[stylist] writing about blindness
Angela fowler
fowlers at syix.com
Thu Nov 13 16:32:08 UTC 2008
Good to know I'm not the only one who thinks Hellen Keller is overrated. I
mean, she accomplished a lot, but she was no Tenbrook!
-----Original Message-----
From: stylist-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:stylist-bounces at nfbnet.org] On
Behalf Of Donna Hill
Sent: Thursday, November 13, 2008 8:14 AM
To: NFBnet Writer's Division Mailing List
Subject: Re: [stylist] writing about blindness
It's David Paterson, and as far as I know he is the son of a politician
which makes him upper middle class in my book. I'm so sick of hearing about
how easy it is to be blind from people whose families are economically well
off and socially connected. As much as I respect Helen Keller, the only
blind woman anyone seems to know, I would like to say that if someone gave
me a full-time helper, I'd be a lot further along the road to success.
Ooops, there I go ranting again.
Donna
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Judith Bron wrote:
> Governor Patterson of New York. I forgot his first name.
> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Angela fowler" <fowlers at syix.com>
> To: "'NFBnet Writer's Division Mailing List'" <stylist at nfbnet.org>
> Sent: Wednesday, November 12, 2008 9:03 PM
> Subject: Re: [stylist] writing about blindness
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>> Couldn't have said it better myself. Whose your gov? Just curious you
>> can answer off list if you want.
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: stylist-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:stylist-bounces at nfbnet.org]
>> On Behalf Of Judith Bron
>> Sent: Wednesday, November 12, 2008 5:22 PM
>> To: NFBnet Writer's Division Mailing List
>> Subject: Re: [stylist] writing about blindness
>>
>> I work for our local Independent Living Center. Our department does
>> job placement. Most of our clients are mentally ill but that
>> category is so large and divided into so many different sub divisions
>> that we can't even begin to define that group. The problem is that
>> many put the mentally ill and the physically impaired in the same
>> basket. The only way to break this unfair and ridiculous corelation
>> is to get the handicapped out there in visible situations where the
>> public realizes that a person maybe blind, wheelchair bound or deaf,
>> but they still perform their job like any other person. The Governor
>> of New York is visually impaired but he is not an advocate for the
>> blind. He doesn't read braille, use adaptive equipment or travel
>> with a white cane. Perhaps he has enough vision to not need these
>> things but the fact remains that he has a staff to write his letters
>> and communications, a driver to get him around and guards that tell
>> him which way to turn. We need people who are in the face of every
>> American to prove that their stereotypes are based on false premises.
>> Judith
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: "Angela fowler" <fowlers at syix.com>
>> To: "'NFBnet Writer's Division Mailing List'" <stylist at nfbnet.org>
>> Sent: Wednesday, November 12, 2008 7:41 PM
>> Subject: Re: [stylist] writing about blindness
>>
>>
>>> Yes, Donna, and if you happen to have some info about that study,
>>> I'd like to read about it. That is what we're up against, and will
>>> be for a long time. How long I don't know.
>>>
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: stylist-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:stylist-bounces at nfbnet.org]
>>> On Behalf Of Donna Hill
>>> Sent: Wednesday, November 12, 2008 8:44 AM
>>> To: NFBnet Writer's Division Mailing List
>>> Subject: Re: [stylist] writing about blindness
>>>
>>> Angela, That's the point, isn't it? We're not thought of as normal.
>>> Remember the study that the National Organization on Disability
>>> commissioned through the Louis Harris organization in 1990? The
>>> summary states that the public "views people with disabilities as
>>> fundamentally different than themselves." It goes on to say they
>>> feel admiration and pity most often.
>>> That's what we're still up against isn't it?
>>> Donna
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>>>
>>>
>>> Angela fowler wrote:
>>>> It seems if blind people aren't portrayed as helpless, they're
>>>> portrayed
>>> as
>>>> having some special ability or required to be super organized. Take
>>>> Henry
>>> in
>>>> Blackhouse for example. He doesn't use a cane, and makes his way
>>>> around flawlessly by hearing objects he's about to run into. He can
>>>> hear a door knob and that's how he knows where it is. I'm hard of
>>>> hearing, but I don't think even folks with normal hearing can hear
>>>> a door knob.
>>>>
>>>> Also, everything in his house is super organized, meticulously
>>>> placed in some intricate system. If anything is out of place he's
>>>> lost. I personally am a disaster when it comes to organization,
>>>> could probably take some
>>> lesson
>>>> from Henry, but still manage to slog through life with things
>>>> rarely in
>>> the
>>>> same place all the time.
>>>>
>>>> It'd be nice to once in a while see blind people portrayed as just
>>>> normal every-day folks.
>>>>
>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>> From: stylist-bounces at nfbnet.org
>>>> [mailto:stylist-bounces at nfbnet.org]
>>>> On Behalf Of Donna Hill
>>>> Sent: Wednesday, November 12, 2008 7:37 AM
>>>> To: NFBnet Writer's Division Mailing List
>>>> Subject: Re: [stylist] writing about blindness
>>>>
>>>> Helene,
>>>> Agreed. Also, to put things in perspective, publishers don't
>>>> accept well over ninety percent of everything they get.
>>>> Donna
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>>>>
>>>>
>>>> helene ryles wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> My book has blind characters in it. I think that there are so many
>>>>> negative examples of blind and disabled characters in fiction that
>>>>> it would be a good thing if blind authors with possitive views on
>>>>> their blindness would educate people by including a character or
>>>>> two in their novels.
>>>>> As for me. I write to make sense of my world. If I was told the
>>>>> publishers wouldn't accept disabled characters I would still
>>>>> include them and hope that one day that would change. After all
>>>>> Van Goth didn't have any of his paintings sold in his life time.
>>>>> But they are famous now. Maybe people will be more open minded
>>>>> about the disabled in the future?
>>>>>
>>>>> Helene.
>>>>>
>>>>> On 11/11/2008, Angela fowler <fowlers at syix.com> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>> I wonder if writing about blind characters who are just ordinary
>>>>>> people, maybe even having a minor role in the story and
>>>>>> publishing it mainstream would help to transcend that divide?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>>> From: stylist-bounces at nfbnet.org
>>>>>> [mailto:stylist-bounces at nfbnet.org]
>>>>>> On Behalf Of Judith Bron
>>>>>> Sent: Tuesday, November 11, 2008 2:37 PM
>>>>>> To: NFBnet Writer's Division Mailing List
>>>>>> Subject: Re: [stylist] writing about blindness
>>>>>>
>>>>>> If you are going to write about a minority, be that racial,
>>>>>> ethnic or handicapped, you might want to try publishers or
>>>>>> periodicals that are dedicated to that particular genre. Yes,
>>>>>> there are times that you can transcend the divide, but you have
>>>>>> to write with the audience you are writing for.
>>>>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>>>>> From: "Donna Hill" <penatwork at epix.net>
>>>>>> To: "NFBnet Writer's Division Mailing List" <stylist at nfbnet.org>
>>>>>> Sent: Tuesday, November 11, 2008 4:34 PM
>>>>>> Subject: Re: [stylist] writing about blindness
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Jim,
>>>>>>> You make a couple of good points here. I am very conscious
>>>>>>> that, if I intend to market a short story, having it be about
>>>>>>> blindness may turn off a publication. I do have several ideas
>>>>>>> that I've been sitting on which are about the ironies of how
>>>>>>> blind people are viewed and treated, but, as I say, I'm sitting on
them.
>>>>>>> Donna
>>>>>>>
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>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> James Canaday M.A. N6YR wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Aziza,
>>>>>>>> that's one problem we're up against as blind people in this
>>>>>>>> society:
>>>>>>>> very very few examples or role models in the media, the books,
>>>>>>>> etc.
>>>>>>>> whether to write a character as blind or not is honestly not
>>>>>>>> the first thing on my mind because I'm more interested when I
>>>>>>>> have an idea, I want to write a story about some particular
>>>>>>>> struggle, some puzzle to be unravveled.
>>>>>>>> it is also important to remember that sometimes having a major
>>>>>>>> character who is blind makes your story harder for some readers
>>>>>>>> to get into, have the verisimilitude, because they don't
>>>>>>>> experience blindness and don't know a blind person.
>>>>>>>> so there is also a catch-22 about it.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> ***
>>>>>>>> personal update:
>>>>>>>> by the way I seem to be getting sicker with more of the
>>>>>>>> flu-like symptoms getting very bad: headache; other aches;
stiffness; etc.
>>>>>>>> apparently I will get worse before I get better. last thursday
>>>>>>>> I started the once-a-week shot to treat my autoimmune disorder.
>>>>>>>> thank you for praying if you do.
>>>>>>>> jim
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Jim Canaday M.A.
>>>>>>>> Lawrence, KS
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> At 01:14 PM 11/11/2008, you wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> I suppose I could write about blind people better, but I read
>>>>>>>>> a lot of fiction books, and most of them have sighted characters.
>>>>>>>>> I draw from those descriptions, also in class, you don't see
>>>>>>>>> the teacher teaching many texts with blind people in them. I
>>>>>>>>> think I can write about fiction sighted characters as well as
>>>>>>>>> I can blind fiction characters. I may of course be wrong.
>>>>>>>>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Angela fowler"
>>>>>>>>> <fowlers at syix.com>
>>>>>>>>> To: "'NFBnet Writer's Division Mailing List'"
>>>>>>>>> <stylist at nfbnet.org>
>>>>>>>>> Sent: Tuesday, November 11, 2008 12:07 PM
>>>>>>>>> Subject: Re: [stylist] writing about blindness
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> I guess it depends on your frame of mind at the time of writing.
>>>>>>>>>> While blind fiction writers can depict blind characters
>>>>>>>>>> obviously far more accurately than sighted fiction writers,
>>>>>>>>>> we limit ourselves if we stick exclusively to blind
>>>>>>>>>> characters or blindness issues.
>>>>>>>>>> As for articles, I've been writing about a lot of blindness
>>>>>>>>>> related stuff lately. Its funny, I went into my historical
>>>>>>>>>> research and writing class vowing I was going to write about
>>>>>>>>>> anything but a blindness issue, and ended up writing about
>>>>>>>>>> the way the ADA effects blind people. Go figure.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>>>>>>> From: stylist-bounces at nfbnet.org
>>>>>>>>>> [mailto:stylist-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Aziza
>>>>>>>>>> Sent: Tuesday, November 11, 2008 10:00 AM
>>>>>>>>>> To: NFBnet Writer's Division Mailing List
>>>>>>>>>> Subject: Re: [stylist] writing about blindness
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> I don't write about being blind either. I mean unless it's my
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>> articles.
>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> But
>>>>>>>>>> when I write storries, all my characters can see, and have
>>>>>>>>>> other problems they must overcome in their lives.
>>>>>>>>>> I don't think it's denial at all.
>>>>>>>>>> Aziza
>>>>>>>>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>>>>>>>>> From: "Judith Bron" <jbron at optonline.net>
>>>>>>>>>> To: "Stylist" <stylist at nfbnet.org>
>>>>>>>>>> Sent: Tuesday, November 11, 2008 8:51 AM
>>>>>>>>>> Subject: [stylist] writing about blindness
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> I'm not in denial nor do I ignore the fact that I do have a
>>>>>>>>>>> handicap that I have to overcome on a daily basis. However,
>>>>>>>>>>> when I am writing I seem to go into a different world. I
>>>>>>>>>>> write about people who are ill, some of my characters die
>>>>>>>>>>> and others fall into the clutches of bad people. If I say
>>>>>>>>>>> that blindness bores me, you might come out with an arms
>>>>>>>>>>> length of causes for my symptoms. However, a person does
>>>>>>>>>>> not necessarily want to write about those things they live
>>>>>>>>>>> with and rise above on a daily basis. I am fat. Writing
>>>>>>>>>>> about being fat falls under
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> the same category as blind.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Live with it. Fight against it as much as possible, but it
>>>>>>>>>>> shouldn't dominate every facet of your life. Again, you may
>>>>>>>>>>> think I'm in some kind of denial, but I'm not. I won't
>>>>>>>>>>> drive a car into a crowd, try sewing a garment while it is
>>>>>>>>>>> on the back of my would be victim and I won't pretend to
>>>>>>>>>>> read the paper when I can't even make out one picture in the
>>>>>>>>>>> blasted thing. Judith
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