[stylist] writing about blindness

Thu Nov 13 16:55:28 UTC 2008

Hellen Keller started from ground zero.  Before her, the deaf blind spent 
life in their own closet.  When I first became visually impaired, I felt 
like I was locked in that closet.  It's a very boring place to live.  But I, 
like so many, emerged again into the world of the living.  Hellen is not 
over rated, but a pioneer.  Her teacher, Ann Sullivan, deserves all the 
credit for getting Hellen to a place where she could live her life and not 
be stripped of it.  Judith
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From: "Angela fowler" <fowlers at syix.com>
To: "'NFBnet Writer's Division Mailing List'" <stylist at nfbnet.org>
Sent: Thursday, November 13, 2008 11:32 AM
Subject: Re: [stylist] writing about blindness


> Good to know I'm not the only one who thinks Hellen Keller is overrated. I
> mean, she accomplished a lot, but she was no Tenbrook!
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: stylist-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:stylist-bounces at nfbnet.org] On
> Behalf Of Donna Hill
> Sent: Thursday, November 13, 2008 8:14 AM
> To: NFBnet Writer's Division Mailing List
> Subject: Re: [stylist] writing about blindness
>
> It's David Paterson, and as far as I know he is the son of a politician
> which makes him upper middle class in my book.  I'm so sick of hearing 
> about
> how easy it is to be blind from people whose families are economically 
> well
> off and socially connected.  As much as I respect Helen Keller, the only
> blind woman anyone seems to know, I would like to say that if someone gave
> me a full-time helper, I'd be a lot further along the road to success.
> Ooops, there I go ranting again.
> Donna
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> Judith Bron wrote:
>> Governor Patterson of New York.  I forgot his first name.
>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Angela fowler" <fowlers at syix.com>
>> To: "'NFBnet Writer's Division Mailing List'" <stylist at nfbnet.org>
>> Sent: Wednesday, November 12, 2008 9:03 PM
>> Subject: Re: [stylist] writing about blindness
>>
>>
>>> Couldn't have said it better myself. Whose your gov? Just curious you
>>> can answer off list if you want.
>>>
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: stylist-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:stylist-bounces at nfbnet.org]
>>> On Behalf Of Judith Bron
>>> Sent: Wednesday, November 12, 2008 5:22 PM
>>> To: NFBnet Writer's Division Mailing List
>>> Subject: Re: [stylist] writing about blindness
>>>
>>> I work for our local Independent Living Center.  Our department does
>>> job placement.  Most of our clients are mentally ill but that
>>> category is so large and divided into so many different sub divisions
>>> that we can't even begin to define that group.  The problem is that
>>> many put the mentally ill and the physically impaired in the same
>>> basket.  The only way to break this unfair and ridiculous corelation
>>> is to get the handicapped out there in visible situations where the
>>> public realizes that a person maybe blind, wheelchair bound or deaf,
>>> but they still perform their job like any other person.  The Governor
>>> of New York is visually impaired but he is not an advocate for the
>>> blind.  He doesn't read braille, use adaptive equipment or travel
>>> with a white cane.  Perhaps he has enough vision to not need these
>>> things but the fact remains that he has a staff to write his letters
>>> and communications, a driver to get him around and guards that tell
>>> him which way to turn.  We need people who are in the face of every
>>> American to prove that their stereotypes are based on false premises.
>>> Judith
>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>> From: "Angela fowler" <fowlers at syix.com>
>>> To: "'NFBnet Writer's Division Mailing List'" <stylist at nfbnet.org>
>>> Sent: Wednesday, November 12, 2008 7:41 PM
>>> Subject: Re: [stylist] writing about blindness
>>>
>>>
>>>> Yes, Donna, and if you happen to have some info about that study,
>>>> I'd like to read about it. That is what we're up against, and will
>>>> be for a long time. How long I don't know.
>>>>
>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>> From: stylist-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:stylist-bounces at nfbnet.org]
>>>> On Behalf Of Donna Hill
>>>> Sent: Wednesday, November 12, 2008 8:44 AM
>>>> To: NFBnet Writer's Division Mailing List
>>>> Subject: Re: [stylist] writing about blindness
>>>>
>>>> Angela, That's the point, isn't it?  We're not thought of as normal.
>>>> Remember the study that the National Organization on Disability
>>>> commissioned through the Louis Harris organization in 1990?  The
>>>> summary states that the public "views people with disabilities as
>>>> fundamentally different than themselves."  It goes on to say they
>>>> feel admiration and pity most often.
>>>> That's what we're still up against isn't it?
>>>> Donna
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>>>>
>>>> Angela fowler wrote:
>>>>> It seems if blind people aren't portrayed as helpless, they're
>>>>> portrayed
>>>> as
>>>>> having some special ability or required to be super organized. Take
>>>>> Henry
>>>> in
>>>>> Blackhouse for example. He doesn't use a cane, and makes his way
>>>>> around flawlessly by hearing objects he's about to run into. He can
>>>>> hear a door knob and that's how he knows where it is. I'm hard of
>>>>> hearing, but I don't think even folks with normal hearing can hear
>>>>> a door knob.
>>>>>
>>>>> Also, everything in his house is super organized, meticulously
>>>>> placed in some intricate system. If anything is out of place he's
>>>>> lost. I personally am a disaster when it comes to organization,
>>>>> could probably take some
>>>> lesson
>>>>> from Henry, but still manage to slog through life with things
>>>>> rarely in
>>>> the
>>>>> same place all the time.
>>>>>
>>>>> It'd be nice to once in a while see blind people portrayed as just
>>>>> normal every-day folks.
>>>>>
>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>> From: stylist-bounces at nfbnet.org
>>>>> [mailto:stylist-bounces at nfbnet.org]
>>>>> On Behalf Of Donna Hill
>>>>> Sent: Wednesday, November 12, 2008 7:37 AM
>>>>> To: NFBnet Writer's Division Mailing List
>>>>> Subject: Re: [stylist] writing about blindness
>>>>>
>>>>> Helene,
>>>>> Agreed.  Also, to put things in perspective, publishers don't
>>>>> accept well over ninety percent of everything they get.
>>>>> Donna
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>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> helene ryles wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> My book has blind characters in it. I think that there are so many
>>>>>> negative examples of blind and disabled characters in fiction that
>>>>>> it would be a good thing if blind authors with possitive views on
>>>>>> their blindness would educate people by including a character or
>>>>>> two in their novels.
>>>>>> As for me. I write to make sense of my world. If I was told the
>>>>>> publishers wouldn't accept disabled characters I would still
>>>>>> include them and hope that one day that would change. After all
>>>>>> Van Goth didn't have any of his paintings sold in his life time.
>>>>>> But they are famous now. Maybe people will be more open minded
>>>>>> about the disabled in the future?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Helene.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On 11/11/2008, Angela fowler <fowlers at syix.com> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I wonder if writing about blind characters who are just ordinary
>>>>>>> people, maybe even having a minor role in the story and
>>>>>>> publishing it mainstream would help to transcend that divide?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>>>> From: stylist-bounces at nfbnet.org
>>>>>>> [mailto:stylist-bounces at nfbnet.org]
>>>>>>> On Behalf Of Judith Bron
>>>>>>> Sent: Tuesday, November 11, 2008 2:37 PM
>>>>>>> To: NFBnet Writer's Division Mailing List
>>>>>>> Subject: Re: [stylist] writing about blindness
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> If you are going to write about a minority, be that racial,
>>>>>>> ethnic or handicapped, you  might want to try publishers or
>>>>>>> periodicals that are dedicated to that particular genre.  Yes,
>>>>>>> there are times that you can transcend the divide, but you have
>>>>>>> to write with the audience you are writing for.
>>>>>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>>>>>> From: "Donna Hill" <penatwork at epix.net>
>>>>>>> To: "NFBnet Writer's Division Mailing List" <stylist at nfbnet.org>
>>>>>>> Sent: Tuesday, November 11, 2008 4:34 PM
>>>>>>> Subject: Re: [stylist] writing about blindness
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Jim,
>>>>>>>> You make a couple of good points here.  I am very conscious
>>>>>>>> that, if I intend to market a short story, having it be about
>>>>>>>> blindness may turn off a publication.  I do have several ideas
>>>>>>>> that I've been sitting on which are about the ironies of how
>>>>>>>> blind people are viewed and treated, but, as I say, I'm sitting on
> them.
>>>>>>>> Donna
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>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> James Canaday M.A. N6YR wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Aziza,
>>>>>>>>> that's one problem we're up against as blind people in this
>>>>>>>>> society:
>>>>>>>>> very very few examples or role models in the media, the books,
>>>>>>>>> etc.
>>>>>>>>> whether to write a character as blind or not is honestly not
>>>>>>>>> the first thing on my mind because I'm more interested when I
>>>>>>>>> have an idea, I want to write a story about some particular
>>>>>>>>> struggle, some puzzle to be unravveled.
>>>>>>>>> it is also important to remember that sometimes having a major
>>>>>>>>> character who is blind makes your story harder for some readers
>>>>>>>>> to get into, have the verisimilitude, because they don't
>>>>>>>>> experience blindness and don't know a blind person.
>>>>>>>>> so there is also a catch-22 about it.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> ***
>>>>>>>>> personal update:
>>>>>>>>> by the way I seem to be getting sicker with more of the
>>>>>>>>> flu-like symptoms getting very bad: headache; other aches;
> stiffness; etc.
>>>>>>>>> apparently I will get worse before I get better.  last thursday
>>>>>>>>> I started the once-a-week shot to treat my autoimmune disorder.
>>>>>>>>> thank you for praying if you do.
>>>>>>>>> jim
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Jim Canaday M.A.
>>>>>>>>> Lawrence, KS
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> At 01:14 PM 11/11/2008, you wrote:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> I suppose I could write about blind people better, but I read
>>>>>>>>>> a lot of fiction books, and most of them have sighted characters.
>>>>>>>>>> I draw from those descriptions, also in class, you don't see
>>>>>>>>>> the teacher teaching many texts with blind people in them. I
>>>>>>>>>> think I can write about fiction sighted characters as well as
>>>>>>>>>> I can blind fiction characters. I may of course be wrong.
>>>>>>>>>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Angela fowler"
>>>>>>>>>> <fowlers at syix.com>
>>>>>>>>>> To: "'NFBnet Writer's Division Mailing List'"
>>>>>>>>>> <stylist at nfbnet.org>
>>>>>>>>>> Sent: Tuesday, November 11, 2008 12:07 PM
>>>>>>>>>> Subject: Re: [stylist] writing about blindness
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> I guess it depends on your frame of mind at the time of writing.
>>>>>>>>>>> While blind fiction writers can depict blind characters
>>>>>>>>>>> obviously far more accurately than sighted fiction writers,
>>>>>>>>>>> we limit ourselves if we stick exclusively to blind
>>>>>>>>>>> characters or blindness issues.
>>>>>>>>>>> As for articles, I've been writing about a lot of blindness
>>>>>>>>>>> related stuff lately. Its funny, I went into my historical
>>>>>>>>>>> research and writing class vowing I was going to write about
>>>>>>>>>>> anything but a blindness issue, and ended up writing about
>>>>>>>>>>> the way the ADA effects blind people. Go figure.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>>>>>>>> From: stylist-bounces at nfbnet.org
>>>>>>>>>>> [mailto:stylist-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Aziza
>>>>>>>>>>> Sent: Tuesday, November 11, 2008 10:00 AM
>>>>>>>>>>> To: NFBnet Writer's Division Mailing List
>>>>>>>>>>> Subject: Re: [stylist] writing about blindness
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> I don't write about being blind either. I mean unless it's my
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>> articles.
>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> But
>>>>>>>>>>> when I write storries, all my characters can see, and have
>>>>>>>>>>> other problems they must overcome in their lives.
>>>>>>>>>>> I don't think it's denial at all.
>>>>>>>>>>> Aziza
>>>>>>>>>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>>>>>>>>>> From: "Judith Bron" <jbron at optonline.net>
>>>>>>>>>>> To: "Stylist" <stylist at nfbnet.org>
>>>>>>>>>>> Sent: Tuesday, November 11, 2008 8:51 AM
>>>>>>>>>>> Subject: [stylist] writing about blindness
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> I'm not in denial nor do I ignore the fact that I do have a
>>>>>>>>>>>> handicap that I have to overcome on a daily basis.  However,
>>>>>>>>>>>> when I am writing I seem to go into a different world.  I
>>>>>>>>>>>> write about people who are ill, some of my characters die
>>>>>>>>>>>> and others fall into the clutches of bad people.  If I say
>>>>>>>>>>>> that blindness bores me, you might come out with an arms
>>>>>>>>>>>> length of causes for my symptoms.  However, a person does
>>>>>>>>>>>> not necessarily want to write about those things they live
>>>>>>>>>>>> with and rise above on a daily basis.  I am fat.  Writing
>>>>>>>>>>>> about being fat falls under
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> the same category as blind.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Live with it.  Fight against it as much as possible, but it
>>>>>>>>>>>> shouldn't dominate every facet of your life.  Again, you may
>>>>>>>>>>>> think I'm in some kind of denial, but I'm not.  I won't
>>>>>>>>>>>> drive a car into a crowd, try sewing a garment while it is
>>>>>>>>>>>> on the back of my would be victim and I won't pretend to
>>>>>>>>>>>> read the paper when I can't even make out one picture in the
>>>>>>>>>>>> blasted thing.  Judith
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