[stylist] Pet PVS- Correcting fellow writers
PAUL BAVER
pebaver at verizon.net
Sun Apr 1 11:31:49 UTC 2012
Thank you Linda, for me, finding the passion to write, was very hard for me,
my growth within myself was more then a challenge to accept, and find. Your
encouragement lifts me even higher in my believing in myself. I feel it's
such a privilege to be a part of such a learned group of people. Thank you
Paul E Baver
----- Original Message -----
From: "Lynda Lambert" <llambert at zoominternet.net>
To: "Writer's Division Mailing List" <stylist at nfbnet.org>
Sent: Saturday, March 31, 2012 11:18 PM
Subject: Re: [stylist] Pet PVS- Correcting fellow writers
>
> I look forward to hearing a LOT more from you, Paul.
> You are a treasure and I am so glad you have been writing about your life
> as you have lived it. I agree with Eve, I think I love you, too!
>
> No, I am not familiar with the book - sounds wonderful to me, too.
>
> I worked with amazing writers and thinkers at Geneva College. Though I am
> now retired, we still keep in very close touch, have lunch together often,
> and stay abreast of what is going on in the various departments. We were
> always so excited when we had exceptional students who came from so many
> different kinds of life situations. And, so many of us loved working
> across disciplines together doing innovative and experimental courses. We
> would get together and begin to dream of exciting things we could do
> together to give our students a college experience that was so outside the
> box. I have always thought I must be the luckiest person in the world to
> be able to read such fantastic books and to be able to share them with the
> students. I used to say that even if I was never paid for doing this job,
> I would be there for free it was so exciting. From their first English
> comp. classes with me, we began writing and publishing student work. One
> prof. friend required his students to be published during the 15 week
> course. It was the only way a student would ever earn an A in his course.
> No publishing, no A for the final grade.
>
> Our students had wings and they could fly from the very beginning of their
> studies. It is great and daring IDEAS that give us our wings and make us
> soar. Daring and exciting ideas. Dangerous ideas. Your life growing up
> on the streets has given you insight that no amount of research could give
> anyone. That is your story - and it is yours to tell in your own way.
>
> Lynda
>
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> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Eve Sanchez" <3rdeyeonly at gmail.com>
> To: "Writer's Division Mailing List" <stylist at nfbnet.org>
> Sent: Saturday, March 31, 2012 1:56 PM
> Subject: Re: [stylist] Pet PVS- Correcting fellow writers
>
>
>> Have you ever read Piers Anthony. He published a book called What Is
>> Earth
>> some twenty- thirty years ago that is an exploration of editing and
>> editors. It was originally a book written in the fifties that was severly
>> marked in red. When he became an extablished and successful writer he
>> revisited the project and used it as a teaching tool. Wonderful insight
>> from a true pro. Just a foot note here, I did not know that Reading
>> was
>> a real place. I always thought it was just a square on the Monopoly
>> board.
>> haha Paul, I spent a lot of times on the streets as well when I was
>> young
>> and could relate to what you are saying. Some of the lessons I learned
>> from
>> philosophical homeless drug addicts were some of the most poignant words
>> I
>> have eer heard. I look forward to your book being published. Eve
>>
>> On Sat, Mar 31, 2012 at 9:45 AM, Lynda Lambert
>> <llambert at zoominternet.net>wrote:
>>
>>> Are you familiar with the museum in Reading? I spoke there a few years
>>> ago
>>> - lectured on African American Art and Literature. I used to speak all
>>> over
>>> PA through the Pennsylvania Humanitis Council and the Pennsylvania
>>> Council
>>> on the Arts. I absolutely love African American art and literature. I
>>> love
>>> the diction and the use of language and imagery we find in it.
>>>
>>> Lynda
>>>
>>>
>>> Lynda Lambert
>>> 104 River Road
>>> Ellwood City, PA 16117
>>>
>>> 724 758 4979
>>>
>>> My Blog:
>>> http://www.**walkingbyinnervision.blogspot.**com<http://www.walkingbyinnervision.blogspot.com/>
>>> My Website: http://lyndalambert.com
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "PAUL BAVER" <pebaver at verizon.net>
>>> To: "Writer's Division Mailing List" <stylist at nfbnet.org>
>>> Sent: Saturday, March 31, 2012 11:04 AM
>>>
>>> Subject: Re: [stylist] Pet PVS- Correcting fellow writers
>>>
>>>
>>> I have a similar circumstance, my very best critic has been a (25-year
>>>> old), street smart young man that grew up on the streets of Reading PA
>>>> with
>>>> a ninth grade education , and is very street smart. I have been
>>>> mentoring
>>>> him for now going on eleven years, I started writing my book, with all
>>>> of
>>>> the anger that I could find, along with every expletive, that I could
>>>> think
>>>> of, as I also grew up on the streets of Reading PA. . This street
>>>> smart,
>>>> young man, which knows how to use every adjective describing anything,
>>>> or
>>>> everything, told me that if I want to give him a reason to change, or a
>>>> reader a reason to change. Then write, in a way that would make him, or
>>>> any
>>>> reader see that change is possable. He stirnly told me, if you want me
>>>> to
>>>> see that if I want to make my life better, then show me how to think
>>>> better, speak better, and how to respect myself for the changes that
>>>> your
>>>> book knows is possible, now that's profound to me, and very powerful.
>>>> Thanks again Paul E Baver
>>>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Lynda Lambert" <
>>>> llambert at zoominternet.net>
>>>> To: "Writer's Division Mailing List" <stylist at nfbnet.org>
>>>> Sent: Saturday, March 31, 2012 9:39 AM
>>>> Subject: Re: [stylist] Pet PVS- Correcting fellow writers
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Paul there are really great people here and I have benefited even
>>>> though
>>>>> I have not been here for very long. I received a little bit of good
>>>>> feedback that challenged me to take another look at the couple of
>>>>> things I
>>>>> up up. I can see that there are just a few who are giving feedback
>>>>> and I
>>>>> can see why that is. The more feedback we give and recieve the better
>>>>> it is
>>>>> for helping us with growth. But, feedback is not the same as ranting
>>>>> or
>>>>> bullying a person who has honestly put forth an idea for discussion or
>>>>> put
>>>>> forth something they have written.
>>>>>
>>>>> I appreciate honest and thoughtful feedback. Good feedback can often
>>>>> come from the most unexpected sources. Never, never think that a
>>>>> person
>>>>> has to have a degree in writing to be able to give good feedback. My
>>>>> best
>>>>> proof reader and person to discuss my work with is an auto mechanic
>>>>> and
>>>>> welder with no degree in anything but life experiences. That would be
>>>>> my
>>>>> husband. He has insight and intuition and is one of the most well
>>>>> read
>>>>> people I have ever known. He reads stacks of books and is comfortable
>>>>> in
>>>>> conversations with people of all walks of life.
>>>>>
>>>>> Writers thrive on challenges, as do all artistic creative people.
>>>>> Rejection goes hand in hand with what we do. We very quickly learn
>>>>> that
>>>>> when we start putting out work out to the public. It makes us work
>>>>> harder
>>>>> once we learn that it is for our good and for our growth. We cast
>>>>> our
>>>>> work out to the public and we wait to see what comes back to us. What
>>>>> comes
>>>>> back is what we deal with. It can be an acceptance or a rejection. But
>>>>> the
>>>>> important thing is that we put it out there in the first place.
>>>>> Lynda
>>>>>
>>>>> We all need feedback. It helps us grow. What we do not ever need
>>>>> though
>>>>> is to be bullied by someone who apparently gets some twisted sort of
>>>>> pleasure from crushing another's work or spirit. That kind of thing
>>>>> always
>>>>> comes from a place of fear.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Lynda Lambert
>>>>> 104 River Road
>>>>> Ellwood City, PA 16117
>>>>>
>>>>> 724 758 4979
>>>>>
>>>>> My Blog:
>>>>> http://www.**walkingbyinnervision.blogspot.**com<http://www.walkingbyinnervision.blogspot.com/>
>>>>> My Website: http://lyndalambert.com
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "PAUL BAVER" <pebaver at verizon.net>
>>>>> To: "Writer's Division Mailing List" <stylist at nfbnet.org>
>>>>> Sent: Saturday, March 31, 2012 8:49 AM
>>>>> Subject: Re: [stylist] Pet PVS- Correcting fellow writers
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Good morning Linda, this is the encouragement I expected from the day
>>>>> I
>>>>>> joined, and I'm glad that I took the chance to voice my opinion.
>>>>>> Writing is
>>>>>> not only sharing my stories with others, for me it was a personal
>>>>>> healing
>>>>>> process, to Wright my tragic life story, it has now been three years
>>>>>> that
>>>>>> I've been working on it, and millions of tears later, it took forty
>>>>>> plus
>>>>>> years to get over myself. Now that I did get over myself, I'd like to
>>>>>> see
>>>>>> those people that are still full of themselves, get over it. I these
>>>>>> days
>>>>>> look for the Sunshine, hearing the beauty of the Birds singing and a
>>>>>> day
>>>>>> without drama, there's so much love, and beauty, to find, I have no
>>>>>> time
>>>>>> for anything but positivity in my life. I only learned to use this
>>>>>> computer
>>>>>> in (2005), and know I should be messaging now with an O-T message in
>>>>>> my
>>>>>> E-mail. I'll be doing that to the next E-mail that I send to you.
>>>>>> Again
>>>>>> thank you very much, for your genuine encouragement. Paul E Baver
>>>>>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Lynda Lambert" <
>>>>>> llambert at zoominternet.net>
>>>>>> To: "Writer's Division Mailing List" <stylist at nfbnet.org>
>>>>>> Sent: Saturday, March 31, 2012 7:36 AM
>>>>>> Subject: Re: [stylist] Pet PVS- Correcting fellow writers
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> So nice to hear that in spite of your very sad experiences here, you
>>>>>>> have kept on going with your writing. That is what it is all about.
>>>>>>> Yes, we
>>>>>>> have been given a good deal of material to write from in the wild
>>>>>>> rants we
>>>>>>> have been given here. In fact, we could develop a "character" full
>>>>>>> blown by
>>>>>>> using this material.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> And, Paul, when you have a manuscript that is ready for your
>>>>>>> publisher
>>>>>>> to go over, many eyes will be looking over it and editing it along
>>>>>>> with
>>>>>>> you. Your job is to do the writing, and the editors will be doing
>>>>>>> their
>>>>>>> job, as well as a number of others.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Paul, I am interested in knowing who some of your favorite authors
>>>>>>> are. What kinds of things do you read that you enjoy? I think that
>>>>>>> reading
>>>>>>> the things we love is the best teacher we can have. And, I am a
>>>>>>> college
>>>>>>> professor, so I can tell you for sure that is what is most
>>>>>>> important -
>>>>>>> reading and absorbing ideas from other writers. In fact, it's
>>>>>>> important to
>>>>>>> read across disciplines if you can - include philosophers,
>>>>>>> scientists,
>>>>>>> artists, and any other books you come across that might be
>>>>>>> interesting to
>>>>>>> you.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I am a visual artist and author. Right now, I just finished reading
>>>>>>> a
>>>>>>> book by Pearl S. Buck, who gives insight into China in the first 50
>>>>>>> years
>>>>>>> of the 20th century in her writing. It has enlightened me so much
>>>>>>> and given
>>>>>>> me a basis for understanding much more about the China we have
>>>>>>> today. I
>>>>>>> finished that and now I am reading another book written by a
>>>>>>> scientist.
>>>>>>> This book is on evolution and creation issues, from the scientific
>>>>>>> perspective and historical developments that have brought us to
>>>>>>> where we
>>>>>>> are today.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Don't rule out anything. The most important thing to do at any age
>>>>>>> is
>>>>>>> to read and to be a life-long learner. Our learning begins in a
>>>>>>> classroom,
>>>>>>> for some of us, but it only begins there. It is not an end in
>>>>>>> itself. It is
>>>>>>> just a baby step on the path of our lives. What takes place outside
>>>>>>> of the
>>>>>>> classroom, and long after we leave those classrooms is where our
>>>>>>> stories
>>>>>>> really take form. Our degrees (I have three of them) are a personal
>>>>>>> achievement that we set for ourselves. It is for ourselves because
>>>>>>> we chose
>>>>>>> to follow a certain path. A college professor has to have a terminal
>>>>>>> degree
>>>>>>> as well as two others to even get a job interview.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> For writing, you certainly do not have to go to collee or have
>>>>>>> degrees. Some of the finest writers we can name had no degrees. What
>>>>>>> they
>>>>>>> have though, is a keen insight into the human condition as they have
>>>>>>> experienced it. Your life experiences are what is most important to
>>>>>>> your
>>>>>>> writing. What you THINK is far more important than knowing a list of
>>>>>>> rules
>>>>>>> for writing. It is your passion and your enthusiasm that will come
>>>>>>> through.
>>>>>>> The other things will be edited out or fixed by your editors. Just
>>>>>>> keep
>>>>>>> reading and writing.
>>>>>>> So very NICE to meet you Paul.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Lynda
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Lynda Lambert
>>>>>>> 104 River Road
>>>>>>> Ellwood City, PA 16117
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> 724 758 4979
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> My Blog:
>>>>>>> http://www.**walkingbyinnervision.blogspot.**com<http://www.walkingbyinnervision.blogspot.com/>
>>>>>>> My Website: http://lyndalambert.com
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "PAUL BAVER"
>>>>>>> <pebaver at verizon.net>
>>>>>>> To: "Writer's Division Mailing List" <stylist at nfbnet.org>
>>>>>>> Sent: Friday, March 30, 2012 11:03 PM
>>>>>>> Subject: Re: [stylist] Pet PVS- Correcting fellow writers
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Hi Linda thank you, I'm sure that out of the hundred or more members
>>>>>>>> in this club, there are more then just the two of us, that truly
>>>>>>>> like
>>>>>>>> learning, and when a person gets chastised verbally it doesn't make
>>>>>>>> for a
>>>>>>>> joyful learning experience. The few that go into there ranting, and
>>>>>>>> raving,
>>>>>>>> I suppose that they must be experts in the Literary World. They
>>>>>>>> must have a
>>>>>>>> great deal of experience in writing, and must know more about
>>>>>>>> Literature,
>>>>>>>> then at my age I have time to learn. although in the two years as a
>>>>>>>> member
>>>>>>>> of this writing group, I haven't yet read any published works by
>>>>>>>> those that
>>>>>>>> go off on telling me how smart they think they are, and how there
>>>>>>>> years of
>>>>>>>> Literary expertise has given them the privilege, to give us a
>>>>>>>> verbal
>>>>>>>> lashing. I must state that, our club President, Mr. Newman, is very
>>>>>>>> helpful, and does bend over backwards, to help, in any way he can.
>>>>>>>> As for
>>>>>>>> my writing accomplishments, no I haven't had anything published
>>>>>>>> either, but
>>>>>>>> now that I've grown up, I'm working on a book, about my life, a
>>>>>>>> true
>>>>>>>> story. I hope to get it published. I must say that I've learned
>>>>>>>> from this
>>>>>>>> group, and there some very learned writers, within our membership.
>>>>>>>> I also
>>>>>>>> do like to write Pomes, but fear, instead of constructive
>>>>>>>> critiquing, I
>>>>>>>> will be told again to return to school, and become educated , in
>>>>>>>> the field
>>>>>>>> of writing, and Literature . My book surely has come a long way,
>>>>>>>> and yes
>>>>>>>> Sir, it has grown to a point that I now am having it looked at by
>>>>>>>> a
>>>>>>>> publicist. I hope to hear from her soon. I'm crossing my fingers,
>>>>>>>> and my
>>>>>>>> toes . Ok Linda, maybe I'll work on that poem about the ranting,
>>>>>>>> and raving
>>>>>>>> . Sincerely Paul E Baver
>>>>>>>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Lynda Lambert" <
>>>>>>>> llambert at zoominternet.net>
>>>>>>>> To: "Writer's Division Mailing List" <stylist at nfbnet.org>
>>>>>>>> Sent: Friday, March 30, 2012 8:06 PM
>>>>>>>> Subject: Re: [stylist] Pet PVS- Correcting fellow writers
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Paul, you could make this into a POEM!
>>>>>>>>> It could be such a fun poem to do. You have lots of material to
>>>>>>>>> draw
>>>>>>>>> from.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Lynda Lambert
>>>>>>>>> 104 River Road
>>>>>>>>> Ellwood City, PA 16117
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> 724 758 4979
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> My Blog:
>>>>>>>>> http://www.**walkingbyinnervision.blogspot.**com<http://www.walkingbyinnervision.blogspot.com/>
>>>>>>>>> My Website: http://lyndalambert.com
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "PAUL BAVER"
>>>>>>>>> <pebaver at verizon.net
>>>>>>>>> >
>>>>>>>>> To: "Writer's Division Mailing List" <stylist at nfbnet.org>
>>>>>>>>> Sent: Friday, March 30, 2012 4:12 PM
>>>>>>>>> Subject: Re: [stylist] Pet PVS- Correcting fellow writers
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Bravo Linda, I joined about two years ago, and am not, in no way
>>>>>>>>> any
>>>>>>>>>> expert in this writing process, I to, was lambasted by the rant,
>>>>>>>>>> I'm not
>>>>>>>>>> sure why the rant is so unhappy, or why the rant seams to be so
>>>>>>>>>> full of
>>>>>>>>>> bitterness, but the rant is. The rant is the reason why, I really
>>>>>>>>>> don't
>>>>>>>>>> comment or address, anything at all. Once the wrath of the rant
>>>>>>>>>> comes down
>>>>>>>>>> on you, I don't need a second round. I applaud you, and your very
>>>>>>>>>> sincere
>>>>>>>>>> thoughts. I'll brace myself, for my chastising by the rant now.
>>>>>>>>>> Paul E Baver
>>>>>>>>>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Lynda Lambert" <
>>>>>>>>>> llambert at zoominternet.net>
>>>>>>>>>> To: "Writer's Division Mailing List" <stylist at nfbnet.org>
>>>>>>>>>> Sent: Friday, March 30, 2012 8:45 AM
>>>>>>>>>> Subject: Re: [stylist] Pet PVS- Correcting fellow writers
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> I have to say just a couple of things here. I am very new to this
>>>>>>>>>>> list. When I saw there was a Writer's Division I thought how
>>>>>>>>>>> nice that
>>>>>>>>>>> would be to be in touch with other writers. Since my sight loss
>>>>>>>>>>> four years
>>>>>>>>>>> ago, I have very little contact with other writers. I was
>>>>>>>>>>> delighted to find
>>>>>>>>>>> this list. I would suppose most of you are pleased to be here,
>>>>>>>>>>> too.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> I am a member of another Division for the past 2 or 3 years and
>>>>>>>>>>> it
>>>>>>>>>>> is so enjoyable to be a part of it. The people on the list are
>>>>>>>>>>> so much fun
>>>>>>>>>>> to talk with every day. They have taught me how to do so many
>>>>>>>>>>> things that I
>>>>>>>>>>> needed help with because I still have so much to learn about
>>>>>>>>>>> sight loss and
>>>>>>>>>>> how to do many things. I am so grateful to them all for their
>>>>>>>>>>> help. In
>>>>>>>>>>> return, I try to help others as well, whenever I can. Recently,
>>>>>>>>>>> I even
>>>>>>>>>>> taught a couple of classes on that list, and I am scheduled to
>>>>>>>>>>> teach
>>>>>>>>>>> another one in May after I return from Puerto Rico.
>>>>>>>>>>> Every person on that list is valuable, and the person who runs
>>>>>>>>>>> that list is such an inspiration to everyone. That list has been
>>>>>>>>>>> my
>>>>>>>>>>> introduction to NFB, and it has been a God-send in my life. I
>>>>>>>>>>> even got to
>>>>>>>>>>> go to NFB headquarters a year ago, and met her in person. What a
>>>>>>>>>>> treasure
>>>>>>>>>>> she is!
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> With that positive experience in mind, I joined this Writers
>>>>>>>>>>> Division. Here, I have met some people that are the same, smart,
>>>>>>>>>>> talented,
>>>>>>>>>>> helpful, kind, and encouraging. But then, to be honest, I have
>>>>>>>>>>> found the
>>>>>>>>>>> polar opposite here, as well. It sure has been an unpleasant
>>>>>>>>>>> surprise.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> There is a word for it in literature. It is called the "rant."
>>>>>>>>>>> When a person writes an opinion, or a comment, I have come to
>>>>>>>>>>> realize the Rant will come out loud and clear.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> I read that there are over 100 people on this list. I also read
>>>>>>>>>>> that only a small portion participate, maybe 15 or so? Don't
>>>>>>>>>>> you wonder
>>>>>>>>>>> why that is? Who needs or desires to participate in a group
>>>>>>>>>>> when just an
>>>>>>>>>>> innocent comment brings down thunder and lightening? Is this a
>>>>>>>>>>> one person
>>>>>>>>>>> operation here? Or, is it a community of writers who have
>>>>>>>>>>> respect for one
>>>>>>>>>>> another and appreciate the opportunity for exchange? The longer
>>>>>>>>>>> I view this
>>>>>>>>>>> list the more I see that a bully seems to be runing the show and
>>>>>>>>>>> if she
>>>>>>>>>>> does not like that person, they are ostracized, through her
>>>>>>>>>>> rants.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> I see there are some really good qualities on this site. The
>>>>>>>>>>> ones
>>>>>>>>>>> who take the time to put up a "word" for the day, with
>>>>>>>>>>> definitions is such
>>>>>>>>>>> a good thing. Others have put up some really nice poems and
>>>>>>>>>>> reflections.
>>>>>>>>>>> Others offer challenges for writing inspiration. All great
>>>>>>>>>>> things. Personal
>>>>>>>>>>> stories have been so interesting and given a life to the person
>>>>>>>>>>> whom we
>>>>>>>>>>> know only by a name on the screen. I am thankful to have met so
>>>>>>>>>>> many of you
>>>>>>>>>>> here. Everyone is valuable, everyone had something to give,
>>>>>>>>>>> everyone is
>>>>>>>>>>> worthwhile in my opinion.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> I certainly have not been offended by the folks who have offered
>>>>>>>>>>> comments on the few things I had put up. One comment really made
>>>>>>>>>>> me go to
>>>>>>>>>>> the books and figure out something I had not thought about.
>>>>>>>>>>> Others have
>>>>>>>>>>> given me insight into some other things that I appreciate.
>>>>>>>>>>> Another member
>>>>>>>>>>> gave one of my poems the best critique I could have imagined and
>>>>>>>>>>> showed me
>>>>>>>>>>> new insights into my own work. I hope to be as helpful to
>>>>>>>>>>> others as I can
>>>>>>>>>>> be and I have really enjoyed getting to know some of you
>>>>>>>>>>> off-list so much.
>>>>>>>>>>> What a great group of folks here. We need everyone - and
>>>>>>>>>>> wouldn't it be
>>>>>>>>>>> wonderful if more and more of those 100 plus on the list felt
>>>>>>>>>>> like sharing
>>>>>>>>>>> and communicating, too? I think so.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Thank you!
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Lynda Lambert
>>>>>>>>>>> 104 River Road
>>>>>>>>>>> Ellwood City, PA 16117
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> 724 758 4979
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> My Blog:
>>>>>>>>>>> http://www.**walkingbyinnervision.blogspot.**com<http://www.walkingbyinnervision.blogspot.com/>
>>>>>>>>>>> My Website: http://lyndalambert.com
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Eve Sanchez" <
>>>>>>>>>>> 3rdeyeonly at gmail.com>
>>>>>>>>>>> To: "Writer's Division Mailing List" <stylist at nfbnet.org>
>>>>>>>>>>> Sent: Thursday, March 29, 2012 10:10 PM
>>>>>>>>>>> Subject: Re: [stylist] Pet PVS- Correcting fellow writers
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Wow Bridgit, Where did I say anything about critiquing or
>>>>>>>>>>>> feedback? You
>>>>>>>>>>>> are reading things that were never written and by the way; this
>>>>>>>>>>>> is the
>>>>>>>>>>>> second time you have told me I should not be in this group.
>>>>>>>>>>>> Thank
>>>>>>>>>>>> you ever
>>>>>>>>>>>> so much. Eve
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> On Thu, Mar 29, 2012 at 4:20 PM, Bridgit Pollpeter
>>>>>>>>>>>> <bpollpeter at hotmail.com>wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Okay, prepare to brand me the B since that's what usually
>>>>>>>>>>>>> happens, but
>>>>>>>>>>>>> here we go. And no, I'm not intending for this to become a
>>>>>>>>>>>>> never-ending
>>>>>>>>>>>>> thread with no conclusion. I merely throw food out for thought
>>>>>>>>>>>>> here.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Why belong to a community of writers where we share our work
>>>>>>>>>>>>> from
>>>>>>>>>>>>> time-to-time if we do not want feedback and constructive
>>>>>>>>>>>>> criticism? The
>>>>>>>>>>>>> greatest writers in the world have and do belong to some type
>>>>>>>>>>>>> of
>>>>>>>>>>>>> writing
>>>>>>>>>>>>> community in which they not only share their work but provide
>>>>>>>>>>>>> feedback
>>>>>>>>>>>>> and constructive criticism.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> A loving, warm environment is necessary to this process
>>>>>>>>>>>>> because
>>>>>>>>>>>>> no one
>>>>>>>>>>>>> is superior to anyone. We all have individual styles, voices,
>>>>>>>>>>>>> formats
>>>>>>>>>>>>> and processes in which we write. We need to recognize the
>>>>>>>>>>>>> difference
>>>>>>>>>>>>> between preference and wrong in terms of content, style and
>>>>>>>>>>>>> genre. Any
>>>>>>>>>>>>> feedback should be done with sincerity and a general
>>>>>>>>>>>>> appreciation for
>>>>>>>>>>>>> assisting fellow writers.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Feedback is crucial however. You don't attack; you don't
>>>>>>>>>>>>> condescend; you
>>>>>>>>>>>>> don't take a derogatory tone, but you do provide feedback on
>>>>>>>>>>>>> what you
>>>>>>>>>>>>> enjoy and what you think can use work. When it comes to
>>>>>>>>>>>>> established
>>>>>>>>>>>>> rules and guidelines, you certainly point these out. Whether
>>>>>>>>>>>>> they be
>>>>>>>>>>>>> errors made in carelessness or made from lack of knowledge, it
>>>>>>>>>>>>> does not
>>>>>>>>>>>>> matter. Any writer should want a typo of any kind pointed out
>>>>>>>>>>>>> so
>>>>>>>>>>>>> it can
>>>>>>>>>>>>> be fixed. Sure, many of us will eventually find those
>>>>>>>>>>>>> mistakes,
>>>>>>>>>>>>> but why
>>>>>>>>>>>>> not take the assistance when offered? One less thing you have
>>>>>>>>>>>>> to
>>>>>>>>>>>>> do.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Stephen King does not write a novel then turn it over an have
>>>>>>>>>>>>> it
>>>>>>>>>>>>> published. Before he submits it, he has a group of trusted
>>>>>>>>>>>>> writing
>>>>>>>>>>>>> friends and editor who pour through a manuscript with him,
>>>>>>>>>>>>> pointing out
>>>>>>>>>>>>> the weak spots along with any grammatical and structural
>>>>>>>>>>>>> errors.
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Most
>>>>>>>>>>>>> people are aware that C. S. Lewis and J. R. R. Tolkien were
>>>>>>>>>>>>> colleagues
>>>>>>>>>>>>> who belonged to a group of writers who provided feedback for
>>>>>>>>>>>>> one
>>>>>>>>>>>>> another. This is why Lewis an Tolkien often seem similar
>>>>>>>>>>>>> because
>>>>>>>>>>>>> they
>>>>>>>>>>>>> gave constructive feedback to each other, often incorporating
>>>>>>>>>>>>> ideas
>>>>>>>>>>>>> suggested by the other.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> There's nothing wrong with giving this feedback to each other,
>>>>>>>>>>>>> and no
>>>>>>>>>>>>> one is affecting a superior attitude to do so. If I say your
>>>>>>>>>>>>> writing is
>>>>>>>>>>>>> ridiculous and not worth my time, this is wrong and not the
>>>>>>>>>>>>> type
>>>>>>>>>>>>> of
>>>>>>>>>>>>> feedback anyone should provide. If I say, however, I enjoyed
>>>>>>>>>>>>> this
>>>>>>>>>>>>> section, but I feel character A does not have enough depth, or
>>>>>>>>>>>>> I
>>>>>>>>>>>>> like
>>>>>>>>>>>>> your use of dialogue, but be careful of where you place
>>>>>>>>>>>>> punctuation with
>>>>>>>>>>>>> quotation marks, this is constructive criticism and very
>>>>>>>>>>>>> beneficial and
>>>>>>>>>>>>> helpful to any writer. If I make comments such as these, it's
>>>>>>>>>>>>> not
>>>>>>>>>>>>> because I think I know everything, or that I'm of a superior
>>>>>>>>>>>>> intellect
>>>>>>>>>>>>> than you, or a better writer than you, it's simply because I
>>>>>>>>>>>>> see
>>>>>>>>>>>>> potential and want to assist you in bringing out all the best
>>>>>>>>>>>>> aspects of
>>>>>>>>>>>>> your writing.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> In return, I expect similar feedback. Especially in the
>>>>>>>>>>>>> beginning stages
>>>>>>>>>>>>> with first drafts, we all need feedback. If I want to do my
>>>>>>>>>>>>> best
>>>>>>>>>>>>> work, I
>>>>>>>>>>>>> need a finger on the pulse of those reading it. Audience
>>>>>>>>>>>>> feedback is the
>>>>>>>>>>>>> only true way in which to learn what works and what doesn't in
>>>>>>>>>>>>> our
>>>>>>>>>>>>> writing. It's great when you say you enjoy my writing and it's
>>>>>>>>>>>>> good, but
>>>>>>>>>>>>> this doesn't tell me much, or help me when revising. In short,
>>>>>>>>>>>>> it
>>>>>>>>>>>>> doesn't help make me a better writer; I just fatten up on the
>>>>>>>>>>>>> praise not
>>>>>>>>>>>>> always aware of where I need to concentrate my revising and
>>>>>>>>>>>>> editing
>>>>>>>>>>>>> efforts. This type of process is not contrary to a warm,
>>>>>>>>>>>>> loving
>>>>>>>>>>>>> an
>>>>>>>>>>>>> generous atmosphere. As the saying goes, a true friend is
>>>>>>>>>>>>> honest, and I
>>>>>>>>>>>>> think a similar comment can be said for writers.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> To say a place like Stylist should only be an outlet in which
>>>>>>>>>>>>> we
>>>>>>>>>>>>> sit
>>>>>>>>>>>>> back and just enjoy each others work is not giving an outlet
>>>>>>>>>>>>> like
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Stylist all the possibilities it can be. After material is
>>>>>>>>>>>>> published,
>>>>>>>>>>>>> then I want to sit back and enjoy it. Before, whether it be my
>>>>>>>>>>>>> own work
>>>>>>>>>>>>> or others, I want to get my hands dirty, ironing and
>>>>>>>>>>>>> polishing,
>>>>>>>>>>>>> bringing
>>>>>>>>>>>>> all the potential to the surface.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> My essay published in Breath and Shadow's winter issue is a
>>>>>>>>>>>>> piece that
>>>>>>>>>>>>> I've worked on for about four years. It has gone through
>>>>>>>>>>>>> rounds
>>>>>>>>>>>>> of
>>>>>>>>>>>>> revision including several workshops, and I had posted
>>>>>>>>>>>>> sections
>>>>>>>>>>>>> of it on
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Stylist to get feedback from those who cared to do so. What is
>>>>>>>>>>>>> in B and
>>>>>>>>>>>>> S (ha-ha, just realized the initials here, grin) is something
>>>>>>>>>>>>> that not
>>>>>>>>>>>>> only took time, as well as the result of my own creativity and
>>>>>>>>>>>>> editing,
>>>>>>>>>>>>> but of the feedback from others. And I will still probably
>>>>>>>>>>>>> continue to
>>>>>>>>>>>>> revise it over time.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> So I think it unfair to us as writers and to the intention of
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Stylist to
>>>>>>>>>>>>> say it's wrong or childish or the result of superior attitudes
>>>>>>>>>>>>> to
>>>>>>>>>>>>> provide feedback when we post work here. Again, if you don't
>>>>>>>>>>>>> want
>>>>>>>>>>>>> feedback from your peers, or can't handle it, a writing
>>>>>>>>>>>>> community of any
>>>>>>>>>>>>> kind is not the place for you. And editors, publishers and
>>>>>>>>>>>>> authors
>>>>>>>>>>>>> published numerous times are not the only "experts" who can
>>>>>>>>>>>>> provide
>>>>>>>>>>>>> constructive feedback. Our writing peers can have just as much
>>>>>>>>>>>>> knowledge
>>>>>>>>>>>>> and experience, and as I learned in university, ultimately
>>>>>>>>>>>>> it's
>>>>>>>>>>>>> up to
>>>>>>>>>>>>> your intended audience who often are not writers or have any
>>>>>>>>>>>>> writing
>>>>>>>>>>>>> experience/knowledge who determine the success of any writer.
>>>>>>>>>>>>> So
>>>>>>>>>>>>> why not
>>>>>>>>>>>>> take the opportunity to receive feedback from your peers? In
>>>>>>>>>>>>> fact, I
>>>>>>>>>>>>> don't see those of us proving such feedback as being superior,
>>>>>>>>>>>>> but the
>>>>>>>>>>>>> opposite; if you don't want feedback, it could be interpreted
>>>>>>>>>>>>> as
>>>>>>>>>>>>> you
>>>>>>>>>>>>> thinking yourself too superior to accept feedback from anyone
>>>>>>>>>>>>> else. As
>>>>>>>>>>>>> always, it's a matter of perspective.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Sincerely,
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Bridgit Kuenning-Pollpeter
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Read my blog at:
>>>>>>>>>>>>> http://blogs.livewellnebraska.**com/author/bpollpeter/<http://blogs.livewellnebraska.com/author/bpollpeter/>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> "History is not what happened; history is what was written
>>>>>>>>>>>>> down."
>>>>>>>>>>>>> The Expected One- Kathleen McGowan
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> ______________________________**_________________
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Writers Division web site:
>>>>>>>>>>>>> http://www.nfb-writers-**division.net<http://www.nfb-writers-division.net/><
>>>>>>>>>>>>> http://www.nfb-writers-**division.org/<http://www.nfb-writers-division.org/>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> >
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>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> ______________________________**_________________
>>>>>>>>>>>> Writers Division web site:
>>>>>>>>>>>> http://www.nfb-writers-**division.net<http://www.nfb-writers-division.net/><
>>>>>>>>>>>> http://www.nfb-writers-**division.org/<http://www.nfb-writers-division.org/>
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>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> ______________________________**_________________
>>>>>>>>>>> Writers Division web site:
>>>>>>>>>>> http://www.nfb-writers-**division.net<http://www.nfb-writers-division.net/><
>>>>>>>>>>> http://www.nfb-writers-**division.org/<http://www.nfb-writers-division.org/>
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>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> ______________________________**_________________
>>>>>>>>>> Writers Division web site:
>>>>>>>>>> http://www.nfb-writers-**division.net<http://www.nfb-writers-division.net/><
>>>>>>>>>> http://www.nfb-writers-**division.org/<http://www.nfb-writers-division.org/>
>>>>>>>>>> >
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>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> ______________________________**_________________
>>>>>>>>> Writers Division web site:
>>>>>>>>> http://www.nfb-writers-**division.net<http://www.nfb-writers-division.net/><
>>>>>>>>> http://www.nfb-writers-**division.org/<http://www.nfb-writers-division.org/>
>>>>>>>>> >
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>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> ______________________________**_________________
>>>>>>>> Writers Division web site:
>>>>>>>> http://www.nfb-writers-**division.net<http://www.nfb-writers-division.net/><
>>>>>>>> http://www.nfb-writers-**division.org/<http://www.nfb-writers-division.org/>
>>>>>>>> >
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>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> ______________________________**_________________
>>>>>>> Writers Division web site:
>>>>>>> http://www.nfb-writers-**division.net<http://www.nfb-writers-division.net/><
>>>>>>> http://www.nfb-writers-**division.org/<http://www.nfb-writers-division.org/>
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>>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> ______________________________**_________________
>>>>>> Writers Division web site:
>>>>>> http://www.nfb-writers-**division.net<http://www.nfb-writers-division.net/><
>>>>>> http://www.nfb-writers-**division.org/<http://www.nfb-writers-division.org/>
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>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> ______________________________**_________________
>>>>> Writers Division web site:
>>>>> http://www.nfb-writers-**division.net<http://www.nfb-writers-division.net/><
>>>>> http://www.nfb-writers-**division.org/<http://www.nfb-writers-division.org/>
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>>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> ______________________________**_________________
>>>> Writers Division web site:
>>>> http://www.nfb-writers-**division.net<http://www.nfb-writers-division.net/><
>>>> http://www.nfb-writers-**division.org/<http://www.nfb-writers-division.org/>
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>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> ______________________________**_________________
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