[stylist] sample of work rewritten. 3rd attempt.

Mon Oct 27 18:19:17 UTC 2008

I looked this up and here is what I found.
Posted by languageandgrammar on June 13, 2008
How often do we hear people say things such as This is
exactly the same
 problem as we had the last time or I have the same exact shoes
 or
Why do politicians use the same exact
 words every time they give speeches
? (Well, maybe that last one is repeated ad nauseam only at our
 house.)
If something is the same, it's already identical, that is, it's exact
; adding the word
exactly or exact
is redundant--so don't do it. If we have the same problem as last time, then
we
have a problem that is exactly as the one we had the last time. If we have
the same
shoes as someone else, then we have shoes that match exactly to that
person's shoes.
It's either the same, or it isn't; sticking an
exactly
 in front of it doesn't make it any more so.
It follows, then, that we should be saying This is the same problem
 (not exactly the same problem)
 as we had the last time and I have the same
 shoes
(not exact same shoes); and around our house, we should be constantly
talking about
how
politicians use the same words
(not exactly the same words)
 every time they give speeches.
Sherry
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From: stylist-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:stylist-bounces at nfbnet.org] On
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Good point, Judith.  

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From: stylist-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:stylist-bounces at nfbnet.org] On
Behalf Of Judith Bron
Sent: Monday, October 27, 2008 5:28 AM
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Subject: Re: [stylist] sample of work rewritten. 3rd attempt.

All of the things you are arguing about is called "The vernacular."  Want to
fight it?  Want to go back to English before any of the commonly used
phrases or words became popular?  Come on guys!  (I hope I'm not offending
women by using the word guys, it's just a colloquialism)  There's a lot in
the English language that could be called redundant, contradictory or words
whose spellings don't make sense.  But it's English!  The official language
of the US!  Don't like it?  I'd say move to England but their language is
even more messed up.  A diaper over there is a nappy, a flashlight is a
torch and the trunk of a car is a boot.  Now, will a  purist try to
straighten out this language?  Judith
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From: "Angela fowler" <fowlers at syix.com>
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Sent: Sunday, October 26, 2008 11:32 PM
Subject: Re: [stylist] sample of work rewritten. 3rd attempt.

> We use the phrase "the exact same thing" to emphasize the fact that 
> two things are no different from each other. If that's what you're 
> objecting too, Fred, how would you have us better phrase it? To say 
> "it's the exact thing" doesn't sound right, and to just say "That's 
> the same thing," lacks the authority of "the exact same thing."
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: stylist-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:stylist-bounces at nfbnet.org] 
> On Behalf Of James Canaday M.A. N6YR
> Sent: Sunday, October 26, 2008 8:10 PM
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> Subject: Re: [stylist] sample of work rewritten. 3rd attempt.
>
> fred,
> please elaborate on your peeve, p e e v e, didn't quite understand 
> what you were referring to.  do you object to the use of the phrase 
> "exact same?"
> if
> so, it is certainly a common expression; perhaps the repetition is 
> used simply for emphasis in our language.
> jc
>
> Jim Canaday M.A.
> Lawrence, KS
>
> At 07:22 PM 10/26/2008, you wrote:
>>Hi,
>>
>>I have a little pet peve.  It seems incorrect to "exact same" or 
>>relate similar phrases.  It is very common these days.  I recommend 
>>either exact or same but not both.  It seems redundant.  Others may 
>>disagree and I would welcome another view.
>>
>>Warm Writing Regards,
>>
>>Fred
>>
>>-----Original Message-----
>>From: stylist-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:stylist-bounces at nfbnet.org] 
>>On Behalf Of LoriStay at aol.com
>>Sent: Saturday, October 25, 2008 10:56 PM
>>To: stylist at nfbnet.org
>>Subject: Re: [stylist] sample of work rewritten. 3rd attempt.
>>
>>
>>In a message dated 10/25/08 9:37:24 PM, dreamavdb at googlemail.com writes:
>>
>>
>> >
>> >   "Paril? I've come to show you how to use a long cane." Hari 
>> > Murdag called as he stood listening in front of Paril's tent.  He 
>> > heard exactly the same snores that he had heard earlier on.  Their 
>> > was something unnatural  about the noise he was hearing.
>> >
>>
>>Their was... Nope.   Wrong "there."   check your spelling.
>>
>>Then their was a click
>>Same comment.   This should be spelled t h e r e
>>
>>  Then their(that is, t h e r e) was a click a whirring noise and the 
>>snores started up again.
>>Put a comma after click.   Or use the word "and"
>>
>>(A click and a whirring noise)
>>
>>
>>   How could he have been taken in so easily.
>>Need question mark here rather than a period.
>>
>>
>>  After all he'd once played the same trick himself.
>>comma after the word "all"
>>
>>
>>"Paril!" he called into the desert air around him.   Not really
>>expecting a response.
>>There's that sentence fragment again.   Try a comma after the word "him,"
>>and
>>make the second sentence into a dependent clause.
>>
>>Sometimes people dislike my editing their work without mentioning that 
>>I do
>>this all the time (for those who do ask for it).   Let me know your
>>thoughts.
>>Lori
>>
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