[stylist] consternation! and befuddlement!<sp>

Mon Mar 30 18:40:11 UTC 2009

Jim:

About steaks, do you know that chefs are trained to touch steaks to
determine their readiness?  So this isn't an exclusively blind technique for
steaks.  

John

-----Original Message-----
From: stylist-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:stylist-bounces at nfbnet.org] On
Behalf Of James Canaday M.A. N6YR
Sent: Friday, March 27, 2009 8:52 PM
To: NFBnet Writer's Division Mailing List
Subject: Re: [stylist] consternation! and befuddlement!<sp>

I do appreciate pretty women, but our definitions might differ.  yes, 
using the cane is one of many blindness skills.  braille labeling, 
cooking without the use of your limited sight, these are other things 
you can do.
when I cook a steak I obviously can't look at it, but I use timer and 
touch to know when it is done, for example.
I use a talking clock.
I'm glad you still have some vision, but clinging to it might 
actually limit some of your activities and your enjoyment.
jc

p.s. call me jim.
Jim Canaday M.A.
Lawrence, KS

At 06:47 PM 3/27/2009, you wrote:

>JC
>
>Thanks for the praise.  I know on eother agent in the area 
>actually.  He has been at the biz far longer and makes more money 
>than a federal reserve printing press.        The largest challanges 
>are not vision related, no marketing is what gets me!
>
>anyway i'm not sure what you mean by blindness methods?
>I mean i can use a cane, read braille, and so forth.  But is there a 
>method to replace say looking at a pretty girl, or a green tree or 
><fill in blank>.    I'm not trying to get anyone down and i'm not 
>complaining.  I've got low vision and i deal but if i could be rid of it...
>
>Frank
>
>
>--- On Thu, 3/26/09, James Canaday M.A. N6YR <n6yr at sunflower.com> wrote:
>
> > From: James Canaday M.A. N6YR <n6yr at sunflower.com>
> > Subject: Re: [stylist] consternation! and befuddlement!<sp>
> > To: "NFBnet Writer's Division Mailing List" <stylist at nfbnet.org>
> > Date: Thursday, March 26, 2009, 10:24 PM
> > Frank,
> > I don't think blindness is a severe disability, for one
> > thing because there are more intense disabling conditions.
> > in 2000 I acquired congestive heart failure, and it got
> > much worse through 2004.  you want disablement, there
> > ya' go.  there is nothing like cardiac fatigue, it is
> > mental and physical.  and I couldn't walk around the
> > block at the worst.
> >
> > blindness by itself doesn't prevent us  from doing many
> > things.  and some the goal can be achieved through
> > alternative means.
> > you are right, blindness shapes who we each are as persons.
> >  it might make more difference that way than hair color or
> > height.  but blindness has good and bad effects, brings
> > strengths and inabilities.
> >
> > I know you are hanging on to your limited vision.  but you
> > have not been taught the blindness methods, have you?
> > at least from my experience I think if you tried some of
> > them you would appreciate them and find you could accomplish
> > more.
> > btw, kudos for your independent life and work.
> > would you answer a question I have Frank: with your very
> > low vision, how does that interact with being a realtor?  do
> > you or anybody else know any blind realtors?
> > jc
> >
> > Jim Canaday M.A.
> > Lawrence, KS
> >
> > At 05:08 PM 3/26/2009, you wrote:
> >
> > > Pardon but i'm still hugely confused.
> > Blindness is not a sever disability?    I guess that boils
> > down to what you mean by disability.
> > >
> > >
> > > For me, can i function with my poor sight?  yes
> > > has it been a major factor in making me who i am
> > today?  yes
> > > Have i adapted?  yes
> > >
> > > If a surgeon offered me a safe ethical procedure to
> > repair all damage and give me 20/20 vision, would i take it?
> >  Good grief yes!
> > >
> > >
> > > --- On Thu, 3/26/09, helene ryles
> > <dreamavdb at googlemail.com> wrote:
> > >
> > > > From: helene ryles
> > <dreamavdb at googlemail.com>
> > > > Subject: Re: [stylist] Does anyone want to be
> > blind?
> > > > To: "NFBnet Writer's Division Mailing
> > List" <stylist at nfbnet.org>
> > > > Date: Thursday, March 26, 2009, 11:43 AM
> > > > Judith and Alan:
> > > > Thanks for the advise. Dad was better then he was
> > last
> > > > year, but there
> > > > is still a long way to go. I've accepted
> > blindness.
> > > >
> > > > Yes, I think doctor's have got it wrong. I
> > think that
> > > > they see
> > > > blindness as something to be cured from (if
> > possible)
> > > > because their
> > > > perseption of blindness is of a severe disability
> > which it
> > > > isn't. With
> > > > the right kind of training a blind person only
> > has a minor
> > > > disability
> > > > not a severe one.
> > > >
> > > > Say take a child who is born with ROP who has
> > EVERYTHING
> > > > done to save
> > > > what little vision they've got. They spend
> > their
> > > > childhood struggling
> > > > with very severe sight loss but since the parents
> > put such
> > > > a lot of
> > > > effort into saving that little sight, they want
> > the child
> > > > to be as
> > > > 'normal' as possible which means no
> > braille, no no
> > > > cane. That kid is
> > > > relying on their weakest sense. Then their retina
> > detaches
> > > > itself
> > > > completely. They are no longer at the stage where
> > braille
> > > > can be
> > > > learnt quite as easily. They are say in 11th
> > grade and are
> > > > supposed to
> > > > be studying but now they have this problem of not
> > being
> > > > able use
> > > > vision any more. Having to learn braille by
> > touch. Having
> > > > to learn
> > > > long cane, all that on top of studying. If they
> > fail then
> > > > they might
> > > > blame this on the sight lose, but that
> > wouldn't be
> > > > true. They failed
> > > > because the family and their doctor clung too
> > much on their
> > > > sight. So
> > > > once it went. Their whole way of life went too.
> > > >
> > > > If Their parents hadn't done that. Hadn't
> > spent so
> > > > much time and
> > > > effort at the eye doctors to make the child have
> > better
> > > > vision. Put
> > > > all that effort into learning braille, long cane,
> > daily
> > > > living etc...
> > > > They really wouldn't have needed to fail.
> > > >
> > > > Of course a 3rd option could have been to have
> > the best of
> > > > both
> > > > worlds. But that's another problem. The fact
> > that so
> > > > few low vision
> > > > kids learn braille or other blind skills.
> > > >
> > > > Helene.
> > > >
> > > > On 26/03/2009, Judith Bron
> > <jbron at optonline.net>
> > > > wrote:
> > > > > Perhaps we should be sending this thread to
> > doctors.
> > > > As medical
> > > > > professionals they are committed to saving
> > as much
> > > > sight as possible.
> > > > > According to this thread some of their
> > treatments and
> > > > procedures are wrong.
> > > > > Do any of us have the right to tell them not
> > to do
> > > > what they strive to do?
> > > > > Judith
> > > > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > > > From: "James Canaday M.A. N6YR"
> > > > <n6yr at sunflower.com>
> > > > > To: "NFBnet Writer's Division
> > Mailing
> > > > List" <stylist at nfbnet.org>
> > > > > Sent: Wednesday, March 25, 2009 10:29 PM
> > > > > Subject: Re: [stylist] Does anyone want to
> > be blind?
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >> yes,
> > > > >> reading with my one squinty eye gave me
> > headaches
> > > > too.
> > > > >> personally I think far far too often the
> > educrats
> > > > resort to "sight saving"
> > > > >>
> > > > >> techniques when they should push braille
> > and other
> > > > blindness methods and
> > > > >> skills.
> > > > >> jc
> > > > >>
> > > > >> Jim Canaday M.A.
> > > > >> Lawrence, KS
> > > > >>
> > > > >> At 07:06 PM 3/25/2009, you wrote:
> > > > >>>Jim: I can identify with that since I
> > was glad
> > > > to lose the rest of my
> > > > >>>hearing for similar reasons. Being
> > presurized
> > > > into verbal
> > > > >>>communication methods that I
> > struggled with
> > > > with powerful migrane
> > > > >>>inducing hearing aids. Phew! I was
> > glad when
> > > > that was over.
> > > > >>>
> > > > >>>Helene
> > > > >>>
> > > > >>>On 26/03/2009, James Canaday M.A.
> > N6YR
> > > > <n6yr at sunflower.com> wrote:
> > > > >>> > once I became blind I was then
> > taught
> > > > braille and the audio reading
> > > > >>> > methods.  that made reading
> > much much
> > > > more pleasurable and
> > > > >>> > easier!  "sight
> > saving" meant I
> > > > was reading with my one squinty eye
> > > > >>> > peering through jewelers'
> > loop
> > > > magnification lenses that came down in
> > > > >>> > front of my glasses lense.  I
> > would not
> > > > have gone to college if I had
> > > > >>> > not lost my sight at age
> > thirteen.
> > > > >>> > jc
> > > > >>> >
> > > > >>> > Jim Canaday M.A.
> > > > >>> > Lawrence, KS
> > > > >>> >
> > > > >>> > At 06:38 PM 3/25/2009, you
> > wrote:
> > > > >>> >>I wasn't really thinking
> > of people
> > > > already blind although I've heard
> > > > >>> >>of blind people saying that
> > blindness
> > > > was the best thing that happened
> > > > >>> >>to them. Wasn't that a
> > line at the
> > > > end of one of Robert's thought
> > > > >>> >>provokers?
> > > > >>> >>
> > > > >>> >>I was thinking more of
> > sighted people
> > > > with a disorder called BIID
> > > > >>> >>where people want to be
> > disabled:
> > > > Usually amputee's but I've heard
> > > > >>> >>some of them wanting to be
> > deaf or
> > > > blind.
> > > > >>> >>
> > > > >>> >>Also I know of someone who
> > was born
> > > > blind, regained his sight and is
> > > > >>> >>now losing it again due to
> > Glycoma and
> > > > he says he is glad to be blind
> > > > >>> >>as he says he was meant to
> > be blind.
> > > > >>> >>
> > > > >>> >>As for me, I make
> > deafblindness part
> > > > of my lifestyle. It's been a
> > > > >>> >>concious choice for me to
> > fully
> > > > embrace being a deafblind person and
> > > > >>> >>move on. It's not easy
> > to begin
> > > > with, but once one fully adapts it's
> > > > >>> >>no big deal. I believe that
> > humans are
> > > > a very adaptible species that
> > > > >>> >>can manage perfectly well
> > minus one or
> > > > two senses. It's not the
> > > > >>> >>tragedy that people make of
> > it.
> > > > It's no worse or better then being
> > > > >>> >>sighted. Just differance and
> > it's
> > > > the differances that are hard at
> > > > >>> >>first, not the blindness
> > > > >>> >>
> > > > >>> >>Helene
> > > > >>> >>
> > > > >>> >>On 25/03/2009,
> > LoriStay at aol.com
> > > > <LoriStay at aol.com> wrote:
> > > > >>> >> > Not if they aren't
> > there
> > > > already.   What does wanting have to do
> > > > >>> >> > with
> > > > >>> >> > it?
> > > > >>> >> > Lori
> > > > >>> >> > In a message dated
> > 3/24/09
> > > > 8:15:48 PM, timber_wolf899 at yahoo.com
> > > > >>> >> > writes:
> > > > >>> >> >
> > > > >>> >> >
> > > > >>> >> >>
> > > > >>> >> >> does anyone want
> > to be
> > > > blind?
> > > > >>> >> >>
> > > > >>> >> >>
> > > > >>> >> >>
> > > > >>> >> >
> > > > >>> >> >
> > > > >>> >> >
> > > > >>> >> >
> > > > >>> >> > **************
> > > > >>> >> > Feeling the pinch at
> > the grocery
> > > > store?  Make dinner for $10 or
> > > > >>> >> > less.
> > > >
> > (http://food.aol.com/frugal-feasts?ncid=emlcntusfood00000001)
> > > > >>> >> >
> > > > _______________________________________________
> > > > >>> >> > Writers Division web
> > site:
> > > > >>> >> >
> > > > http://www.nfb-writers-division.org
> > > > >>> >> >
> > > > <http://www.nfb-writers-division.org/>
> > > > >>> >> >
> > > > >>> >> > stylist mailing list
> > > > >>> >> > stylist at nfbnet.org
> > > > >>> >> >
> > > >
> > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/stylist_nfbnet.org
> > > > >>> >> > To unsubscribe, change
> > your list
> > > > options or get your account info
> > > > >>> >> > for
> > > > >>> >> > stylist:
> > > > >>> >> >
> > > > >>> >>
> > > > >>>
> > > >
> > 
>
http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/stylist_nfbnet.org/dreamavdb%40googlem
ail.com
> > > > >>> >> >
> > > > >>> >>
> > > > >>>
> > > >
> > >>_______________________________________________
> > > > >>> >>Writers Division web site:
> > > > >>>
> > >>http://www.nfb-writers-division.org
> > > > >>>
> > > >
> > >><http://www.nfb-writers-division.org/>
> > > > >>> >>
> > > > >>> >>stylist mailing list
> > > > >>> >>stylist at nfbnet.org
> > > > >>>
> > > >
> > >>http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/stylist_nfbnet.org
> > > > >>> >>To unsubscribe, change your
> > list
> > > > options or get your account info for
> > > > >>> >> stylist:
> > > > >>>
> > > >
> > >>http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/stylist_nfbnet.org/n6yr%40su
> > > > >>> nflower.com
> > > > >>> >
> > > > >>> >
> > > > >>> >
> > > > _______________________________________________
> > > > >>> > Writers Division web site:
> > > > >>> >
> > http://www.nfb-writers-division.org
> > > > >>> >
> > > > <http://www.nfb-writers-division.org/>
> > > > >>> >
> > > > >>> > stylist mailing list
> > > > >>> > stylist at nfbnet.org
> > > > >>> >
> > > >
> > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/stylist_nfbnet.org
> > > > >>> > To unsubscribe, change your
> > list options
> > > > or get your account info for
> > > > >>> > stylist:
> > > > >>> >
> > > > >>>
> > > >
> > 
>
http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/stylist_nfbnet.org/dreamavdb%40googlem
ail.com
> > > > >>> >
> > > > >>>
> > > >
> > >>>_______________________________________________
> > > > >>>Writers Division web site:
> > > > >>>http://www.nfb-writers-division.org
> > > > <http://www.nfb-writers-division.org/>
> > > > >>>
> > > > >>>stylist mailing list
> > > > >>>stylist at nfbnet.org
> > > >
> > >>>http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/stylist_nfbnet.org
> > > > >>>To unsubscribe, change your list
> > options or get
> > > > your account info for
> > > > >>>stylist:
> > > >
> > >>>http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/stylist_nfbnet.org/n6yr%4
> > 0sunflower.com
> > > > >>
> > > > >>
> > > > >>
> > _______________________________________________
> > > > >> Writers Division web site:
> > > > >> http://www.nfb-writers-division.org
> > > > <http://www.nfb-writers-division.org/>
> > > > >>
> > > > >> stylist mailing list
> > > > >> stylist at nfbnet.org
> > > > >>
> > > >
> > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/stylist_nfbnet.org
> > > > >> To unsubscribe, change your list options
> > or get
> > > > your account info for
> > > > >> stylist:
> > > > >>
> > > >
> > 
>
http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/stylist_nfbnet.org/jbron%40optonline.n
et
> > > > >>
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > _______________________________________________
> > > > > Writers Division web site:
> > > > > http://www.nfb-writers-division.org
> > > > <http://www.nfb-writers-division.org/>
> > > > >
> > > > > stylist mailing list
> > > > > stylist at nfbnet.org
> > > > >
> > > >
> > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/stylist_nfbnet.org
> > > > > To unsubscribe, change your list options or
> > get your
> > > > account info for
> > > > > stylist:
> > > > >
> > > >
> > 
>
http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/stylist_nfbnet.org/dreamavdb%40googlem
ail.com
> > > > >
> > > >
> > > > _______________________________________________
> > > > Writers Division web site:
> > > > http://www.nfb-writers-division.org
> > > > <http://www.nfb-writers-division.org/>
> > > >
> > > > stylist mailing list
> > > > stylist at nfbnet.org
> > > >
> > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/stylist_nfbnet.org
> > > > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get
> > your
> > > > account info for stylist:
> > > >
> > 
>
http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/stylist_nfbnet.org/timber_wolf899%40ya
hoo.com
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > _______________________________________________
> > > Writers Division web site:
> > > http://www.nfb-writers-division.org
> > <http://www.nfb-writers-division.org/>
> > >
> > > stylist mailing list
> > > stylist at nfbnet.org
> > >
> > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/stylist_nfbnet.org
> > > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your
> > account info for stylist:
> > >
> > 
>
http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/stylist_nfbnet.org/n6yr%40sunflower.co
m
> >
> >
> > _______________________________________________
> > Writers Division web site:
> > http://www.nfb-writers-division.org
> > <http://www.nfb-writers-division.org/>
> >
> > stylist mailing list
> > stylist at nfbnet.org
> > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/stylist_nfbnet.org
> > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your
> > account info for stylist:
> > 
>
http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/stylist_nfbnet.org/timber_wolf899%40ya
hoo.com
>
>
>
>
>_______________________________________________
>Writers Division web site:
>http://www.nfb-writers-division.org <http://www.nfb-writers-division.org/>
>
>stylist mailing list
>stylist at nfbnet.org
>http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/stylist_nfbnet.org
>To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for
stylist:
>http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/stylist_nfbnet.org/n6yr%40sunflower.c
om

_______________________________________________
Writers Division web site:
http://www.nfb-writers-division.org <http://www.nfb-writers-division.org/>

stylist mailing list
stylist at nfbnet.org
http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/stylist_nfbnet.org
To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for
stylist:
http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/stylist_nfbnet.org/johnlee%40clarktouc
h.com

No virus found in this incoming message.
Checked by AVG. 
Version: 7.5.557 / Virus Database: 270.11.30/2025 - Release Date: 3/26/2009
8:05 PM

No virus found in this outgoing message.
Checked by AVG. 
Version: 7.5.557 / Virus Database: 270.11.30/2025 - Release Date: 3/26/2009
8:05 PM