[stylist] question

James Canaday M.A. N6YR n6yr at sunflower.com
Wed Mar 25 22:58:30 UTC 2009


you're confusing the point.  paternalism is always bad and something 
we blind often suffer.  circumlocution  taught by these sighted 
professors only serves to promote it.
I don't want or need their word game protection.
jc

Jim Canaday M.A.
Lawrence, KS

At 03:22 PM 3/25/2009, you wrote:
>Why would adults need paternalism?  A handicapped person knows what 
>their handicap is.  Either these omnipotent people can help us get 
>on with our lives or save their parental instincts for their own 
>children.  If their kids have to put up with these kinds of 
>superiority complexes I pity them. Judith
>----- Original Message ----- From: "James Canaday M.A. N6YR" 
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>>it teaches the average person that we are weak and need 
>>protecting.  that they know better than we do what we need, that's 
>>the definition of paternalism and labeling us that way pushes paternalism.
>>jc
>>
>>Jim Canaday M.A.
>>Lawrence, KS
>>
>>At 10:31 AM 3/25/2009, you wrote:
>>>It only affects us if our life's goal is changing the world.  I 
>>>gave up on that decades ago.
>>>----- Original Message ----- From: "James Canaday M.A. N6YR" 
>>><n6yr at sunflower.com>
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>>>>well it actually harms us by pushing a notion that circumlocution 
>>>>helps us, that we need protection from the simple concept of 
>>>>blindness.  the the stark reality of the simple word "blind" 
>>>>harms us and we sensitive weak people need the big strong 
>>>>educrats and professors to come along and fix it for us.
>>>>baaah.
>>>>jc
>>>>
>>>>Jim Canaday M.A.
>>>>Lawrence, KS
>>>>
>>>>At 06:47 AM 3/25/2009, you wrote:
>>>>>The labeling of groups according to some falsely researched 
>>>>>sociologists is for the sake of those who aren't a part of the 
>>>>>group being labelled. When New York State labeled the blind 
>>>>>visually impaired I'm sure the State Assembly felt fuzzy and 
>>>>>warm.  After all, they just lifted a labeling burden from those 
>>>>>who were blind.  However, no blind person saw better with their 
>>>>>eyes, got a higher grade at school or got a job faster because 
>>>>>some bureaucrat had to feel that they had done something very 
>>>>>benevolent towards a charitable group that was waiting for them 
>>>>>to be benevolent so that the targetted group could have a better 
>>>>>life. Bureaucracies have done this with a lot of 
>>>>>minorities.  But they are too stupid, or self centered to notice 
>>>>>that their actions are as useful as spitting in the ocean.  Judith
>>>>>
>>>>>----- Original Message ----- From: "James Canaday M.A. N6YR" 
>>>>><n6yr at sunflower.com>
>>>>>To: "NFBnet Writer's Division Mailing List" <stylist at nfbnet.org>
>>>>>Sent: Wednesday, March 25, 2009 1:31 AM
>>>>>Subject: Re: [stylist] question
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>>>>>
>>>>>>sadly,
>>>>>>many of the terms, particularly "visually impaired"  have been 
>>>>>>promoted by paternalistic researchers/professors.  I knew one 
>>>>>>at kansas university. had all kinds of publications, teaching 
>>>>>>that circumlocution actually helped us blind, and when we 
>>>>>>disagreed she dismissed our protests.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>if white professors published and insisted upon how blacks 
>>>>>>should be labeled, how long would that last?
>>>>>>
>>>>>>unfortunately I had to take a class as a grad student from that 
>>>>>>crone. crone is a technical term.
>>>>>>she never accepted that we blind people accepted the term and 
>>>>>>chose it for ourselves.
>>>>>>jc
>>>>>>
>>>>>>Jim Canaday M.A.
>>>>>>Lawrence, KS
>>>>>>
>>>>>>At 01:45 PM 3/24/2009, you wrote:
>>>>>>>John, The reality, as much as you disagree, is that being 
>>>>>>>sighted is better than being blind.  Terms like "visually 
>>>>>>>impaired", "Visually challenged" or any of the like are 
>>>>>>>legislated terms.  I can't see any better or worse when a 
>>>>>>>bureaucrat describes my visual limitations.  I am what I 
>>>>>>>am.  Like I said before, I have to take those limitations, do 
>>>>>>>the best I can to do what I am capable of and continue 
>>>>>>>striving to be the best me I can be.  I don't care how society 
>>>>>>>looks at my limitations. And, yes, they are limitations.  I 
>>>>>>>have to be the one to deal with them. Almost every person in 
>>>>>>>this world has limitations. Some can create beautiful artwork, 
>>>>>>>some can't.  Some can write beautifully, some can't put 
>>>>>>>together a cognizant statement either verbally or in 
>>>>>>>writing.  Some have athletic prowess while others are happy 
>>>>>>>being couch potatoes.  Some love to eat while others are 
>>>>>>>skinny and physically fit their entire life.  All "problems", 
>>>>>>>all "limitations" when put in the perspective of the optimum 
>>>>>>>and people all over the world live with them every day. When 
>>>>>>>was the last time you heard of the "art impaired" person? Or 
>>>>>>>the person who can't sing one note without causing distress to 
>>>>>>>the other person's eardrums?  Are there cultures for the tone 
>>>>>>>deaf?  The person who can't draw a straight line?  John, deal 
>>>>>>>with John.  Society has enough problems. As a society we have 
>>>>>>>a lot to deal with, but making John socially comfortable isn't one of them.
>>>>>>>----- Original Message ----- From: "John Lee Clark" 
>>>>>>><johnlee at clarktouch.com>
>>>>>>>To: "'NFBnet Writer's Division Mailing List'" <stylist at nfbnet.org>
>>>>>>>Sent: Tuesday, March 24, 2009 1:56 PM
>>>>>>>Subject: Re: [stylist] question
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>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>Lori:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>I love the words blind and deaf.  I abhor anything with impaired in it.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>Although the definition of blind may say one who cannot see, 
>>>>>>>>and that's a
>>>>>>>>negative description, we still have the opportunity to 
>>>>>>>>neutralize the word
>>>>>>>>itself and have it convey something else entirely, into 
>>>>>>>>something that's
>>>>>>>>cool.  Same with deaf.  We can take it and turn it around, 
>>>>>>>>and associate it
>>>>>>>>with culture, pride, ASL, all sorts of great and positive things.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>But you can't neutralize and turn around a term like sight 
>>>>>>>>impaired. Tthat
>>>>>>>>term does two very bad, bad, bad things.  First, it implies 
>>>>>>>>that sight is
>>>>>>>>the ideal, that it's right, and what we SHOULD have, and that 
>>>>>>>>if we don't
>>>>>>>>have it, we SHOULD want it.  This is society talking, "Sight 
>>>>>>>>is better."
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>Second, the term implies that we're broken or we're short of 
>>>>>>>>the ideal, or
>>>>>>>>we've fallen from the grace of what society says is 
>>>>>>>>normal.  This is very
>>>>>>>>bad, bad, bad.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>Does NFB merely "prefer" the word blind?  It shouldn't.  it 
>>>>>>>>should embrace
>>>>>>>>it absolutely.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>John
>>>>>>>>
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