[stylist] donna hill just joined us

Angela fowler fowlers at syix.com
Tue Nov 4 15:11:13 UTC 2008 

Donna, you are absolutely right, and I apologize for putting the wrong
information up here. I got that completely backwards. Honestly, I don't know
what I was thinking. Must have been posting before my first cup of coffee.  

-----Original Message-----
From: stylist-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:stylist-bounces at nfbnet.org] On
Behalf Of Donna Hill
Sent: Tuesday, November 04, 2008 4:54 AM
To: NFBnet Writer's Division Mailing List
Subject: Re: [stylist] donna hill just joined us

Angela,
I'm a bit confused by this.  I've always liked it best (out of forms
mode) for the description to appear above the edit box to which it applies,
not below.  My experience with printed/Braille forms is that the normal way
is to have, for instance, "Name" at the beginning of the line and the blank
where you put it after.  I always assumed that everyone would prefer the
description be before/above the field,. 
Apparently from the way you describe it, my preference is at odds with the
standard expectations.  Perhaps, someone can explain why having the edit
field first makes it more accessible? 

My experience with the O mag web site was a bit different than yours, but
with the same net result, (I'm  using Jaws 9 point something).  In forms
mode, the descriptions appear with the edit box below where they belonged
for the most part -- e.g. the first edit field is unlabeled, the box for the
last name says "First Name" and the following box for your age said "Last
Name." Out of forms mode the beginning of the form has the edit boxes above
the descriptions, but then there are several edit fields and combo boxes
where multiple descriptions appear on a given line.  There is a section for
alternate phone numbers which is totally confusing.  Then, the description
for the comments section appears above the edit field.

The other wierd thing is that, though I successfully sent my comments on the
review of "Blindness,"  I haven't been able to get one sent since then -- I
have been trying to send comments about the form itself.  
Maybe that's just as well, if my idea of accessible is that far off base.

Donna

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Angela fowler wrote:
> In an accessible web site, the labels are below the edit boxes, combo 
> boxes, and other controls. This way the screen reader knows what label 
> corresponds with which, for example, edit box. On the Oprah web site 
> the labels were above the edit boxes, so that if you went according to 
> the labels you were putting information one edit box below where it 
> was supposed to go. I had to constantly flip in and out of forms mode to
make sure I was doing it right.
> I'm pretty good on the computer, but folks who are just learning would 
> have been totally confused.
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: stylist-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:stylist-bounces at nfbnet.org] 
> On Behalf Of James Canaday M.A. N6YR
> Sent: Monday, November 03, 2008 5:06 PM
> To: NFBnet Writer's Division Mailing List
> Subject: Re: [stylist] donna hill just joined us
>
> donna,
> that we can put up with!
>
> yes, people need to protest Oprah's mag.
>
> you're welcome here.
>
> my wife is a very gifted singer of opera, negro spirituals, show tunes,
etc.
> she was at Atlanta national convention.
> jc
>
> Jim Canaday M.A.
> Lawrence, KS
>
> At 09:03 AM 11/3/2008, you wrote:
>   
>> JC,
>> Yes, that was my letter, and thanks for mentioning it.  I had 
>> actually forgotten that I'd sent it in to Ziegler and haven't read 
>> the latest issue yet.
>>
>> Currently, I'm trying to get the O magazine to make their online form 
>> more user friendly to screen readers.  Bloomberg's people responded 
>> almost instantly, but that's not the case with O.  Some of us want to 
>> comment on the review of the movie "Blindness" in the October issue.  
>> I did it, but there was a lot of trial and error before I got it right.
>> I heard from others who just gave up, so I contacted the NFB 
>> technology center and reported it, but I have no experience with how 
>> long that process takes.
>>
>> What's your wife's performing art of choice?
>> BTW, I'm enjoying the list.  It's great that people can share things 
>> their having a problem with -- no comments about that unorthodox use 
>> of prepositions, please; I'm Pennsylvania Dutch.
>> Donna
>>
>> --
>> For my bio & to hear clips from The Last Straw:
>> http://cdbaby.com/cd/donnahill
>>
>> Apple I-Tunes
>>
>> phobos.apple.com/WebObjects/MZStore.woa/wa/viewAlbum?playListId=25924
>> 43
>> 74
>>
>> Performing Arts Division of the National Federation of the Blind 
>> www.padnfb.org
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> James Canaday M.A. N6YR wrote:
>>     
>>> well,
>>> imagine my surprise I was just reading the letters (readers forum) 
>>> section of the Ziegler Magazine and saw our new member has a letter
there.
>>> apparently she leaned on the New York Mayor's office to fix their 
>>> website and make it speech friendly!
>>>
>>> good going!  and Donna, if my wife would ever pay her dues, she's in 
>>> PAD
>>>       
> too.
>   
>>> jc
>>>
>>> Jim Canaday M.A.
>>> Lawrence, KS
>>>
>>>
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