[stylist] paternalism
Angela fowler
fowlers at syix.com
Wed Mar 25 21:56:58 UTC 2009
Let's change these subject lines a bit, what do you say?
-----Original Message-----
From: stylist-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:stylist-bounces at nfbnet.org] On
Behalf Of James Canaday M.A. N6YR
Sent: Wednesday, March 25, 2009 3:59 PM
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Subject: Re: [stylist] question
you're confusing the point. paternalism is always bad and something we
blind often suffer. circumlocution taught by these sighted professors only
serves to promote it.
I don't want or need their word game protection.
jc
Jim Canaday M.A.
Lawrence, KS
At 03:22 PM 3/25/2009, you wrote:
>Why would adults need paternalism? A handicapped person knows what
>their handicap is. Either these omnipotent people can help us get on
>with our lives or save their parental instincts for their own children.
>If their kids have to put up with these kinds of superiority complexes
>I pity them. Judith
>----- Original Message ----- From: "James Canaday M.A. N6YR"
><n6yr at sunflower.com>
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>>it teaches the average person that we are weak and need protecting.
>>that they know better than we do what we need, that's the definition
>>of paternalism and labeling us that way pushes paternalism.
>>jc
>>
>>Jim Canaday M.A.
>>Lawrence, KS
>>
>>At 10:31 AM 3/25/2009, you wrote:
>>>It only affects us if our life's goal is changing the world. I gave
>>>up on that decades ago.
>>>----- Original Message ----- From: "James Canaday M.A. N6YR"
>>><n6yr at sunflower.com>
>>>To: "NFBnet Writer's Division Mailing List" <stylist at nfbnet.org>
>>>Sent: Wednesday, March 25, 2009 12:40 PM
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>>>
>>>>well it actually harms us by pushing a notion that circumlocution
>>>>helps us, that we need protection from the simple concept of
>>>>blindness. the the stark reality of the simple word "blind"
>>>>harms us and we sensitive weak people need the big strong educrats
>>>>and professors to come along and fix it for us.
>>>>baaah.
>>>>jc
>>>>
>>>>Jim Canaday M.A.
>>>>Lawrence, KS
>>>>
>>>>At 06:47 AM 3/25/2009, you wrote:
>>>>>The labeling of groups according to some falsely researched
>>>>>sociologists is for the sake of those who aren't a part of the
>>>>>group being labelled. When New York State labeled the blind
>>>>>visually impaired I'm sure the State Assembly felt fuzzy and warm.
>>>>>After all, they just lifted a labeling burden from those who were
>>>>>blind. However, no blind person saw better with their eyes, got a
>>>>>higher grade at school or got a job faster because some bureaucrat
>>>>>had to feel that they had done something very benevolent towards a
>>>>>charitable group that was waiting for them to be benevolent so that
>>>>>the targetted group could have a better life. Bureaucracies have
>>>>>done this with a lot of minorities. But they are too stupid, or
>>>>>self centered to notice that their actions are as useful as
>>>>>spitting in the ocean. Judith
>>>>>
>>>>>----- Original Message ----- From: "James Canaday M.A. N6YR"
>>>>><n6yr at sunflower.com>
>>>>>To: "NFBnet Writer's Division Mailing List" <stylist at nfbnet.org>
>>>>>Sent: Wednesday, March 25, 2009 1:31 AM
>>>>>Subject: Re: [stylist] question
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>>sadly,
>>>>>>many of the terms, particularly "visually impaired" have been
>>>>>>promoted by paternalistic researchers/professors. I knew one at
>>>>>>kansas university. had all kinds of publications, teaching that
>>>>>>circumlocution actually helped us blind, and when we disagreed she
>>>>>>dismissed our protests.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>if white professors published and insisted upon how blacks should
>>>>>>be labeled, how long would that last?
>>>>>>
>>>>>>unfortunately I had to take a class as a grad student from that
>>>>>>crone. crone is a technical term.
>>>>>>she never accepted that we blind people accepted the term and
>>>>>>chose it for ourselves.
>>>>>>jc
>>>>>>
>>>>>>Jim Canaday M.A.
>>>>>>Lawrence, KS
>>>>>>
>>>>>>At 01:45 PM 3/24/2009, you wrote:
>>>>>>>John, The reality, as much as you disagree, is that being sighted
>>>>>>>is better than being blind. Terms like "visually impaired",
>>>>>>>"Visually challenged" or any of the like are legislated terms. I
>>>>>>>can't see any better or worse when a bureaucrat describes my
>>>>>>>visual limitations. I am what I am. Like I said before, I have
>>>>>>>to take those limitations, do the best I can to do what I am
>>>>>>>capable of and continue striving to be the best me I can be. I
>>>>>>>don't care how society looks at my limitations. And, yes, they
>>>>>>>are limitations. I have to be the one to deal with them. Almost
>>>>>>>every person in this world has limitations. Some can create
>>>>>>>beautiful artwork, some can't. Some can write beautifully, some
>>>>>>>can't put together a cognizant statement either verbally or in
>>>>>>>writing. Some have athletic prowess while others are happy being
>>>>>>>couch potatoes. Some love to eat while others are skinny and
>>>>>>>physically fit their entire life. All "problems", all
>>>>>>>"limitations" when put in the perspective of the optimum and
>>>>>>>people all over the world live with them every day. When was the
>>>>>>>last time you heard of the "art impaired" person? Or the person
>>>>>>>who can't sing one note without causing distress to the other
>>>>>>>person's eardrums? Are there cultures for the tone deaf? The
>>>>>>>person who can't draw a straight line? John, deal with John.
>>>>>>>Society has enough problems. As a society we have a lot to deal
>>>>>>>with, but making John socially comfortable isn't one of them.
>>>>>>>----- Original Message ----- From: "John Lee Clark"
>>>>>>><johnlee at clarktouch.com>
>>>>>>>To: "'NFBnet Writer's Division Mailing List'"
>>>>>>><stylist at nfbnet.org>
>>>>>>>Sent: Tuesday, March 24, 2009 1:56 PM
>>>>>>>Subject: Re: [stylist] question
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>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>Lori:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>I love the words blind and deaf. I abhor anything with impaired in
it.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>Although the definition of blind may say one who cannot see, and
>>>>>>>>that's a negative description, we still have the opportunity to
>>>>>>>>neutralize the word itself and have it convey something else
>>>>>>>>entirely, into something that's cool. Same with deaf. We can
>>>>>>>>take it and turn it around, and associate it with culture,
>>>>>>>>pride, ASL, all sorts of great and positive things.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>But you can't neutralize and turn around a term like sight
>>>>>>>>impaired. Tthat term does two very bad, bad, bad things. First,
>>>>>>>>it implies that sight is the ideal, that it's right, and what we
>>>>>>>>SHOULD have, and that if we don't have it, we SHOULD want it.
>>>>>>>>This is society talking, "Sight is better."
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>Second, the term implies that we're broken or we're short of the
>>>>>>>>ideal, or we've fallen from the grace of what society says is
>>>>>>>>normal. This is very bad, bad, bad.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>Does NFB merely "prefer" the word blind? It shouldn't. it
>>>>>>>>should embrace it absolutely.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>John
>>>>>>>>
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