[stylist] Novel Outlines/research

Wed Jul 14 23:53:35 UTC 2010

This just shows what a little research can do.
Thanks, Jim.
If the writer calls as she promised, I'll read her the list and let her pick.
Lori
On Jul 13, 2010, at 11:44:13 PM, "James H. \" <n6yr at sunflower.com> wrote:

From:   "James H. \" <n6yr at sunflower.com>
Subject:    Re: [stylist] Novel Outlines/research
Date:   July 13, 2010 11:44:13 PM EDT
To: "Writer's Division Mailing List" <stylist at nfbnet.org>
1820,
possible indian wars.

Aricara 1823. nothing in 1820.
foreign wars:
1820-1829

1820-23 – Africa. Naval units raided the slave traffic pursuant to the 1819
act of Congress.
[RL30172]
[Slave Traffic]

1822 – Cuba. United States naval forces 
suppressing piracy landed on the northwest coast 
of Cuba and burned a pirate station.
[RL30172]

1823 – Cuba. Brief landings in pursuit of pirates occurred April 8 near
Escondido
; April 16 near
Cayo Blanco
; July 11 at
Siquapa Bay
; July 21 at
Cape Cruz
; and October 23 at
Camrioca.
[RL30172]

1824 – Cuba. In October the
USS Porpoise
landed
bluejackets
near
Matanzas
in pursuit of pirates. This was during the cruise authorized in 1822.
[RL30172]

1824 –
Puerto Rico
(Spanish territory). Commodore
David Porter
with a landing party attacked the town of
Fajardo
which had sheltered pirates and insulted 
American naval officers. He landed with 200 men 
in November and forced an apology. Commodore Porter was later
court-martialed for overstepping his powers.
[RL30172]

1825 – Cuba. In March cooperating American and British forces landed at
Sagua La Grande
to capture pirates.
[RL30172]

1827 – Greece. In October and November landing parties hunted pirates on the
Mediterranean
islands of
Argenteire,
Myconos
, and
Andros.

jc

At 07:39 PM 7/13/2010, you wrote:
>I don't use outlines per se. Sometimes I'll 
>write a short story, then expand on that. If I 
>know how it ends, well and good. I don't 
>always. That sometimes means I have to toss out material that doesn't work.
>
>What I do find some writers do is to write 
>without researching, and then they get caught in 
>a glaring error. One recently gave me material 
>to read in which she said her main character's 
>father died in battle in 1820. So I asked, who 
>was fighting in the U.S. in 1820? I knew about 
>the war of 1812, and the Alamo, which I'm told 
>is 1836, and the civil war, about 1858, but not 
>1820. When I asked about it, she said, "oh, I just picked a date."
>Now it's possible there was some fighting going 
>on in 1820 in some obscure place. But she 
>hadn't done her research, and I picked up on 
>it. I'm not a historian, so if I picked up on 
>it, so would just about anyone who read the piece.
>Lori
>
>On Jul 11, 2010, at 5:45:43 PM, "James H. \" <n6yr at sunflower.com> wrote:
>
>From: "James H. \" <n6yr at sunflower.com>
>Subject: Re: [stylist] Novel Outlines
>Date: July 11, 2010 5:45:43 PM EDT
>To: "Writer's Division Mailing List" <stylist at nfbnet.org>
>Joe,
>if you look back a few issues of slate and style, you can find my
>article "herding your ideas" where I deal with this.
>
>outlines are not the end all and be all.
>I think for nonfiction they're pretty much a requirement for a piece
>of over 500-words. but for fiction, authors have used all kinds of methods.
>
>for organizing fiction writing for myself I don't use something like
>an outline, nowhere near that organized or precise.
>I take ideas and elements and string them together into what I call a
>"sketch" just written like a paragraph only I use telegraphic
>language since I'm the only one who's reading it.
>then I can go back and stick in other elements or cross connections
>once I have the plot line put together.
>
>as I write from one of these, I sometimes find I have to reorganize
>during the composition, usually putting things together in a different order.
>
>some authors journal while they write. the journals allow them to
>quickly put down ideas related to other story elements where they're
>not composing at the time, or to other pieces
>altogether. journalizing allows those ideas to be dealt with quickly
>to avoid distraction during composition.
>
>hope this helps Joe.
>jc
>
>At 02:55 PM 7/11/2010, you wrote:
> > Hello all,
> >
> >Okay, so my so-called novel is coming along at a decent hum. Who knows if
> >it will ever amount to anything, but damn it, at least it's coming along!
> >So, my question: How many of you guys use outlines to write, and if you do,
> >what kind of format do you use? I'm considering a few different outcomes,
> >and although I always hesitated to use outlines for anything other than
> >academic pieces, I think I'd better become more organized. Any thoughts,
> >tips, suggestions would be most appreciated. Thanks.
> >
> >Joe
> >
> >"Hard work spotlights the character of people: some turn up their sleeves,
> >some turn up their noses, and some don't turn up at all."--Sam Ewing
> >
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