[stylist] donna hill just joined us

Tue Nov 4 12:53:39 UTC 2008

Angela,
I'm a bit confused by this.  I've always liked it best (out of forms 
mode) for the description to appear above the edit box to which it 
applies, not below.  My experience with printed/Braille forms is that 
the normal way is to have, for instance, "Name" at the beginning of the 
line and the blank where you put it after.  I always assumed that 
everyone would prefer the description be before/above the field,. 
Apparently from the way you describe it, my preference is at odds with 
the standard expectations.  Perhaps, someone can explain why having the 
edit field first makes it more accessible? 

My experience with the O mag web site was a bit different than yours, 
but with the same net result, (I'm  using Jaws 9 point something).  In 
forms mode, the descriptions appear with the edit box below where they 
belonged for the most part -- e.g. the first edit field is unlabeled, 
the box for the last name says "First Name" and the following box for 
your age said "Last Name." Out of forms mode the beginning of the form 
has the edit boxes above the descriptions, but then there are several 
edit fields and combo boxes where multiple descriptions appear on a 
given line.  There is a section for alternate phone numbers which is 
totally confusing.  Then, the description for the comments section 
appears above the edit field.

The other wierd thing is that, though I successfully sent my comments on 
the review of "Blindness,"  I haven't been able to get one sent since 
then -- I have been trying to send comments about the form itself.  
Maybe that's just as well, if my idea of accessible is that far off base.

Donna

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Angela fowler wrote:
> In an accessible web site, the labels are below the edit boxes, combo boxes,
> and other controls. This way the screen reader knows what label corresponds
> with which, for example, edit box. On the Oprah web site the labels were
> above the edit boxes, so that if you went according to the labels you were
> putting information one edit box below where it was supposed to go. I had to
> constantly flip in and out of forms mode to make sure I was doing it right.
> I'm pretty good on the computer, but folks who are just learning would have
> been totally confused.  
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: stylist-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:stylist-bounces at nfbnet.org] On
> Behalf Of James Canaday M.A. N6YR
> Sent: Monday, November 03, 2008 5:06 PM
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> Subject: Re: [stylist] donna hill just joined us
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> donna,
> that we can put up with!
>
> yes, people need to protest Oprah's mag.
>
> you're welcome here.
>
> my wife is a very gifted singer of opera, negro spirituals, show tunes, etc.
> she was at Atlanta national convention.
> jc
>
> Jim Canaday M.A.
> Lawrence, KS
>
> At 09:03 AM 11/3/2008, you wrote:
>   
>> JC,
>> Yes, that was my letter, and thanks for mentioning it.  I had actually 
>> forgotten that I'd sent it in to Ziegler and haven't read the latest 
>> issue yet.
>>
>> Currently, I'm trying to get the O magazine to make their online form 
>> more user friendly to screen readers.  Bloomberg's people responded 
>> almost instantly, but that's not the case with O.  Some of us want to 
>> comment on the review of the movie "Blindness" in the October issue.  I 
>> did it, but there was a lot of trial and error before I got it right.  
>> I heard from others who just gave up, so I contacted the NFB technology 
>> center and reported it, but I have no experience with how long that 
>> process takes.
>>
>> What's your wife's performing art of choice?
>> BTW, I'm enjoying the list.  It's great that people can share things 
>> their having a problem with -- no comments about that unorthodox use of 
>> prepositions, please; I'm Pennsylvania Dutch.
>> Donna
>>
>> --
>> For my bio & to hear clips from The Last Straw:
>> http://cdbaby.com/cd/donnahill
>>
>> Apple I-Tunes
>>
>> phobos.apple.com/WebObjects/MZStore.woa/wa/viewAlbum?playListId=2592443
>> 74
>>
>> Performing Arts Division of the National Federation of the Blind 
>> www.padnfb.org
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> James Canaday M.A. N6YR wrote:
>>     
>>> well,
>>> imagine my surprise I was just reading the letters (readers forum) 
>>> section of the Ziegler Magazine and saw our new member has a letter there.
>>> apparently she leaned on the New York Mayor's office to fix their 
>>> website and make it speech friendly!
>>>
>>> good going!  and Donna, if my wife would ever pay her dues, she's in PAD
>>>       
> too.
>   
>>> jc
>>>
>>> Jim Canaday M.A.
>>> Lawrence, KS
>>>
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