[stylist] paternalism

kec92 at ourlink.net kec92 at ourlink.net
Wed Mar 25 23:08:18 UTC 2009


 I
agree. There are so many with the same subject lines that it seems
overwhelming.
 On Wed 03/25/09 2:56 PM , "Angela fowler" fowlers at syix.com sent:
  Let's change these subject lines a bit, what do you say? 
 -----Original Message-----
 From: stylist-bounces at nfbnet.org [] On
 Behalf Of James Canaday M.A. N6YR
 Sent: Wednesday, March 25, 2009 3:59 PM
 To: NFBnet Writer's Division Mailing List
 Subject: Re: [stylist] question
 you're confusing the point. paternalism is always bad and something
we
 blind often suffer. circumlocution taught by these sighted
professors only
 serves to promote it.
 I don't want or need their word game protection.
 jc
 Jim Canaday M.A.
 Lawrence, KS
 At 03:22 PM 3/25/2009, you wrote:
 >Why would adults need paternalism? A handicapped person knows what 
 >their handicap is. Either these omnipotent people can help us get
on 
 >with our lives or save their parental instincts for their own
children. 
 >If their kids have to put up with these kinds of superiority
complexes 
 >I pity them. Judith
 >----- Original Message ----- From: "James Canaday M.A. N6YR" 
 >
 >To: "NFBnet Writer's Division Mailing List" 
 >Sent: Wednesday, March 25, 2009 4:55 PM
 >Subject: Re: [stylist] question
 >
 >
 >>it teaches the average person that we are weak and need
protecting. 
 >>that they know better than we do what we need, that's the
definition 
 >>of paternalism and labeling us that way pushes paternalism.
 >>jc
 >>
 >>Jim Canaday M.A.
 >>Lawrence, KS
 >>
 >>At 10:31 AM 3/25/2009, you wrote:
 >>>It only affects us if our life's goal is changing the world. I
gave 
 >>>up on that decades ago.
 >>>----- Original Message ----- From: "James Canaday M.A. N6YR" 
 >>>
 >>>To: "NFBnet Writer's Division Mailing List" 
 >>>Sent: Wednesday, March 25, 2009 12:40 PM
 >>>Subject: Re: [stylist] question
 >>>
 >>>
 >>>>well it actually harms us by pushing a notion that
circumlocution 
 >>>>helps us, that we need protection from the simple concept of 
 >>>>blindness. the the stark reality of the simple word "blind"
 >>>>harms us and we sensitive weak people need the big strong
educrats 
 >>>>and professors to come along and fix it for us.
 >>>>baaah.
 >>>>jc
 >>>>
 >>>>Jim Canaday M.A.
 >>>>Lawrence, KS
 >>>>
 >>>>At 06:47 AM 3/25/2009, you wrote:
 >>>>>The labeling of groups according to some falsely researched 
 >>>>>sociologists is for the sake of those who aren't a part of the 
 >>>>>group being labelled. When New York State labeled the blind 
 >>>>>visually impaired I'm sure the State Assembly felt fuzzy and
warm. 
 >>>>>After all, they just lifted a labeling burden from those who
were 
 >>>>>blind. However, no blind person saw better with their eyes, got
a 
 >>>>>higher grade at school or got a job faster because some
bureaucrat 
 >>>>>had to feel that they had done something very benevolent
towards a 
 >>>>>charitable group that was waiting for them to be benevolent so
that 
 >>>>>the targetted group could have a better life. Bureaucracies
have 
 >>>>>done this with a lot of minorities. But they are too stupid, or

 >>>>>self centered to notice that their actions are as useful as 
 >>>>>spitting in the ocean. Judith
 >>>>>
 >>>>>----- Original Message ----- From: "James Canaday M.A. N6YR" 
 >>>>>
 >>>>>To: "NFBnet Writer's Division Mailing List" 
 >>>>>Sent: Wednesday, March 25, 2009 1:31 AM
 >>>>>Subject: Re: [stylist] question
 >>>>>
 >>>>>
 >>>>>>sadly,
 >>>>>>many of the terms, particularly "visually impaired" have been 
 >>>>>>promoted by paternalistic researchers/professors. I knew one
at 
 >>>>>>kansas university. had all kinds of publications, teaching
that 
 >>>>>>circumlocution actually helped us blind, and when we disagreed
she 
 >>>>>>dismissed our protests.
 >>>>>>
 >>>>>>if white professors published and insisted upon how blacks
should 
 >>>>>>be labeled, how long would that last?
 >>>>>>
 >>>>>>unfortunately I had to take a class as a grad student from
that 
 >>>>>>crone. crone is a technical term.
 >>>>>>she never accepted that we blind people accepted the term and 
 >>>>>>chose it for ourselves.
 >>>>>>jc
 >>>>>>
 >>>>>>Jim Canaday M.A.
 >>>>>>Lawrence, KS
 >>>>>>
 >>>>>>At 01:45 PM 3/24/2009, you wrote:
 >>>>>>>John, The reality, as much as you disagree, is that being
sighted 
 >>>>>>>is better than being blind. Terms like "visually impaired", 
 >>>>>>>"Visually challenged" or any of the like are legislated
terms. I 
 >>>>>>>can't see any better or worse when a bureaucrat describes my 
 >>>>>>>visual limitations. I am what I am. Like I said before, I
have 
 >>>>>>>to take those limitations, do the best I can to do what I am 
 >>>>>>>capable of and continue striving to be the best me I can be.
I 
 >>>>>>>don't care how society looks at my limitations. And, yes,
they 
 >>>>>>>are limitations. I have to be the one to deal with them.
Almost 
 >>>>>>>every person in this world has limitations. Some can create 
 >>>>>>>beautiful artwork, some can't. Some can write beautifully,
some 
 >>>>>>>can't put together a cognizant statement either verbally or
in 
 >>>>>>>writing. Some have athletic prowess while others are happy
being 
 >>>>>>>couch potatoes. Some love to eat while others are skinny and 
 >>>>>>>physically fit their entire life. All "problems", all 
 >>>>>>>"limitations" when put in the perspective of the optimum and 
 >>>>>>>people all over the world live with them every day. When was
the 
 >>>>>>>last time you heard of the "art impaired" person? Or the
person 
 >>>>>>>who can't sing one note without causing distress to the other

 >>>>>>>person's eardrums? Are there cultures for the tone deaf? The 
 >>>>>>>person who can't draw a straight line? John, deal with John. 
 >>>>>>>Society has enough problems. As a society we have a lot to
deal 
 >>>>>>>with, but making John socially comfortable isn't one of them.
 >>>>>>>----- Original Message ----- From: "John Lee Clark" 
 >>>>>>>
 >>>>>>>To: "'NFBnet Writer's Division Mailing List'" 
 >>>>>>>
 >>>>>>>Sent: Tuesday, March 24, 2009 1:56 PM
 >>>>>>>Subject: Re: [stylist] question
 >>>>>>>
 >>>>>>>
 >>>>>>>>Lori:
 >>>>>>>>
 >>>>>>>>I love the words blind and deaf. I abhor anything with
impaired in
 it.
 >>>>>>>>
 >>>>>>>>Although the definition of blind may say one who cannot see,
and 
 >>>>>>>>that's a negative description, we still have the opportunity
to 
 >>>>>>>>neutralize the word itself and have it convey something else

 >>>>>>>>entirely, into something that's cool. Same with deaf. We can

 >>>>>>>>take it and turn it around, and associate it with culture, 
 >>>>>>>>pride, ASL, all sorts of great and positive things.
 >>>>>>>>
 >>>>>>>>But you can't neutralize and turn around a term like sight 
 >>>>>>>>impaired. Tthat term does two very bad, bad, bad things.
First, 
 >>>>>>>>it implies that sight is the ideal, that it's right, and
what we 
 >>>>>>>>SHOULD have, and that if we don't have it, we SHOULD want
it. 
 >>>>>>>>This is society talking, "Sight is better."
 >>>>>>>>
 >>>>>>>>Second, the term implies that we're broken or we're short of
the 
 >>>>>>>>ideal, or we've fallen from the grace of what society says
is 
 >>>>>>>>normal. This is very bad, bad, bad.
 >>>>>>>>
 >>>>>>>>Does NFB merely "prefer" the word blind? It shouldn't. it 
 >>>>>>>>should embrace it absolutely.
 >>>>>>>>
 >>>>>>>>John
 >>>>>>>>
 >>>>>>>>No virus found in this outgoing message.
 >>>>>>>>Checked by AVG.
 >>>>>>>>Version: 7.5.557 / Virus Database: 270.11.26/2020 - Release
 >>>>>>>>Date: 3/24/2009
 >>>>>>>>9:19 AM
 >>>>>>>>
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