[stylist] question
James Canaday M.A. N6YR
n6yr at sunflower.com
Wed Mar 25 22:58:30 UTC 2009
you're confusing the point. paternalism is always bad and something
we blind often suffer. circumlocution taught by these sighted
professors only serves to promote it.
I don't want or need their word game protection.
jc
Jim Canaday M.A.
Lawrence, KS
At 03:22 PM 3/25/2009, you wrote:
>Why would adults need paternalism? A handicapped person knows what
>their handicap is. Either these omnipotent people can help us get
>on with our lives or save their parental instincts for their own
>children. If their kids have to put up with these kinds of
>superiority complexes I pity them. Judith
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>>it teaches the average person that we are weak and need
>>protecting. that they know better than we do what we need, that's
>>the definition of paternalism and labeling us that way pushes paternalism.
>>jc
>>
>>Jim Canaday M.A.
>>Lawrence, KS
>>
>>At 10:31 AM 3/25/2009, you wrote:
>>>It only affects us if our life's goal is changing the world. I
>>>gave up on that decades ago.
>>>----- Original Message ----- From: "James Canaday M.A. N6YR"
>>><n6yr at sunflower.com>
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>>>>well it actually harms us by pushing a notion that circumlocution
>>>>helps us, that we need protection from the simple concept of
>>>>blindness. the the stark reality of the simple word "blind"
>>>>harms us and we sensitive weak people need the big strong
>>>>educrats and professors to come along and fix it for us.
>>>>baaah.
>>>>jc
>>>>
>>>>Jim Canaday M.A.
>>>>Lawrence, KS
>>>>
>>>>At 06:47 AM 3/25/2009, you wrote:
>>>>>The labeling of groups according to some falsely researched
>>>>>sociologists is for the sake of those who aren't a part of the
>>>>>group being labelled. When New York State labeled the blind
>>>>>visually impaired I'm sure the State Assembly felt fuzzy and
>>>>>warm. After all, they just lifted a labeling burden from those
>>>>>who were blind. However, no blind person saw better with their
>>>>>eyes, got a higher grade at school or got a job faster because
>>>>>some bureaucrat had to feel that they had done something very
>>>>>benevolent towards a charitable group that was waiting for them
>>>>>to be benevolent so that the targetted group could have a better
>>>>>life. Bureaucracies have done this with a lot of
>>>>>minorities. But they are too stupid, or self centered to notice
>>>>>that their actions are as useful as spitting in the ocean. Judith
>>>>>
>>>>>----- Original Message ----- From: "James Canaday M.A. N6YR"
>>>>><n6yr at sunflower.com>
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>>>>>Sent: Wednesday, March 25, 2009 1:31 AM
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>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>>sadly,
>>>>>>many of the terms, particularly "visually impaired" have been
>>>>>>promoted by paternalistic researchers/professors. I knew one
>>>>>>at kansas university. had all kinds of publications, teaching
>>>>>>that circumlocution actually helped us blind, and when we
>>>>>>disagreed she dismissed our protests.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>if white professors published and insisted upon how blacks
>>>>>>should be labeled, how long would that last?
>>>>>>
>>>>>>unfortunately I had to take a class as a grad student from that
>>>>>>crone. crone is a technical term.
>>>>>>she never accepted that we blind people accepted the term and
>>>>>>chose it for ourselves.
>>>>>>jc
>>>>>>
>>>>>>Jim Canaday M.A.
>>>>>>Lawrence, KS
>>>>>>
>>>>>>At 01:45 PM 3/24/2009, you wrote:
>>>>>>>John, The reality, as much as you disagree, is that being
>>>>>>>sighted is better than being blind. Terms like "visually
>>>>>>>impaired", "Visually challenged" or any of the like are
>>>>>>>legislated terms. I can't see any better or worse when a
>>>>>>>bureaucrat describes my visual limitations. I am what I
>>>>>>>am. Like I said before, I have to take those limitations, do
>>>>>>>the best I can to do what I am capable of and continue
>>>>>>>striving to be the best me I can be. I don't care how society
>>>>>>>looks at my limitations. And, yes, they are limitations. I
>>>>>>>have to be the one to deal with them. Almost every person in
>>>>>>>this world has limitations. Some can create beautiful artwork,
>>>>>>>some can't. Some can write beautifully, some can't put
>>>>>>>together a cognizant statement either verbally or in
>>>>>>>writing. Some have athletic prowess while others are happy
>>>>>>>being couch potatoes. Some love to eat while others are
>>>>>>>skinny and physically fit their entire life. All "problems",
>>>>>>>all "limitations" when put in the perspective of the optimum
>>>>>>>and people all over the world live with them every day. When
>>>>>>>was the last time you heard of the "art impaired" person? Or
>>>>>>>the person who can't sing one note without causing distress to
>>>>>>>the other person's eardrums? Are there cultures for the tone
>>>>>>>deaf? The person who can't draw a straight line? John, deal
>>>>>>>with John. Society has enough problems. As a society we have
>>>>>>>a lot to deal with, but making John socially comfortable isn't one of them.
>>>>>>>----- Original Message ----- From: "John Lee Clark"
>>>>>>><johnlee at clarktouch.com>
>>>>>>>To: "'NFBnet Writer's Division Mailing List'" <stylist at nfbnet.org>
>>>>>>>Sent: Tuesday, March 24, 2009 1:56 PM
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>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>Lori:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>I love the words blind and deaf. I abhor anything with impaired in it.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>Although the definition of blind may say one who cannot see,
>>>>>>>>and that's a
>>>>>>>>negative description, we still have the opportunity to
>>>>>>>>neutralize the word
>>>>>>>>itself and have it convey something else entirely, into
>>>>>>>>something that's
>>>>>>>>cool. Same with deaf. We can take it and turn it around,
>>>>>>>>and associate it
>>>>>>>>with culture, pride, ASL, all sorts of great and positive things.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>But you can't neutralize and turn around a term like sight
>>>>>>>>impaired. Tthat
>>>>>>>>term does two very bad, bad, bad things. First, it implies
>>>>>>>>that sight is
>>>>>>>>the ideal, that it's right, and what we SHOULD have, and that
>>>>>>>>if we don't
>>>>>>>>have it, we SHOULD want it. This is society talking, "Sight
>>>>>>>>is better."
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>Second, the term implies that we're broken or we're short of
>>>>>>>>the ideal, or
>>>>>>>>we've fallen from the grace of what society says is
>>>>>>>>normal. This is very
>>>>>>>>bad, bad, bad.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>Does NFB merely "prefer" the word blind? It shouldn't. it
>>>>>>>>should embrace
>>>>>>>>it absolutely.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>John
>>>>>>>>
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