of these areas and other smaller businesses geared toward 
>>the deaf, they don't have much headway.  We don't have a deaf judge or 
>>a deaf governor, but you've got blind people in those positions.
>>
>>I may be wrong but low blind employment may have to do with the fact 
>>blind people are not required for meeting the needs of or providing 
>>services to the blind.  Maybe you've got a good source of employment 
>>in vocational rehabilitation, but to me, it seems there are way too 
>>many sighted teachers, trainers, counselors, and technicians that work 
>>with blind people.  And is the fact that blindness is a great deal 
>>with SSDI a factor for the high unemployment?  Deaf people can only 
>>earn up to eight hundred dollars per month if they want to keep their 
>>SSDI, whereas blind people can earn up to twice that.  So it is more 
>>in the interest for the deaf to seek full time jobs and less in the
interest for the blind to do the same.
>>
>>What do you think?
>>
>>John
>>
>>
>>
>>
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>>-----Original Message-----
>>From: stylist-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:stylist-bounces at nfbnet.org] 
>>On Behalf Of Judith Bron
>>Sent: Saturday, December 27, 2008 5:16 PM
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>>Subject: Re: [stylist] A New Member
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>>Could it be that deafness is more acceptable than blindness is that 
>>deaf people don't look different?  In many cases the blind person's 
>>eyes look different from the sighted person's eyes.  Judith
>>----- Original Message ----- From: "Donna Hill" <penatwork at epix.net>
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>>Sent: Friday, December 26, 2008 6:45 PM
>>Subject: Re: [stylist] A New Member
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>>>John,
>>>I understand your perspective and I am writing a novel with a blind 
>>>character, but having grown up trying to be sighted and being taught 
>>>to be
>>
>>>sighted, I have information from that world as well and have written 
>>>some fiction with non blind characters, simply to avoid having the 
>>>story be about blindness, when the real point is more complicated as 
>>>well as universal.
>>>
>>>I also can't help wondering, especially reading this particular post, 
>>>about the difference between the blind and deaf communities.  If the 
>>>blind
>>
>>>community were as large, independent and self-integrated as the deaf 
>>>community and if blindness were as socially acceptable as deafness -- 
>>>i.e., Marly Maitlin is a superstar and the only blind woman anyone 
>>>knows is Helen Keller who died over fifty years ago, well, perhaps 
>>>there would be a market for blindness-related literature.
>>>Donna
>>>
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>>>John Lee Clark wrote:
>>>>Shelley:
>>>>
>>>>Aside from my six-year run as publisher of my own publishing 
>>>>operation, I have been involved in the publishing world for twelve 
>>>>years.  I've worked with many, many writers, about half of them 
>>>>hearing sighted and the other deaf sighted with a few deafblind.  
>>>>While the quality of the writing always plays a role in whether or 
>>>>not something gets published, the deaf writers'
>>>>writing from the deaf perspective is always, always an advantage.
>>>>
>>>>No, I don't mean one needs to make a conscious effort to write "about"
>>>>being
>>>>deaf, in the didactic sense.  Just write about life--love, crime, 
>>>>family, whatever--but through deaf eyes, drawing from the deaf 
>>>>writer's own observations and sensations.  Ha Jin, the well-known 
>>>>writer, made the point in his latest book that there are too many 
>>>>writers who write about stuff they learned in a secondhand fashion, 
>>>>and readers can pick it up, even though they may not be conscious.  
>>>>The writer's describing his or her own genuine observations and 
>>>>experiences for the purpose of describing things
>>
>>>>is
>>>>very important and lends the work with an aura of, a vibe exuding 
>>>>authenticity.
>>>>
>>>>So that's one benefit of writing exactly what you know.  Another 
>>>>boon to any writer is any type of outsiderhood.  If you look back on 
>>>>the annals of literature, those who are "different" from the 
>>>>establishment population but don't write from that different 
>>>>perspective don't get published often, or
>>
>>>>if
>>>>they do, their work wears off quickly and they are forgotten.  Take 
>>>>the example of Thomas Caldwell, who was deaf, but wrote as if he 
>>>>wasn't. Who knows him now?  Or take Richard Wright, a wonderful and 
>>>>groundbreaking African American writer.  All of his books are still 
>>>>in print, except one, and that was the only book he wrote about only 
>>>>white people.
>>>>
>>>>You understand, there are tens of thousands sighted people writing 
>>>>and trying to get published.  So I cannot imagine any use in adding 
>>>>more of the same types of material to that pot.  There are only a 
>>>>limited number of genres and plots, and they all have been done over 
>>>>and over again.  But if you're blind, and you're privileged to have 
>>>>different sensations and a different touch in your observations, 
>>>>that's quite a blessing and will help your work stand out amidst the 
>>>>awful racket of the same old, same old that editors endure reading 
>>>>through week after week.
>>>>
>>>>Now, my deaf writer friends, they all have found their most 
>>>>important and rewarding publishing credits through their deaf 
>>>>material.  Many of them, before they started workring with me, wrote 
>>>>only mainstream stuff, thinking they would have a better chance.  
>>>>Not so.  Take Raymond Luczak: He has written over forty plays, but 
>>>>only twelve with deaf characters. Thirteen
>>
>>>>of
>>>>his plays have been produced.  All twelve deaf plays and one not 
>>>>make up the thirteen, leaving the rest of his "hearing" plays still 
>>>>collecting dust.
>>>>He
>>>>has written four novels, only one with deaf characters.  No 
>>>>surprise: The three mainstream works remain unpublished and the deaf 
>>>>one won a prestigious fellowship and also a national first-novel 
>>>>contest and will be coming out soon.  Raymond's "hearing" stuff is 
>>>>good and worthy of publication, but the problem is that there are so 
>>>>many equally good stuff these days, because there are so many 
>>>>well-trained writers from all those MFA programs.
>>>>Those
>>>>who get published are the ones with unique voices, original twists, 
>>>>or those who bring to the reader authentic tastes of different 
>>>>worlds.
>>>>
>>>>I once got a story from a good deaf writer.  It was about the 
>>>>Titanic. A couple gets separated at the end, the woman rowed away 
>>>>while the man sinks with the ship.  It was wonderfully researched 
>>>>and detailed.  The writing was smooth and luminous.  In all the 
>>>>fundamental areas, it was a superb story.
>>>>But it was never picked up, and the deaf writer could not understand 
>>>>why not, since it was one of her very best efforts.  The reason, of 
>>>>course, is that the Titanic as the backdrop for a love story has 
>>>>been done to death.
>>>>It was already worn threadbare even before that movie with Leo and Kate.
>>>>But what if the couple was deaf?  They wake up because of the great 
>>>>commotion outside their room sending vibrations to them.  They ask 
>>>>each other what's going on.  Outside their room, they see people
running.
>>>>They
>>>>try to get someone to write to them on a notepad, but they're all 
>>>>panicked.
>>>>So they have to investigate, and gradually, from all the visual 
>>>>information, they begin to understand.  A sailor tries to put the 
>>>>deaf woman in line for getting on a lifeboat, but she doesn't want 
>>>>to be separated from her husband.  All sorts of misunderstandings, 
>>>>issues, correctives, etc.
>>>>occur.
>>>>And at the end, a twist on the classic separation thing: The deaf 
>>>>woman decides to sink with her husband, so strong is their bond with 
>>>>each other
>>
>>>>as
>>>>they come from a small community and the deaf woman cannot imagine 
>>>>venturing out on her own amidst all those hearing strangers.
>>>>Now, isn't that a much better story?  A blind couple on the Titanic 
>>>>would likewise be much better than the mainstream version and would 
>>>>definitely stand out!
>>>>
>>>>Incidentally, some of the hearing writers I've worked with but who 
>>>>have connectins to the Deaf world, they also have found greater 
>>>>success in publishing their work relating to the Deaf world as 
>>>>opposed to their more mainstream fare.  Take Morgan Grayce Willow, 
>>>>an ASL interpreter.  Her biggest book credit is her work on 
>>>>interpreting.  Her most prestigious magazine credit is for her essay 
>>>>"Double Language," about her experiences
>>
>>>>as
>>>>an interpreter.  She has published other stuff, but with much more 
>>>>difficulty and less compensation.  Or take Pia Taavila, a wonderful 
>>>>poet and professor of English, who is the daughter of deaf parents, 
>>>>or a CODA as we call people like her--Children of Deaf Adults.  She 
>>>>has written both mainstream stuff and stuff having to do with her 
>>>>upbringing in a Deaf home and her continued link with the Deaf 
>>>>community.  You guessed it again:
>>>>Her
>>>>Deaf-related poems are more readily published and get higher praise.
>>>>
>>>>It is not that they can't get published without the deaf material.  
>>>>They can and have.  But it is against greater, much greater odds 
>>>>that they do.
>>>>Here
>>>>and there, they are able to be heard, able to be distinguished from 
>>>>the rest clamoring for the same editor's attention.  And it's not 
>>>>that writing from a different perspective will automatically get you 
>>>>published.  The writing still has to be good.  But it is a huge 
>>>>advantage in arresting the editor's attention, curiosity, and 
>>>>interest.
>>>>
>>>>I don't know how the deaf writers could possibly try to write 
>>>>mainstream stuff, or how you could avoid writing as a blind writer, 
>>>>but I never could, never wanted to.  It feels fake and contrived to 
>>>>me.  It would take too much effort to pretend, to write about 
>>>>auditory things I never heard, to write visual descriptions of what 
>>>>I have never seen.  I am of the opinion that "'catering" to the 
>>>>mainstream audience is self-defeating, because there are many 
>>>>writers that produce mainstream stuff and it's not like they're 
>>>>"catering" but they're genuine because they ARE mainstream.  I have 
>>>>always written straight from who and what I am.  And I am not 
>>>>complaining about my inability to write mainstream stuff because 
>>>>I've been published in POETRY magazine twice, while there are 
>>>>thousands of poets who can only dream about ever getting there; I've 
>>>>been published in McSWEENEY'S, America's most hip literary journal; 
>>>>I've won all those awards; my work has been broadcast on radio, 
>>>>including on the "Poem of the Day" program on Martha Stewart; I'm 
>>>>being interviewed by someone from The New Yorker right now; I've 
>>>>been a featured poet at an international cultural arts festival, flown
there
>>>>first-class and with all expenses paid . . .   so I guess I must be
doing
>>>>something right.
>>>>
>>>>No, that was not to brag at all.  That was purely to make my point, 
>>>>to make my case for writing from a different angle, and to encourage 
>>>>you and others to try doing that.  Hey, it can't hurt to try, can 
>>>>it?
>>>>
>>>>John
>>>>
>>>>
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