[stylist] Pet PVS- Correcting fellow writers
Lynda Lambert
llambert at zoominternet.net
Sat Mar 31 00:06:20 UTC 2012
Paul, you could make this into a POEM!
It could be such a fun poem to do. You have lots of material to draw from.
Lynda Lambert
104 River Road
Ellwood City, PA 16117
724 758 4979
My Blog: http://www.walkingbyinnervision.blogspot.com
My Website: http://lyndalambert.com
----- Original Message -----
From: "PAUL BAVER" <pebaver at verizon.net>
To: "Writer's Division Mailing List" <stylist at nfbnet.org>
Sent: Friday, March 30, 2012 4:12 PM
Subject: Re: [stylist] Pet PVS- Correcting fellow writers
> Bravo Linda, I joined about two years ago, and am not, in no way any
> expert in this writing process, I to, was lambasted by the rant, I'm not
> sure why the rant is so unhappy, or why the rant seams to be so full of
> bitterness, but the rant is. The rant is the reason why, I really don't
> comment or address, anything at all. Once the wrath of the rant comes down
> on you, I don't need a second round. I applaud you, and your very sincere
> thoughts. I'll brace myself, for my chastising by the rant now. Paul E
> Baver
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Lynda Lambert" <llambert at zoominternet.net>
> To: "Writer's Division Mailing List" <stylist at nfbnet.org>
> Sent: Friday, March 30, 2012 8:45 AM
> Subject: Re: [stylist] Pet PVS- Correcting fellow writers
>
>
>>I have to say just a couple of things here. I am very new to this list.
>>When I saw there was a Writer's Division I thought how nice that would be
>>to be in touch with other writers. Since my sight loss four years ago, I
>>have very little contact with other writers. I was delighted to find this
>>list. I would suppose most of you are pleased to be here, too.
>>
>> I am a member of another Division for the past 2 or 3 years and it is so
>> enjoyable to be a part of it. The people on the list are so much fun to
>> talk with every day. They have taught me how to do so many things that I
>> needed help with because I still have so much to learn about sight loss
>> and how to do many things. I am so grateful to them all for their help.
>> In return, I try to help others as well, whenever I can. Recently, I even
>> taught a couple of classes on that list, and I am scheduled to teach
>> another one in May after I return from Puerto Rico.
>> Every person on that list is valuable, and the person who runs that list
>> is such an inspiration to everyone. That list has been my introduction to
>> NFB, and it has been a God-send in my life. I even got to go to NFB
>> headquarters a year ago, and met her in person. What a treasure she is!
>>
>> With that positive experience in mind, I joined this Writers Division.
>> Here, I have met some people that are the same, smart, talented, helpful,
>> kind, and encouraging. But then, to be honest, I have found the polar
>> opposite here, as well. It sure has been an unpleasant surprise.
>>
>> There is a word for it in literature. It is called the "rant."
>> When a person writes an opinion, or a comment, I have come to realize the
>> Rant will come out loud and clear.
>>
>> I read that there are over 100 people on this list. I also read that only
>> a small portion participate, maybe 15 or so? Don't you wonder why that
>> is? Who needs or desires to participate in a group when just an
>> innocent comment brings down thunder and lightening? Is this a one
>> person operation here? Or, is it a community of writers who have respect
>> for one another and appreciate the opportunity for exchange? The longer I
>> view this list the more I see that a bully seems to be runing the show
>> and if she does not like that person, they are ostracized, through her
>> rants.
>>
>> I see there are some really good qualities on this site. The ones who
>> take the time to put up a "word" for the day, with definitions is such a
>> good thing. Others have put up some really nice poems and reflections.
>> Others offer challenges for writing inspiration. All great things.
>> Personal stories have been so interesting and given a life to the person
>> whom we know only by a name on the screen. I am thankful to have met so
>> many of you here. Everyone is valuable, everyone had something to give,
>> everyone is worthwhile in my opinion.
>>
>> I certainly have not been offended by the folks who have offered comments
>> on the few things I had put up. One comment really made me go to the
>> books and figure out something I had not thought about. Others have given
>> me insight into some other things that I appreciate. Another member gave
>> one of my poems the best critique I could have imagined and showed me new
>> insights into my own work. I hope to be as helpful to others as I can be
>> and I have really enjoyed getting to know some of you off-list so much.
>> What a great group of folks here. We need everyone - and wouldn't it be
>> wonderful if more and more of those 100 plus on the list felt like
>> sharing and communicating, too? I think so.
>>
>> Thank you!
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> Lynda Lambert
>> 104 River Road
>> Ellwood City, PA 16117
>>
>> 724 758 4979
>>
>> My Blog: http://www.walkingbyinnervision.blogspot.com
>> My Website: http://lyndalambert.com
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: "Eve Sanchez" <3rdeyeonly at gmail.com>
>> To: "Writer's Division Mailing List" <stylist at nfbnet.org>
>> Sent: Thursday, March 29, 2012 10:10 PM
>> Subject: Re: [stylist] Pet PVS- Correcting fellow writers
>>
>>
>>> Wow Bridgit, Where did I say anything about critiquing or feedback? You
>>> are reading things that were never written and by the way; this is the
>>> second time you have told me I should not be in this group. Thank you
>>> ever
>>> so much. Eve
>>>
>>> On Thu, Mar 29, 2012 at 4:20 PM, Bridgit Pollpeter
>>> <bpollpeter at hotmail.com>wrote:
>>>
>>>> Okay, prepare to brand me the B since that's what usually happens, but
>>>> here we go. And no, I'm not intending for this to become a never-ending
>>>> thread with no conclusion. I merely throw food out for thought here.
>>>>
>>>> Why belong to a community of writers where we share our work from
>>>> time-to-time if we do not want feedback and constructive criticism? The
>>>> greatest writers in the world have and do belong to some type of
>>>> writing
>>>> community in which they not only share their work but provide feedback
>>>> and constructive criticism.
>>>>
>>>> A loving, warm environment is necessary to this process because no one
>>>> is superior to anyone. We all have individual styles, voices, formats
>>>> and processes in which we write. We need to recognize the difference
>>>> between preference and wrong in terms of content, style and genre. Any
>>>> feedback should be done with sincerity and a general appreciation for
>>>> assisting fellow writers.
>>>>
>>>> Feedback is crucial however. You don't attack; you don't condescend;
>>>> you
>>>> don't take a derogatory tone, but you do provide feedback on what you
>>>> enjoy and what you think can use work. When it comes to established
>>>> rules and guidelines, you certainly point these out. Whether they be
>>>> errors made in carelessness or made from lack of knowledge, it does not
>>>> matter. Any writer should want a typo of any kind pointed out so it can
>>>> be fixed. Sure, many of us will eventually find those mistakes, but why
>>>> not take the assistance when offered? One less thing you have to do.
>>>>
>>>> Stephen King does not write a novel then turn it over an have it
>>>> published. Before he submits it, he has a group of trusted writing
>>>> friends and editor who pour through a manuscript with him, pointing out
>>>> the weak spots along with any grammatical and structural errors. Most
>>>> people are aware that C. S. Lewis and J. R. R. Tolkien were colleagues
>>>> who belonged to a group of writers who provided feedback for one
>>>> another. This is why Lewis an Tolkien often seem similar because they
>>>> gave constructive feedback to each other, often incorporating ideas
>>>> suggested by the other.
>>>>
>>>> There's nothing wrong with giving this feedback to each other, and no
>>>> one is affecting a superior attitude to do so. If I say your writing is
>>>> ridiculous and not worth my time, this is wrong and not the type of
>>>> feedback anyone should provide. If I say, however, I enjoyed this
>>>> section, but I feel character A does not have enough depth, or I like
>>>> your use of dialogue, but be careful of where you place punctuation
>>>> with
>>>> quotation marks, this is constructive criticism and very beneficial and
>>>> helpful to any writer. If I make comments such as these, it's not
>>>> because I think I know everything, or that I'm of a superior intellect
>>>> than you, or a better writer than you, it's simply because I see
>>>> potential and want to assist you in bringing out all the best aspects
>>>> of
>>>> your writing.
>>>>
>>>> In return, I expect similar feedback. Especially in the beginning
>>>> stages
>>>> with first drafts, we all need feedback. If I want to do my best work,
>>>> I
>>>> need a finger on the pulse of those reading it. Audience feedback is
>>>> the
>>>> only true way in which to learn what works and what doesn't in our
>>>> writing. It's great when you say you enjoy my writing and it's good,
>>>> but
>>>> this doesn't tell me much, or help me when revising. In short, it
>>>> doesn't help make me a better writer; I just fatten up on the praise
>>>> not
>>>> always aware of where I need to concentrate my revising and editing
>>>> efforts. This type of process is not contrary to a warm, loving an
>>>> generous atmosphere. As the saying goes, a true friend is honest, and I
>>>> think a similar comment can be said for writers.
>>>>
>>>> To say a place like Stylist should only be an outlet in which we sit
>>>> back and just enjoy each others work is not giving an outlet like
>>>> Stylist all the possibilities it can be. After material is published,
>>>> then I want to sit back and enjoy it. Before, whether it be my own work
>>>> or others, I want to get my hands dirty, ironing and polishing,
>>>> bringing
>>>> all the potential to the surface.
>>>>
>>>> My essay published in Breath and Shadow's winter issue is a piece that
>>>> I've worked on for about four years. It has gone through rounds of
>>>> revision including several workshops, and I had posted sections of it
>>>> on
>>>> Stylist to get feedback from those who cared to do so. What is in B and
>>>> S (ha-ha, just realized the initials here, grin) is something that not
>>>> only took time, as well as the result of my own creativity and editing,
>>>> but of the feedback from others. And I will still probably continue to
>>>> revise it over time.
>>>>
>>>> So I think it unfair to us as writers and to the intention of Stylist
>>>> to
>>>> say it's wrong or childish or the result of superior attitudes to
>>>> provide feedback when we post work here. Again, if you don't want
>>>> feedback from your peers, or can't handle it, a writing community of
>>>> any
>>>> kind is not the place for you. And editors, publishers and authors
>>>> published numerous times are not the only "experts" who can provide
>>>> constructive feedback. Our writing peers can have just as much
>>>> knowledge
>>>> and experience, and as I learned in university, ultimately it's up to
>>>> your intended audience who often are not writers or have any writing
>>>> experience/knowledge who determine the success of any writer. So why
>>>> not
>>>> take the opportunity to receive feedback from your peers? In fact, I
>>>> don't see those of us proving such feedback as being superior, but the
>>>> opposite; if you don't want feedback, it could be interpreted as you
>>>> thinking yourself too superior to accept feedback from anyone else. As
>>>> always, it's a matter of perspective.
>>>>
>>>> Sincerely,
>>>> Bridgit Kuenning-Pollpeter
>>>> Read my blog at:
>>>> http://blogs.livewellnebraska.com/author/bpollpeter/
>>>>
>>>> "History is not what happened; history is what was written down."
>>>> The Expected One- Kathleen McGowan
>>>>
>>>>
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