[stylist] paternalism

Justin Williams justin.williams2 at gmail.com
Thu Mar 26 02:41:47 UTC 2009 

Yeah, they have started to ramble just a bit.  (smile)

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From: stylist-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:stylist-bounces at nfbnet.org] On
Behalf Of Angela fowler
Sent: Wednesday, March 25, 2009 5:57 PM
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Subject: [stylist] paternalism

Let's change these subject lines a bit, what do you say? 

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From: stylist-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:stylist-bounces at nfbnet.org] On
Behalf Of James Canaday M.A. N6YR
Sent: Wednesday, March 25, 2009 3:59 PM
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you're confusing the point.  paternalism is always bad and something we
blind often suffer.  circumlocution  taught by these sighted professors only
serves to promote it.
I don't want or need their word game protection.
jc

Jim Canaday M.A.
Lawrence, KS

At 03:22 PM 3/25/2009, you wrote:
>Why would adults need paternalism?  A handicapped person knows what 
>their handicap is.  Either these omnipotent people can help us get on 
>with our lives or save their parental instincts for their own children.  
>If their kids have to put up with these kinds of superiority complexes 
>I pity them. Judith
>----- Original Message ----- From: "James Canaday M.A. N6YR" 
><n6yr at sunflower.com>
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>>it teaches the average person that we are weak and need protecting.  
>>that they know better than we do what we need, that's the definition 
>>of paternalism and labeling us that way pushes paternalism.
>>jc
>>
>>Jim Canaday M.A.
>>Lawrence, KS
>>
>>At 10:31 AM 3/25/2009, you wrote:
>>>It only affects us if our life's goal is changing the world.  I gave 
>>>up on that decades ago.
>>>----- Original Message ----- From: "James Canaday M.A. N6YR" 
>>><n6yr at sunflower.com>
>>>To: "NFBnet Writer's Division Mailing List" <stylist at nfbnet.org>
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>>>
>>>>well it actually harms us by pushing a notion that circumlocution 
>>>>helps us, that we need protection from the simple concept of 
>>>>blindness.  the the stark reality of the simple word "blind"
>>>>harms us and we sensitive weak people need the big strong educrats 
>>>>and professors to come along and fix it for us.
>>>>baaah.
>>>>jc
>>>>
>>>>Jim Canaday M.A.
>>>>Lawrence, KS
>>>>
>>>>At 06:47 AM 3/25/2009, you wrote:
>>>>>The labeling of groups according to some falsely researched 
>>>>>sociologists is for the sake of those who aren't a part of the 
>>>>>group being labelled. When New York State labeled the blind 
>>>>>visually impaired I'm sure the State Assembly felt fuzzy and warm.  
>>>>>After all, they just lifted a labeling burden from those who were 
>>>>>blind.  However, no blind person saw better with their eyes, got a 
>>>>>higher grade at school or got a job faster because some bureaucrat 
>>>>>had to feel that they had done something very benevolent towards a 
>>>>>charitable group that was waiting for them to be benevolent so that 
>>>>>the targetted group could have a better life. Bureaucracies have 
>>>>>done this with a lot of minorities.  But they are too stupid, or 
>>>>>self centered to notice that their actions are as useful as 
>>>>>spitting in the ocean.  Judith
>>>>>
>>>>>----- Original Message ----- From: "James Canaday M.A. N6YR" 
>>>>><n6yr at sunflower.com>
>>>>>To: "NFBnet Writer's Division Mailing List" <stylist at nfbnet.org>
>>>>>Sent: Wednesday, March 25, 2009 1:31 AM
>>>>>Subject: Re: [stylist] question
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>>sadly,
>>>>>>many of the terms, particularly "visually impaired"  have been 
>>>>>>promoted by paternalistic researchers/professors.  I knew one at 
>>>>>>kansas university. had all kinds of publications, teaching that 
>>>>>>circumlocution actually helped us blind, and when we disagreed she 
>>>>>>dismissed our protests.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>if white professors published and insisted upon how blacks should 
>>>>>>be labeled, how long would that last?
>>>>>>
>>>>>>unfortunately I had to take a class as a grad student from that 
>>>>>>crone. crone is a technical term.
>>>>>>she never accepted that we blind people accepted the term and 
>>>>>>chose it for ourselves.
>>>>>>jc
>>>>>>
>>>>>>Jim Canaday M.A.
>>>>>>Lawrence, KS
>>>>>>
>>>>>>At 01:45 PM 3/24/2009, you wrote:
>>>>>>>John, The reality, as much as you disagree, is that being sighted 
>>>>>>>is better than being blind.  Terms like "visually impaired", 
>>>>>>>"Visually challenged" or any of the like are legislated terms.  I 
>>>>>>>can't see any better or worse when a bureaucrat describes my 
>>>>>>>visual limitations.  I am what I am.  Like I said before, I have 
>>>>>>>to take those limitations, do the best I can to do what I am 
>>>>>>>capable of and continue striving to be the best me I can be.  I 
>>>>>>>don't care how society looks at my limitations. And, yes, they 
>>>>>>>are limitations.  I have to be the one to deal with them. Almost 
>>>>>>>every person in this world has limitations. Some can create 
>>>>>>>beautiful artwork, some can't.  Some can write beautifully, some 
>>>>>>>can't put together a cognizant statement either verbally or in 
>>>>>>>writing.  Some have athletic prowess while others are happy being 
>>>>>>>couch potatoes.  Some love to eat while others are skinny and 
>>>>>>>physically fit their entire life.  All "problems", all 
>>>>>>>"limitations" when put in the perspective of the optimum and 
>>>>>>>people all over the world live with them every day. When was the 
>>>>>>>last time you heard of the "art impaired" person? Or the person 
>>>>>>>who can't sing one note without causing distress to the other 
>>>>>>>person's eardrums?  Are there cultures for the tone deaf?  The 
>>>>>>>person who can't draw a straight line?  John, deal with John.  
>>>>>>>Society has enough problems. As a society we have a lot to deal 
>>>>>>>with, but making John socially comfortable isn't one of them.
>>>>>>>----- Original Message ----- From: "John Lee Clark" 
>>>>>>><johnlee at clarktouch.com>
>>>>>>>To: "'NFBnet Writer's Division Mailing List'" 
>>>>>>><stylist at nfbnet.org>
>>>>>>>Sent: Tuesday, March 24, 2009 1:56 PM
>>>>>>>Subject: Re: [stylist] question
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>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>Lori:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>I love the words blind and deaf.  I abhor anything with impaired in
it.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>Although the definition of blind may say one who cannot see, and 
>>>>>>>>that's a negative description, we still have the opportunity to 
>>>>>>>>neutralize the word itself and have it convey something else 
>>>>>>>>entirely, into something that's cool.  Same with deaf.  We can 
>>>>>>>>take it and turn it around, and associate it with culture, 
>>>>>>>>pride, ASL, all sorts of great and positive things.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>But you can't neutralize and turn around a term like sight 
>>>>>>>>impaired. Tthat term does two very bad, bad, bad things.  First, 
>>>>>>>>it implies that sight is the ideal, that it's right, and what we 
>>>>>>>>SHOULD have, and that if we don't have it, we SHOULD want it.  
>>>>>>>>This is society talking, "Sight is better."
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>Second, the term implies that we're broken or we're short of the 
>>>>>>>>ideal, or we've fallen from the grace of what society says is 
>>>>>>>>normal.  This is very bad, bad, bad.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>Does NFB merely "prefer" the word blind?  It shouldn't.  it 
>>>>>>>>should embrace it absolutely.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>John
>>>>>>>>
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>>>>>>>>Date: 3/24/2009
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