[stylist] sample of work rewritten. 3rd attempt.

James Canaday M.A. N6YR n6yr at sunflower.com
Mon Oct 27 22:18:56 UTC 2008 

two problems with what you've posted Fred,
if I say you're wearing the same shoes I am, sounds as if the exact 
physical pair of shoes you and I are sharing; though that would make 
standing difficult.  identical vs. same.  so when  people write 
"exact same" they really mean "identical."

I agree with you about sometimes breaking the rules.  that we 
should  be aware when we do it, and do it for good reason(s) when we 
choose to do it.

jc
Jim Canaday M.A.
Lawrence, KS

At 12:19 PM 10/27/2008, you wrote:
>I looked this up and here is what I found.
>Posted by languageandgrammar on June 13, 2008
>How often do we hear people say things such as This is
>exactly the same
>  problem as we had the last time or I have the same exact shoes
>  or
>Why do politicians use the same exact
>  words every time they give speeches
>? (Well, maybe that last one is repeated ad nauseam only at our
>  house.)
>If something is the same, it's already identical, that is, it's exact
>; adding the word
>exactly or exact
>is redundant--so don't do it. If we have the same problem as last time, then
>we
>have a problem that is exactly as the one we had the last time. If we have
>the same
>shoes as someone else, then we have shoes that match exactly to that
>person's shoes.
>It's either the same, or it isn't; sticking an
>exactly
>  in front of it doesn't make it any more so.
>It follows, then, that we should be saying This is the same problem
>  (not exactly the same problem)
>  as we had the last time and I have the same
>  shoes
>(not exact same shoes); and around our house, we should be constantly
>talking about
>how
>politicians use the same words
>(not exactly the same words)
>  every time they give speeches.
>Sherry
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>-----Original Message-----
>From: stylist-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:stylist-bounces at nfbnet.org] On
>Behalf Of Angela fowler
>Sent: Monday, October 27, 2008 10:02 AM
>To: 'NFBnet Writer's Division Mailing List'
>Subject: Re: [stylist] sample of work rewritten. 3rd attempt.
>
>Good point, Judith.
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: stylist-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:stylist-bounces at nfbnet.org] On
>Behalf Of Judith Bron
>Sent: Monday, October 27, 2008 5:28 AM
>To: NFBnet Writer's Division Mailing List
>Subject: Re: [stylist] sample of work rewritten. 3rd attempt.
>
>All of the things you are arguing about is called "The vernacular."  Want to
>fight it?  Want to go back to English before any of the commonly used
>phrases or words became popular?  Come on guys!  (I hope I'm not offending
>women by using the word guys, it's just a colloquialism)  There's a lot in
>the English language that could be called redundant, contradictory or words
>whose spellings don't make sense.  But it's English!  The official language
>of the US!  Don't like it?  I'd say move to England but their language is
>even more messed up.  A diaper over there is a nappy, a flashlight is a
>torch and the trunk of a car is a boot.  Now, will a  purist try to
>straighten out this language?  Judith
>----- Original Message -----
>From: "Angela fowler" <fowlers at syix.com>
>To: "'NFBnet Writer's Division Mailing List'" <stylist at nfbnet.org>
>Sent: Sunday, October 26, 2008 11:32 PM
>Subject: Re: [stylist] sample of work rewritten. 3rd attempt.
>
>
> > We use the phrase "the exact same thing" to emphasize the fact that
> > two things are no different from each other. If that's what you're
> > objecting too, Fred, how would you have us better phrase it? To say
> > "it's the exact thing" doesn't sound right, and to just say "That's
> > the same thing," lacks the authority of "the exact same thing."
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: stylist-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:stylist-bounces at nfbnet.org]
> > On Behalf Of James Canaday M.A. N6YR
> > Sent: Sunday, October 26, 2008 8:10 PM
> > To: NFBnet Writer's Division Mailing List
> > Subject: Re: [stylist] sample of work rewritten. 3rd attempt.
> >
> > fred,
> > please elaborate on your peeve, p e e v e, didn't quite understand
> > what you were referring to.  do you object to the use of the phrase
> > "exact same?"
> > if
> > so, it is certainly a common expression; perhaps the repetition is
> > used simply for emphasis in our language.
> > jc
> >
> > Jim Canaday M.A.
> > Lawrence, KS
> >
> > At 07:22 PM 10/26/2008, you wrote:
> >>Hi,
> >>
> >>I have a little pet peve.  It seems incorrect to "exact same" or
> >>relate similar phrases.  It is very common these days.  I recommend
> >>either exact or same but not both.  It seems redundant.  Others may
> >>disagree and I would welcome another view.
> >>
> >>Warm Writing Regards,
> >>
> >>Fred
> >>
> >>-----Original Message-----
> >>From: stylist-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:stylist-bounces at nfbnet.org]
> >>On Behalf Of LoriStay at aol.com
> >>Sent: Saturday, October 25, 2008 10:56 PM
> >>To: stylist at nfbnet.org
> >>Subject: Re: [stylist] sample of work rewritten. 3rd attempt.
> >>
> >>
> >>In a message dated 10/25/08 9:37:24 PM, dreamavdb at googlemail.com writes:
> >>
> >>
> >> >
> >> >   "Paril? I've come to show you how to use a long cane." Hari
> >> > Murdag called as he stood listening in front of Paril's tent.  He
> >> > heard exactly the same snores that he had heard earlier on.  Their
> >> > was something unnatural  about the noise he was hearing.
> >> >
> >>
> >>Their was... Nope.   Wrong "there."   check your spelling.
> >>
> >>Then their was a click
> >>Same comment.   This should be spelled t h e r e
> >>
> >>  Then their(that is, t h e r e) was a click a whirring noise and the
> >>snores started up again.
> >>Put a comma after click.   Or use the word "and"
> >>
> >>(A click and a whirring noise)
> >>
> >>
> >>   How could he have been taken in so easily.
> >>Need question mark here rather than a period.
> >>
> >>
> >>  After all he'd once played the same trick himself.
> >>comma after the word "all"
> >>
> >>
> >>"Paril!" he called into the desert air around him.   Not really
> >>expecting a response.
> >>There's that sentence fragment again.   Try a comma after the word "him,"
> >>and
> >>make the second sentence into a dependent clause.
> >>
> >>Sometimes people dislike my editing their work without mentioning that
> >>I do
> >>this all the time (for those who do ask for it).   Let me know your
> >>thoughts.
> >>Lori
> >>
> >>
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