[stylist] Some parting thoughts

Sun Apr 1 17:00:56 UTC 2012

Donna, Yes I am here. I am not going anywhere as I love what I learn here
in this group and the chance for active participation it provides. I want
to thank you for your kind words and thoughts, they mean a lot to me. I am
not going to say "for your support" as it is not about picking sides. I
have not responded as of late because I am trying to put into practice
something my daughter has been teaching me (of all people). It is to walk
away. She tells me that a response is not always needed, especially for
someone who is not listening. This is something I am trying hard to
incorporate into my life to find peace and to help lower my blood pressure.
I am not always successful at it though. :) Again, please know that I
appreciate your words and do love this group. I must also note here that as
you said, a few months ago participation was up. It does seem to fluctuate,
but I do not always submit things if the subject matter does not interest
me and sometimes my writing is too personal. One of the last things I did
submit though (that I anticipated a huge response from as it was a bit of
satire on things said in the group) only received a single response- from
you. I appreciated you then as well. I do read people's submissions, but
unless it truly moves me  in either direction I rarely respond. I do not
like giving critiques and sometimes responding is too difficult with this
piece of crap computer. I look forward to Chris's April assignment, she
usually comes up with some real good ones, and I will try to participate in
that. Namaste and diolch annwyl cathman. Eve

On Sat, Mar 31, 2012 at 9:49 PM, Lynda Lambert <llambert at zoominternet.net>wrote:

> Donna,
> I just came back home from being away all day. My daughter has ovarian
> cancer and we were doing a fund raiser to raise money for the National
> Ovarian Cancer Coalition today.  She is now four years into her recovery,
> yet the kind of cancer she has is untreatable and the survivor rate for it
> is only 15 percent live for five years following diagnosis. She was at the
> 3C level when diagnosed. We are believing she is in the 15 percent group.
> With all this on my mind, I really did not think much about any other
> situations today.
>
> I was very thankful when I read this note from you. As you know, I hope
> you know, I respect you so much. You are one of the wisest women I have
> ever been in contact with, if even in this way through the computer.
>
> I thought when I posed a question or two that it might spark some thought
> conversations and never ever expected it to be explosive. I had been toying
> with the notion of pet peeves because my gallery had posed a question like
> this to those of us who are represented by them. It was something that was
> for fun because I was thinking about pet peeves in regards to writing.  I
> thought others might have some fun with it.
>
> I believe my contributions here will be to occasionally pose a question
> that would lead to some sort of introspection or examining of what we do or
> how we do it.  I am interested in ideas - in turning over ideas and
> examining myself and why I do things and how I form my own thinking and how
> it changes. I thought there might be others here who would enjoy having
> some discussions about ideas, too.  I am all about ideas and investigating
> where ideas come from and how they are relevant to those of us living
> today. How does something that we believe or engage in today come to us?
>  Where can we trace this idea back to historically?
> This is what interests me and what I enjoy talking about with others.
>
> My contribution will not be to correct anything anyone writes. That is not
> what I am about. I leave those things to others who have that insight in
> passion. Though I am a teacher by profession, that is not what I am
> bringing to this list. I am not an editor, nor a grammarian. We each have
> our passions and our personal niche. Mine is contemporary poetry, and post
> modern literature. That is what I have to offer and look forward to being a
> part of future discussions as they arise, if I can do that.
>
> Initially, this situation started, for me, because I used a word that
> someone had problems with. The word was "lie." It is not an immoral word,
> nor a curse word, nor a word to cause anyone to become so irate. From there
> on, whatever I said brought down rath and condemnation. I have no idea why
> and I know it really has nothing at all to do with me personally. I am here
> on the list. I enjoy being on the list. And, I am grateful for the feedback
> others have given me. I am a student, too.
>
> Lynda
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> My Website:  http://lyndalambert.com
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> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Donna Hill" <penatwork at epix.net>
> To: "Writer's Division Mailing List" <stylist at nfbnet.org>; "Writer's
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> Sent: Saturday, March 31, 2012 2:37 PM
> Subject: [stylist] Some parting thoughts
>
>
>  Hi All,
>>
>> I have a few things to say about the current issues on this list.
>>
>>
>>
>> First, I want to apologize to Eve (and I'll try to find your personal
>> e-mail, in case you're no longer with us). I got in-between whatever was
>> going on with you and Bridgit and may have unwittingly added fuel to the
>> fire.
>>
>>
>>
>> Bridgit, you are a bright and talented young woman and have much to offer.
>> Nevertheless, your language of late has been a bit inflammatory and seems
>> to
>> violate your rule about criticism needing to be done with kindness. Your
>> comments to Eve that this list might not be the place for her and your
>> recent post to Lynda in which you talk about the contributions you hoped
>> she
>> would make or could have made (I paraphrase), are examples of what I am
>> talking about. In the case of the latter, it suggests that your heart is
>> already closed to Lynda. In the case of your comments to Eve, it would
>> have
>> been sufficient to say what your understanding of the list was and the
>> value
>> of that. Going any further is hurtful and judgmental. Frankly, when I read
>> it, I regretted ever responding in support of your initial comments on the
>> pet peeves thread in the first place.
>>
>>
>>
>> I challenge you to examine your use of language more closely and develop
>> an
>> appreciation for the power of subtleties to engender negative reactions.
>> Try
>> to edit them out of your posts and include them in fiction to strengthen
>> the
>> development of tension and characters.
>>
>>
>>
>> Lynda, I'm sorry you are being subjected to this unpleasantness. I'm happy
>> that you've had such a wonderful experience on the other NFB list, but
>> this
>> sort of thing is an unfortunate occurrence that occasionally troubles all
>> lists, sighted or blind. In fact, if my guess is correct about the list to
>> which you referred, I can assure you that there have been incidents there
>> as
>> well. When you first posted your pet peeves question, I had a nasty
>> feeling
>> that it was in itself an inflammatory subject. Since you obviously weren't
>> expecting any feuding on the list, you wouldn't have known this.  Everyone
>> loves to complain, myself included, and vent about their dislikes, but it
>> can easily get out of hand when it is taken or meant personally.
>>
>>
>>
>> I think that we, as members of a population which is below par in the
>> areas
>> of income, employment, opportunity and social acceptance, are closer to
>> the
>> ragged edge than the general public - and they are pretty close
>> themselves.
>> This doesn't excuse unkindness and it can be argued that it ought to give
>> us
>> a better understanding of how words and attitudes can hurt. Nonetheless,
>> we
>> don't live in an ideal world, and people occasionally lash out.
>>
>>
>>
>> The NFB is a wonderful organization with many great programs, ideas and
>> people, but to suspect that there isn't any politics, back-stabbing or
>> inconsideration of any type is a bit pie-in-the-sky, in my opinion. That's
>> human nature, and we are not immune to it.
>>
>>
>>
>> I was surprised to hear that some feel we aren't doing much sharing of
>> work
>> on this list. It comes and goes, but I thought a few months ago, we were
>> going hot and heavy for a time. Anyway, I'm at my own ragged edge, and I
>> need to take a break from the list for a little while to get my own house
>> in
>> order. No, Robert, I'm not leaving the division and will get my dues paid
>> soon. Be gentle with one another and keep writing.
>>
>> Blessings,
>>
>> Donna
>>
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