[stylist] Reading brail for writing /was Re: Speed reading audibly

Sat Jan 7 16:09:00 UTC 2012

Hi,
I like to read poetry in Braille but since I'm very impatient, if I'm
reading for an escape, I like to read audio books.

On 1/7/12, Brenda <bjnite at windstream.net> wrote:
> Hi Robert
> I appreciate your explanation of reading audio versus Braille.  I never
> thought I would read Braille with all the audio out there but after
> taking a creative writing course and then from stuff I've gathered on
> this list, I have started the process of learning braille and look
> forward to when I can read proficiently.
> Brenda
>
>
>
> On 1/6/2012 11:31 PM, Robert Leslie Newman wrote:
>> Vejas
>>
>> I too read Braille as you describe. And hey dude! Don't be giving up your
>> reading by Braille; if anything, increase your speed. Sure, doing the
>> audio
>> is an okay method for reading, but the person who reads only that (not
>> saying that you were talking about giving up Braille and not saying that
>> Bridgit and Chris do not read some braille), but the audio reader loses
>> much
>> that is important about writing. Like knowing about format, never seeing
>> how
>> words are spelled, don't learn about proper placement of punctuation, and
>> --- well, in reading Braille and print, you get all the detail about the
>> presentation of the written word. (Sure, reading by means of a computer
>> with
>> speech output, you can, with a lot of work, learn about formatting,
>> spelling, punctuation, and all that.
>>
>> And there is something to be said about active verses passive
>> reading/learning. Active is reading by sight and/or touch, there is more
>> mental processing in these two methods. Audio is passive, you make little
>> to
>> no effort.
>>
>> Think about this, before the written word, we had what was called the oral
>> tradition. That was all audio, someone speaking stories aloud or whatever,
>> and the learner just listened to it.
>>
>> Oh my --- enough on this for now!!!
>>
>>
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: stylist-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:stylist-bounces at nfbnet.org] On
>> Behalf Of Barbara Hammel
>> Sent: Friday, January 06, 2012 10:06 PM
>> To: Writer's Division Mailing List
>> Subject: Re: [stylist] Speed reading audibly
>>
>> Vejas, actually you are reading the correct way.  However, many of us are
>> lazy Braille readers and read with only one hand.  I can read much faster
>> the way you describe but I'm a right-handed reader.  I am a lefty so I
>> usually say my left hand is the doer and my right hand is my eyes.  I use
>> it
>> to read, to see if food is done to texture, to see details in an object
>> handed to me.
>> Barbara
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> A man who wants to lead the orchestra must turn his back on the crowd. --
>> Max Lucado -----Original Message-----
>> From: vejas
>> Sent: Friday, January 06, 2012 8:13 PM
>> To: Writer's Division Mailing List
>> Subject: Re: [stylist] Speed reading audibly
>>
>> When you read Braille, what hands do you use to read with?
>> I start off and read the first few words with my left hand, then finish
>> off
>> with my right hand and put my left hand in the beginning of the line.
>> I've
>> heard it's more proficient to read with your left hand, but it's hard for
>> me
>> because I'm right-handed.  It's funny how I didn't really think about what
>> hands I'm reading with, until in fourth grade one of my teachers asked,
>> "Which fingers are you using?" Does it really matter? I guess, to people
>> who
>> read with their eyes, they have no idea.
>> Vejas
>>
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: Bridgit Pollpeter<bpollpeter at hotmail.com
>> To:<stylist at nfbnet.org
>> Date sent: Fri, 6 Jan 2012 19:14:27 -0600
>> Subject: [stylist] Speed reading audibly
>>
>> Jackie, Chris and others,
>>
>> Chris, like you, I listen to most books on an accelerated speed.
>> With my
>> Victor Stream, it's usually set on speed 6 or 7, though I too will slow it
>> down if I really want to absorb material.  When sighted, I was a speed
>> reader and could finish print material quicker than most.  After losing my
>> sight, it was an adjustment at first especially since I'm a kinesthetic
>> learner, but eventually I adjusted to taking in info audibly.  I do know
>> Braille, but again, like you, Chris, I'm a slow Braille reader, sadly, but
>> also, so much more is available in audio formats instead of Braille.  We
>> see
>> this more and more.  My first semester back to school, I had to slow any
>> reading material down whether it was narrated audio or electronic.  I
>> learned pretty quick though especially considering my major was creative
>> writing, and the majority of my homework was reading as well as writing.
>> I
>> can now read through things at a pretty good clip even with JAWS.  I
>> currently have JAWS set on 60% with the speed, though I know a few who
>> have
>> it set even higher.
>> I still
>> will slow things down a bit when really trying to absorb material
>> especially
>> when editing.  I heard a blind student from Canada once explain that, much
>> like everything done nonvisually, speed reading audibly is no different
>> than
>> speed reading visually; you are just using a different medium in which to
>> read.  I guess it's like reading a newspaper to get the news compared to
>> watching television programs geared towards the news.  Same info,
>> different
>> medium.  All I know for sure is the more you use and do something, the
>> better you will become.
>> Not everyone will read audio at accelerated rates, or at least not as high
>> of speeds a some, but the same goes for sighted people; I once could read
>> print faster than most people I knew, and absorb what I had just read, but
>> again, not everyone could read at a similar rate.
>>
>> Sincerely,
>> Bridgit Kuenning-Pollpeter
>> Read my blog at:
>> http://blogs.livewellnebraska.com/author/bpollpeter/
>>
>> "History is not what happened; history is what was written down."
>> The Expected One- Kathleen McGowan
>>
>> Message: 6
>> Date: Thu, 5 Jan 2012 13:31:03 -0700
>> From: "Jacqueline Williams"<jackieleepoet at cox.net
>> To: "'Writer's Division Mailing List'"<stylist at nfbnet.org
>> Subject: Re: [stylist] what I've been reading...
>> Message-ID:<DE206D8045B54F31BCC9E3DD0B779D11 at JackiLeePoet
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>>
>> Chris,
>> I get Choice magazine, and just got my new copy.  I find it has excellent
>> selections.  Your book list is varied, and exciting.  I do not know how it
>> is possible to be such a prolific reader to finish so many books.
>> Are
>> they all recorded or digital books? That is to say do you listen?
>> Or do
>> you have enough sight to read them.  The reason I ask is that even if I am
>> listening to a riveting
>> book, I fall   asleep after forty minutes or so.  How can you be
>> a speed
>> reader with a taped selection.
>> Your books are exciting enough to keep most on the edge of their seats.
>> Admiration abounds.  Jackie
>>
>> Message: 8
>> Date: Thu, 5 Jan 2012 16:05:24 -0500
>> From: "Chris Kuell"<ckuell at comcast.net
>> To: "Writer's Division Mailing List"<stylist at nfbnet.org
>> Subject: Re: [stylist] what I've been reading...
>> Message-ID:<C5427CDDC16143D59CCEAEA33FB7E384 at ChrisPC
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>> reply-type=original
>>
>> Hey Jackie,
>>
>> No, I'm totally blind, and read exclusively by audio books.  I know
>> braille,
>> but read at a snails pace.  I have both a tape player and digital book
>> player in my kitchen, so I listen to magazines primarily when I'm cooking
>> and cleaning and eating lunch (Newsweek, Choice, Braille Monitor, The
>> writer, Dialogue).  I have a VR Stream for downloading books from NLS, and
>> I
>> listen when doing housework, gardening, sometimes in the evening if my
>> family is engaged in stupid TV, and every night before bed.  I'm also a
>> bit
>> of an insomniac, so it's not uncommon for me to lay in bed listening to a
>> book at
>> 4 in the morning.  I do read a bit faster than the average person would
>> like
>> to listen, but not so fast I can't pick up all that's going on.
>> And with
>>
>> non-fiction, sometimes I'll go back and re-read sections to be sure I
>> understand what's been read.
>>
>> Having free audio books and the time to read them is number one on my list
>> of benefits of being blind.
>>
>> Chris
>>
>>
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