[stylist] The two list idea

helene ryles dreamavdb at googlemail.com
Wed Apr 8 01:04:41 UTC 2009 

David: I wasn't really asking to start a list just to discuss
politics. I'd want a list where ANYTHING can be discussed.  Including
politics. ie disability rights (not confinined to the rights of blind
people), variaties in child upbringing, as well as issues that concern
blind/deafblind as well. I want a list where politics wouldn't be
considered off limits. Not a list to specifically discuss politics in.

Helene.

On 08/04/2009, David Andrews <dandrews at visi.com> wrote:
> FYI Helene:
>
> While I understand your desire -- as the "keeper of the lists" it is
> extremely unlikely that I would start one just to discuss
> politics.  I don't think it serves any purpose, and it can do us no
> good.  We need to work on what unites us, not what separates us.  We
> have members from all political persuasions but blindness brings us
> together, and is where we concentrate.
>
> David Andrews, List Owner
>
> At 11:45 PM 4/6/2009, you wrote:
>>Judith,
>>Yes, of course there are lists for politics but I was interested in
>>discussing politics amongst other NFB members and at present there is
>>no list for that.
>>
>>How does one do a vote for 2 lists?
>>
>>Helene
>>
>>On 07/04/2009, David Andrews <dandrews at visi.com> wrote:
>> > Ap present the search feature for the archives is broken, and is some
>> > work to fix, so isn't done yet.  You can view the archives one month
>> > at a time, and sort messages by sender, date, or subject.    Go to
>> > nfbnet.org and choose the second link.
>> >
>> > Dave
>> >
>> > At 05:39 PM 4/6/2009, you wrote:
>> >>Is there an easy way to view a days posts by subject in the archives?
>> >>
>> >>I have used nfbnet interface before and not had a lot of luck with
>> >> finding
>> >>things that posters had said were in the archives because they had been
>> >>discussed thoroughly before.
>> >>
>> >>Daily digest does not work for me because you can't sort the messages by
>> >>subject for easy skipping.
>> >>
>> >>Just looking for a good way to find the items relevant to me on this
>> >> list.
>> >>My delete key is apparently not very effective or I simply lack the
>> >> skills
>> >>to use it properly.
>> >>
>> >>Cindy
>> >>
>> >> > -----Original Message-----
>> >> > From: stylist-bounces at nfbnet.org
>> >> > [mailto:stylist-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of John Lee Clark
>> >> > Sent: Monday, April 06, 2009 5:40 PM
>> >> > To: 'Writer's Division Mailing List'
>> >> > Subject: Re: [stylist] The two list idea
>> >> >
>> >> >
>> >> > I am wondering if the situation here is that those who don't
>> >> > want high traffic is holding this list hostage.  That shows
>> >> > unhealthy boundaries.  Why don't THEY set up a new list
>> >> > that's designed to be low-traffic?
>> >> >
>> >> > You understand, I don't want to be on two lists and think
>> >> > which one to post something new and you can be sure I don't
>> >> > want to "move" something from one to the other.
>> >> >
>> >> > I apologize for taking part in the politics discussions from
>> >> > two or three weeks ago, but otherwise I think we've been
>> >> > really, really good with the topics' relevance.  So I think
>> >> > the real complaint here is about volume, not topic.
>> >> >
>> >> > If it was really about topic, there shouldn't be any
>> >> > objections.  The objuections are about volume.  Don't blame
>> >> > the topic for this, because so many things go deep hand in
>> >> > hand with writing itself.
>> >> >
>> >> > John
>> >> >
>> >> > -----Original Message-----
>> >> > From: stylist-bounces at nfbnet.org
>> >> > [mailto:stylist-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of James
>> >> > Canaday M.A. N6YR
>> >> > Sent: Monday, April 06, 2009 4:12 PM
>> >> > To: Writer's Division Mailing List
>> >> > Subject: Re: [stylist] The two list idea
>> >> >
>> >> > list members,
>> >> > I feel strongly about this  and vote for the two list
>> >> > solution. the way stylist was functioning until ten days ago,
>> >> > there was
>> >> > frequently some humor, and if someone asked a question such as "would
>> >> > anyone choose to be blind" these were welcomed.
>> >> > we discussed cane technique, and many many other nonwriting topics
>> >> > but we discussed them as writers.
>> >> > as we are supporters and members of NFB, we should be the first ones
>> >> > to be willing to write about blindness issues from our personal
>> >> > perspectives, if we choose.
>> >> >
>> >> > personally I think we should continue to avoid politics.  and if we
>> >> > discuss religion, we should only do it with respect and  mutuality.
>> >> >
>> >> > Since the freedom to have humor and chat is so offensive to some
>> >> > long-term members of stylist, this way they would still have their
>> >> > list as a quiet low-traffic list.  and we could post on the high
>> >> > traffic list without always feeling like we have to look behind.
>> >> >
>> >> > I've seen lists that used tags and they often work well.  however
>> >> > some of the objectors comments indicate they are tired of using their
>> >> > delete key and the use of tags wouldn't help this.
>> >> >
>> >> > on both lists it is important that we keep an eye on the subject
>> >> > lines.  I've been guilty of that too, hitting reply without updating
>> >> > the subject line.
>> >> >
>> >> > I also want to add that I know Robert's heart  is full of concern to
>> >> > do  right by this Division.  I think a two list solution is the best
>> >> > option.
>> >> > jc
>> >> >
>> >> > Jim Canaday M.A.
>> >> > Lawrence, KS
>> >> >
>> >> > At 04:38 AM 4/6/2009, you wrote:
>> >> > >STYLIST members, I wish to revisit this idea of having two
>> >> > lists. One
>> >> > >would be STYLIST and it would be primarily for writing
>> >> > topics only. And
>> >> > >the
>> >> > second
>> >> > >would be for all other and more chatty types of topics and
>> >> > I'd call it
>> >> > >Writers Chat. What we would have to do, is monitor ourselves in the
>> >> > >light
>> >> > of
>> >> > >(besides doing the writing stuff on STYLIST and the chatty on the WC
>> >> > >list), but if for example on the chatty list, if you get
>> >> > into writing
>> >> > >issues/topics, then you get those posts back onto STYLIST. Again, we
>> >> > >can do this, give it a try, try and honor the rules and watch it so
>> >> > >that neither list goes stale or even dead.
>> >> > >
>> >> > >So any discussion?
>> >> > >
>> >> > >
>> >> > >Robert Leslie Newman
>> >> > >Email- newmanrl at cox.net
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