[stylist] Novel Outlines/research

Thu Jul 15 00:43:45 UTC 2010

well,
without looking I knew that if there were a u.s. 
army soldier's death in combat in 1820 it either 
had to have been a possible indian war, or 
overseas action.  the overseas actions I found 
with five minutes looking may not have included 
any actual u.s. army soldiers, given the description.

I am very curious why she picked 1820.   that was 
a time of economic trouble in the very young 
united states, and the war of 1812 had left bitter scars.

jc

At 06:53 PM 7/14/2010, you wrote:
>This just shows what a little research can do.
>Thanks, Jim.
>If the writer calls as she promised, I'll read her the list and let her pick.
>Lori
>On Jul 13, 2010, at 11:44:13 PM, "James H. \" <n6yr at sunflower.com> wrote:
>
>From:   "James H. \" <n6yr at sunflower.com>
>Subject:    Re: [stylist] Novel Outlines/research
>Date:   July 13, 2010 11:44:13 PM EDT
>To: "Writer's Division Mailing List" <stylist at nfbnet.org>
>1820,
>possible indian wars.
>
>Aricara 1823. nothing in 1820.
>foreign wars:
>1820-1829
>
>1820-23 Â Africa. Naval units raided the slave traffic pursuant to the 1819
>act of Congress.
>[RL30172]
>[Slave Traffic]
>
>1822 Â Cuba. United States naval forcesÂ
>suppressing piracy landed on the northwest coastÂ
>of Cuba and burned a pirate station.
>[RL30172]
>
>1823 Â Cuba. Brief landings in pursuit of pirates occurred April 8 near
>Escondido
>; April 16 near
>Cayo Blanco
>; July 11 at
>Siquapa Bay
>; July 21 at
>Cape Cruz
>; and October 23 at
>Camrioca.
>[RL30172]
>
>1824 Â Cuba. In October the
>USS Porpoise
>landed
>bluejackets
>near
>Matanzas
>in pursuit of pirates. This was during the cruise authorized in 1822.
>[RL30172]
>
>1824 Â
>Puerto Rico
>(Spanish territory). Commodore
>David Porter
>with a landing party attacked the town of
>Fajardo
>which had sheltered pirates and insultedÂ
>American naval officers. He landed with 200 menÂ
>in November and forced an apology. Commodore Porter was later
>court-martialed for overstepping his powers.
>[RL30172]
>
>1825 Â Cuba. In March cooperating American and British forces landed at
>Sagua La Grande
>to capture pirates.
>[RL30172]
>
>1827 Â Greece. In October and November landing parties hunted pirates on the
>Mediterranean
>islands of
>Argenteire,
>Myconos
>, and
>Andros.
>
>
>jc
>
>At 07:39 PM 7/13/2010, you wrote:
> >I don't use outlines per se. Sometimes I'llÂ
> >write a short story, then expand on that. If IÂ
> >know how it ends, well and good. I don'tÂ
> >always. That sometimes means I have to toss out material that doesn't work.
> >
> >What I do find some writers do is to writeÂ
> >without researching, and then they get caught inÂ
> >a glaring error. One recently gave me materialÂ
> >to read in which she said her main character'sÂ
> >father died in battle in 1820. So I asked, whoÂ
> >was fighting in the U.S. in 1820? I knew aboutÂ
> >the war of 1812, and the Alamo, which I'm toldÂ
> >is 1836, and the civil war, about 1858, but notÂ
> >1820. When I asked about it, she said, "oh, I just picked a date."
> >Now it's possible there was some fighting goingÂ
> >on in 1820 in some obscure place. But sheÂ
> >hadn't done her research, and I picked up onÂ
> >it. I'm not a historian, so if I picked up onÂ
> >it, so would just about anyone who read the piece.
> >Lori
> >
> >On Jul 11, 2010, at 5:45:43 PM, "James H. \" <n6yr at sunflower.com> wrote:
> >
> >From: "James H. \" <n6yr at sunflower.com>
> >Subject: Re: [stylist] Novel Outlines
> >Date: July 11, 2010 5:45:43 PM EDT
> >To: "Writer's Division Mailing List" <stylist at nfbnet.org>
> >Joe,
> >if you look back a few issues of slate and style, you can find my
> >article "herding your ideas" where I deal with this.
> >
> >outlines are not the end all and be all.
> >I think for nonfiction they're pretty much a requirement for a piece
> >of over 500-words. but for fiction, authors have used all kinds of methods.
> >
> >for organizing fiction writing for myself I don't use something like
> >an outline, nowhere near that organized or precise.
> >I take ideas and elements and string them together into what I call a
> >"sketch" just written like a paragraph only I use telegraphic
> >language since I'm the only one who's reading it.
> >then I can go back and stick in other elements or cross connections
> >once I have the plot line put together.
> >
> >as I write from one of these, I sometimes find I have to reorganize
> >during the composition, usually putting things 
> together in a different order.
> >
> >some authors journal while they write. the journals allow them to
> >quickly put down ideas related to other story elements where they're
> >not composing at the time, or to other pieces
> >altogether. journalizing allows those ideas to be dealt with quickly
> >to avoid distraction during composition.
> >
> >hope this helps Joe.
> >jc
> >
> >At 02:55 PM 7/11/2010, you wrote:
> > > Hello all,
> > >
> > >Okay, so my so-called novel is coming along at a decent hum. Who knows if
> > >it will ever amount to anything, but damn it, at least it's coming along!
> > >So, my question: How many of you guys use 
> outlines to write, and if you do,
> > >what kind of format do you use? I'm considering a few different outcomes,
> > >and although I always hesitated to use outlines for anything other than
> > >academic pieces, I think I'd better become more organized. Any thoughts,
> > >tips, suggestions would be most appreciated. Thanks.
> > >
> > >Joe
> > >
> > >"Hard work spotlights the character of people: some turn up their sleeves,
> > >some turn up their noses, and some don't turn up at all."--Sam Ewing
> > >
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