[stylist] A New Member

Shelley J. Alongi qobells at roadrunner.com
Sun Dec 28 02:52:01 UTC 2008 

When I was having rehab pay it was the state university system. They told me 
my major, music, was unmarketable. I didn't care much about that. I do what 
I want even if it's the hard way some times. So far I've been extremely 
fortunate. I don't know if it's just because of my personality or because 
I've met people with more openminded approaches but I've got a pretty good 
job and I'm sure I could get a better one if I wanted. I work for Disney, 
get transcript work from the university here, and sell Pampered Chef when I 
can. I decided not to go into accademia as a profession and I've never 
wanted to go into the service providing industry for blind people. I just 
want to be blind doing whatever I do and so far it has worked out nicely.
Shelley J. Alongi
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updated Dec 7, 2008
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Angela fowler" <fowlers at syix.com>
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Sent: Saturday, December 27, 2008 6:43 PM
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> Particularly since California rehab will only pay community college rates
> for the first couple years of school. You'd think they never heard of
> consumer choice.
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: stylist-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:stylist-bounces at nfbnet.org] On
> Behalf Of Shelley J. Alongi
> Sent: Saturday, December 27, 2008 6:37 PM
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> Subject: Re: [stylist] A New Member
>
> I had a blind rehab counsellor twenty years ago when I was just entering
> college. Ultimately I chose not to have rehab pay for my college. Long 
> long
> story. The counsellor is still around here somewhere and he had a driver.
> There is at least one rehab counsellor here in Orange County and he's 
> blind
> and I can't stand him. His personality doesn't lend itself to being a 
> rehab
> counsellor. I choose not to work with agencies. I need a broader
> perspective.
> Shelley J. Alongi
> Your Lifelong Pampered Chef Consultant With Bells On!
> Home Office: (714)869-3207
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> Chef http://www.pamperedchef.biz/shellbellskit
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> updated Dec 7, 2008
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> From: "Angela fowler" <fowlers at syix.com>
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>> There are a few blind rehab councilors in CA, down south. Don't know how
>> many, but they're there.
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: stylist-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:stylist-bounces at nfbnet.org] On
>> Behalf Of David Andrews
>> Sent: Saturday, December 27, 2008 5:51 PM
>> To: NFBnet Writer's Division Mailing List
>> Subject: Re: [stylist] A New Member
>>
>> We have blind rehab counselors in Minnesota.  We provide them with
>> drivers,
>> as needed, a reasonable accommodation.  They are only in the field part 
>> of
>> the time, so providing the drivers isn't a big deal.
>>
>> There have been blind counselors for a long time, and if New York has
>> none,
>> something is really wrong.
>>
>> Dave
>>
>> At 06:40 PM 12/27/2008, you wrote:
>>>Every counsellor I've had with the commission for the blind has been
>>>sighted.  They are required to drive to their clients.  Obviously blind
>>>people cannot fill these roles.  However, in teaching blind people to
>>>use adaptive equipment blind individuals do this in facilities for the
>>>blind.  I work with other handicaps, mostly mental disabilities, but
>>>have never worked with a blind person in rehabilitation.  Yes, we have
>>>a blind governor in New York State but he doesn't use adaptive
>>>equipment,, walk with a white cane or read braille.  I just keep
>>>forging ahead with my own thing.  Judith
>>>----- Original Message ----- From: "John Lee Clark"
>>><johnlee at clarktouch.com>
>>>To: "'NFBnet Writer's Division Mailing List'" <stylist at nfbnet.org>
>>>Sent: Saturday, December 27, 2008 6:58 PM
>>>Subject: Re: [stylist] A New Member
>>>
>>>
>>>>Judith:
>>>>
>>>>Deafness is an invisible to most.  Deaf people can spot a deaf person
>>>>a mile away with the way their eyes move, but most hearing people
>>>>don't know anything until they'[re spoken to but don't respond, or if
>>>>they see them signing.
>>>>
>>>>Blindness is more visible, certainly.
>>>>
>>>>But more accepted?  Maybe as objects of sexual desire, but other than
>>>>that, there's this difference in language.  Blind people speak the
>>>>same language with the mainstream.  For this reason, I think blind
>>>>people have greater potential for employment.  However, blind
>>>>unemployment is far higher than deaf unemployment.
>>>>
>>>>I think blind people are in higher positions, but deaf people have
>>>>more jobs, just not as many in very high positions.  There are several
>>>>"industries" suited especially for deaf people.  One is the ASL
>>>>teaching industry.  As the second most popular foreign language and
>>>>the fastest growing, there are more than twenty thousand ASL teachers in
>> the country.
>>>>This industry includes performers for ASL videos, writers of ASL
>>>>textbooks, tutors, etc.  Then there is the relay services industry.
>>>>Text relay, CapTel, and most popular, video relay.  This is a
>>>>multi-billion dollar industry and employs many deaf people in
>>>>administration, training, and marketing.  A third source of employment
>>>>is working for the states, for departments of human services and
>>>>commissions and social work and also teaching in the state schools for
>>>>the deaf.  You understand, most services provided to the deaf are
>>>>provided by deaf people, too.  Not many hearing people are capable or
>>>>qualified to teach deaf children, give counseling, train, whatever.
>>>>
>>>>But outside of these areas and other smaller businesses geared toward
>>>>the deaf, they don't have much headway.  We don't have a deaf judge or
>>>>a deaf governor, but you've got blind people in those positions.
>>>>
>>>>I may be wrong but low blind employment may have to do with the fact
>>>>blind people are not required for meeting the needs of or providing
>>>>services to the blind.  Maybe you've got a good source of employment
>>>>in vocational rehabilitation, but to me, it seems there are way too
>>>>many sighted teachers, trainers, counselors, and technicians that work
>>>>with blind people.  And is the fact that blindness is a great deal
>>>>with SSDI a factor for the high unemployment?  Deaf people can only
>>>>earn up to eight hundred dollars per month if they want to keep their
>>>>SSDI, whereas blind people can earn up to twice that.  So it is more
>>>>in the interest for the deaf to seek full time jobs and less in the
>> interest for the blind to do the same.
>>>>
>>>>What do you think?
>>>>
>>>>John
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>-----Original Message-----
>>>>From: stylist-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:stylist-bounces at nfbnet.org]
>>>>On Behalf Of Judith Bron
>>>>Sent: Saturday, December 27, 2008 5:16 PM
>>>>To: NFBnet Writer's Division Mailing List
>>>>Subject: Re: [stylist] A New Member
>>>>
>>>>Could it be that deafness is more acceptable than blindness is that
>>>>deaf people don't look different?  In many cases the blind person's
>>>>eyes look different from the sighted person's eyes.  Judith
>>>>----- Original Message ----- From: "Donna Hill" <penatwork at epix.net>
>>>>To: "NFBnet Writer's Division Mailing List" <stylist at nfbnet.org>
>>>>Sent: Friday, December 26, 2008 6:45 PM
>>>>Subject: Re: [stylist] A New Member
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>John,
>>>>>I understand your perspective and I am writing a novel with a blind
>>>>>character, but having grown up trying to be sighted and being taught
>>>>>to be
>>>>
>>>>>sighted, I have information from that world as well and have written
>>>>>some fiction with non blind characters, simply to avoid having the
>>>>>story be about blindness, when the real point is more complicated as
>>>>>well as universal.
>>>>>
>>>>>I also can't help wondering, especially reading this particular post,
>>>>>about the difference between the blind and deaf communities.  If the
>>>>>blind
>>>>
>>>>>community were as large, independent and self-integrated as the deaf
>>>>>community and if blindness were as socially acceptable as deafness -- 
>>>>>i.e., Marly Maitlin is a superstar and the only blind woman anyone
>>>>>knows is Helen Keller who died over fifty years ago, well, perhaps
>>>>>there would be a market for blindness-related literature.
>>>>>Donna
>>>>>
>>>>>--
>>>>>For my bio & to hear clips from The Last Straw:
>>>>>http://cdbaby.com/cd/donnahill
>>>>>
>>>>>Apple I-Tunes
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>>>>>4374
>>>>>
>>>>>Performing Arts Division of the National Federation of the Blind
>>>>>www.padnfb.org
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>John Lee Clark wrote:
>>>>>>Shelley:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>Aside from my six-year run as publisher of my own publishing
>>>>>>operation, I have been involved in the publishing world for twelve
>>>>>>years.  I've worked with many, many writers, about half of them
>>>>>>hearing sighted and the other deaf sighted with a few deafblind.
>>>>>>While the quality of the writing always plays a role in whether or
>>>>>>not something gets published, the deaf writers'
>>>>>>writing from the deaf perspective is always, always an advantage.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>No, I don't mean one needs to make a conscious effort to write "about"
>>>>>>being
>>>>>>deaf, in the didactic sense.  Just write about life--love, crime,
>>>>>>family, whatever--but through deaf eyes, drawing from the deaf
>>>>>>writer's own observations and sensations.  Ha Jin, the well-known
>>>>>>writer, made the point in his latest book that there are too many
>>>>>>writers who write about stuff they learned in a secondhand fashion,
>>>>>>and readers can pick it up, even though they may not be conscious.
>>>>>>The writer's describing his or her own genuine observations and
>>>>>>experiences for the purpose of describing things
>>>>
>>>>>>is
>>>>>>very important and lends the work with an aura of, a vibe exuding
>>>>>>authenticity.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>So that's one benefit of writing exactly what you know.  Another
>>>>>>boon to any writer is any type of outsiderhood.  If you look back on
>>>>>>the annals of literature, those who are "different" from the
>>>>>>establishment population but don't write from that different
>>>>>>perspective don't get published often, or
>>>>
>>>>>>if
>>>>>>they do, their work wears off quickly and they are forgotten.  Take
>>>>>>the example of Thomas Caldwell, who was deaf, but wrote as if he
>>>>>>wasn't. Who knows him now?  Or take Richard Wright, a wonderful and
>>>>>>groundbreaking African American writer.  All of his books are still
>>>>>>in print, except one, and that was the only book he wrote about only
>>>>>>white people.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>You understand, there are tens of thousands sighted people writing
>>>>>>and trying to get published.  So I cannot imagine any use in adding
>>>>>>more of the same types of material to that pot.  There are only a
>>>>>>limited number of genres and plots, and they all have been done over
>>>>>>and over again.  But if you're blind, and you're privileged to have
>>>>>>different sensations and a different touch in your observations,
>>>>>>that's quite a blessing and will help your work stand out amidst the
>>>>>>awful racket of the same old, same old that editors endure reading
>>>>>>through week after week.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>Now, my deaf writer friends, they all have found their most
>>>>>>important and rewarding publishing credits through their deaf
>>>>>>material.  Many of them, before they started workring with me, wrote
>>>>>>only mainstream stuff, thinking they would have a better chance.
>>>>>>Not so.  Take Raymond Luczak: He has written over forty plays, but
>>>>>>only twelve with deaf characters. Thirteen
>>>>
>>>>>>of
>>>>>>his plays have been produced.  All twelve deaf plays and one not
>>>>>>make up the thirteen, leaving the rest of his "hearing" plays still
>>>>>>collecting dust.
>>>>>>He
>>>>>>has written four novels, only one with deaf characters.  No
>>>>>>surprise: The three mainstream works remain unpublished and the deaf
>>>>>>one won a prestigious fellowship and also a national first-novel
>>>>>>contest and will be coming out soon.  Raymond's "hearing" stuff is
>>>>>>good and worthy of publication, but the problem is that there are so
>>>>>>many equally good stuff these days, because there are so many
>>>>>>well-trained writers from all those MFA programs.
>>>>>>Those
>>>>>>who get published are the ones with unique voices, original twists,
>>>>>>or those who bring to the reader authentic tastes of different
>>>>>>worlds.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>I once got a story from a good deaf writer.  It was about the
>>>>>>Titanic. A couple gets separated at the end, the woman rowed away
>>>>>>while the man sinks with the ship.  It was wonderfully researched
>>>>>>and detailed.  The writing was smooth and luminous.  In all the
>>>>>>fundamental areas, it was a superb story.
>>>>>>But it was never picked up, and the deaf writer could not understand
>>>>>>why not, since it was one of her very best efforts.  The reason, of
>>>>>>course, is that the Titanic as the backdrop for a love story has
>>>>>>been done to death.
>>>>>>It was already worn threadbare even before that movie with Leo and
>>>>>>Kate.
>>>>>>But what if the couple was deaf?  They wake up because of the great
>>>>>>commotion outside their room sending vibrations to them.  They ask
>>>>>>each other what's going on.  Outside their room, they see people
>> running.
>>>>>>They
>>>>>>try to get someone to write to them on a notepad, but they're all
>>>>>>panicked.
>>>>>>So they have to investigate, and gradually, from all the visual
>>>>>>information, they begin to understand.  A sailor tries to put the
>>>>>>deaf woman in line for getting on a lifeboat, but she doesn't want
>>>>>>to be separated from her husband.  All sorts of misunderstandings,
>>>>>>issues, correctives, etc.
>>>>>>occur.
>>>>>>And at the end, a twist on the classic separation thing: The deaf
>>>>>>woman decides to sink with her husband, so strong is their bond with
>>>>>>each other
>>>>
>>>>>>as
>>>>>>they come from a small community and the deaf woman cannot imagine
>>>>>>venturing out on her own amidst all those hearing strangers.
>>>>>>Now, isn't that a much better story?  A blind couple on the Titanic
>>>>>>would likewise be much better than the mainstream version and would
>>>>>>definitely stand out!
>>>>>>
>>>>>>Incidentally, some of the hearing writers I've worked with but who
>>>>>>have connectins to the Deaf world, they also have found greater
>>>>>>success in publishing their work relating to the Deaf world as
>>>>>>opposed to their more mainstream fare.  Take Morgan Grayce Willow,
>>>>>>an ASL interpreter.  Her biggest book credit is her work on
>>>>>>interpreting.  Her most prestigious magazine credit is for her essay
>>>>>>"Double Language," about her experiences
>>>>
>>>>>>as
>>>>>>an interpreter.  She has published other stuff, but with much more
>>>>>>difficulty and less compensation.  Or take Pia Taavila, a wonderful
>>>>>>poet and professor of English, who is the daughter of deaf parents,
>>>>>>or a CODA as we call people like her--Children of Deaf Adults.  She
>>>>>>has written both mainstream stuff and stuff having to do with her
>>>>>>upbringing in a Deaf home and her continued link with the Deaf
>>>>>>community.  You guessed it again:
>>>>>>Her
>>>>>>Deaf-related poems are more readily published and get higher praise.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>It is not that they can't get published without the deaf material.
>>>>>>They can and have.  But it is against greater, much greater odds
>>>>>>that they do.
>>>>>>Here
>>>>>>and there, they are able to be heard, able to be distinguished from
>>>>>>the rest clamoring for the same editor's attention.  And it's not
>>>>>>that writing from a different perspective will automatically get you
>>>>>>published.  The writing still has to be good.  But it is a huge
>>>>>>advantage in arresting the editor's attention, curiosity, and
>>>>>>interest.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>I don't know how the deaf writers could possibly try to write
>>>>>>mainstream stuff, or how you could avoid writing as a blind writer,
>>>>>>but I never could, never wanted to.  It feels fake and contrived to
>>>>>>me.  It would take too much effort to pretend, to write about
>>>>>>auditory things I never heard, to write visual descriptions of what
>>>>>>I have never seen.  I am of the opinion that "'catering" to the
>>>>>>mainstream audience is self-defeating, because there are many
>>>>>>writers that produce mainstream stuff and it's not like they're
>>>>>>"catering" but they're genuine because they ARE mainstream.  I have
>>>>>>always written straight from who and what I am.  And I am not
>>>>>>complaining about my inability to write mainstream stuff because
>>>>>>I've been published in POETRY magazine twice, while there are
>>>>>>thousands of poets who can only dream about ever getting there; I've
>>>>>>been published in McSWEENEY'S, America's most hip literary journal;
>>>>>>I've won all those awards; my work has been broadcast on radio,
>>>>>>including on the "Poem of the Day" program on Martha Stewart; I'm
>>>>>>being interviewed by someone from The New Yorker right now; I've
>>>>>>been a featured poet at an international cultural arts festival, flown
>> there
>>>>>>first-class and with all expenses paid . . .   so I guess I must be
>> doing
>>>>>>something right.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>No, that was not to brag at all.  That was purely to make my point,
>>>>>>to make my case for writing from a different angle, and to encourage
>>>>>>you and others to try doing that.  Hey, it can't hurt to try, can
>>>>>>it?
>>>>>>
>>>>>>John
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
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