[stylist] Pet PVS- Correcting fellow writers

Sat Mar 31 17:56:05 UTC 2012

Have you ever read Piers Anthony. He published a book called What Is Earth
some twenty- thirty years ago that is an exploration of editing and
editors. It was originally a book written in the fifties that was severly
marked in red. When he became an extablished and successful writer he
revisited the project and used it as a teaching tool. Wonderful insight
from a true pro.    Just a foot note here, I did not know that Reading was
a real place. I always thought it was just a square on the Monopoly board.
haha   Paul, I spent a lot of times on the streets as well when I was young
and could relate to what you are saying. Some of the lessons I learned from
philosophical homeless drug addicts were some of the most poignant words I
have eer heard. I look forward to your book being published. Eve

On Sat, Mar 31, 2012 at 9:45 AM, Lynda Lambert <llambert at zoominternet.net>wrote:

> Are you familiar with the museum in Reading? I spoke there a few years ago
> - lectured on African American Art and Literature. I used to speak all over
> PA through the Pennsylvania Humanitis Council and the Pennsylvania Council
> on the Arts. I absolutely love African American art and literature. I love
> the diction and the use of language and imagery we find in it.
>
> Lynda
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> Lynda Lambert
> 104 River Road
> Ellwood City, PA 16117
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> 724 758 4979
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> My Blog:  http://www.**walkingbyinnervision.blogspot.**com<http://www.walkingbyinnervision.blogspot.com/>
> My Website:  http://lyndalambert.com
>
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> ----- Original Message ----- From: "PAUL BAVER" <pebaver at verizon.net>
> To: "Writer's Division Mailing List" <stylist at nfbnet.org>
> Sent: Saturday, March 31, 2012 11:04 AM
>
> Subject: Re: [stylist] Pet PVS- Correcting fellow writers
>
>
> I have a similar circumstance, my very best critic has been a (25-year
>> old), street smart young man that grew up on the streets of Reading PA with
>> a ninth grade education , and is very street smart. I have been mentoring
>> him for now going on eleven years, I started writing my book, with all of
>> the anger that I could find, along with every expletive, that I could think
>> of, as I also grew up on the streets of Reading PA. . This street smart,
>> young man, which knows how to use every adjective describing anything, or
>> everything, told me that if I want to give him a reason to change, or a
>> reader a reason to change. Then write, in a way that would make him, or any
>> reader see that change is possable.  He stirnly told me, if you want me to
>> see that if I want to make my life better, then show me how to think
>> better, speak better, and how to respect myself for the changes that your
>> book knows is possible, now that's profound to me, and very powerful.
>> Thanks again Paul E Baver
>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Lynda Lambert" <
>> llambert at zoominternet.net>
>> To: "Writer's Division Mailing List" <stylist at nfbnet.org>
>> Sent: Saturday, March 31, 2012 9:39 AM
>> Subject: Re: [stylist] Pet PVS- Correcting fellow writers
>>
>>
>> Paul there are really great people here and I have benefited even though
>>> I have not been here for very long.  I received a little bit of good
>>> feedback that challenged me to take another look at the couple of things I
>>> up up.  I can see that there are just a few who are giving feedback and I
>>> can see why that is. The more feedback we give and recieve the better it is
>>> for helping us with growth. But, feedback is not the same as ranting or
>>> bullying a person who has honestly put forth an idea for discussion or put
>>> forth something they have written.
>>>
>>> I appreciate honest and thoughtful feedback. Good feedback can often
>>> come from the most unexpected sources.  Never, never think that a person
>>> has to have a degree in writing to be able to give good feedback.  My best
>>> proof reader and person to discuss my work with is an auto mechanic and
>>> welder with no degree in anything but life experiences. That would be my
>>> husband. He has insight and intuition  and is one of the most well read
>>> people I have ever known. He reads stacks of books and is comfortable in
>>> conversations with people of all walks of life.
>>>
>>> Writers thrive on challenges, as do all artistic creative people.
>>> Rejection goes hand in hand with what we do. We very quickly learn that
>>> when we start putting out work out to the public.  It makes us work harder
>>> once we learn that it is for our good and for our growth.   We cast our
>>> work out to the public and we wait to see what comes back to us. What comes
>>> back is what we deal with. It can be an acceptance or a rejection. But the
>>> important thing is that we put it out there in the first place.
>>> Lynda
>>>
>>> We all need feedback.  It helps us grow. What we do not ever need though
>>> is to be bullied by someone who apparently gets some twisted sort of
>>> pleasure from crushing another's work or spirit. That kind of thing always
>>> comes from a place of fear.
>>>
>>>
>>> Lynda Lambert
>>> 104 River Road
>>> Ellwood City, PA 16117
>>>
>>> 724 758 4979
>>>
>>> My Blog:  http://www.**walkingbyinnervision.blogspot.**com<http://www.walkingbyinnervision.blogspot.com/>
>>> My Website:  http://lyndalambert.com
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "PAUL BAVER" <pebaver at verizon.net>
>>> To: "Writer's Division Mailing List" <stylist at nfbnet.org>
>>> Sent: Saturday, March 31, 2012 8:49 AM
>>> Subject: Re: [stylist] Pet PVS- Correcting fellow writers
>>>
>>>
>>> Good morning Linda, this is the encouragement I expected from the day I
>>>> joined, and I'm glad that I took the chance to voice my opinion. Writing is
>>>> not only sharing my stories with others, for me it was a personal healing
>>>> process, to Wright my tragic life story, it has now been three years that
>>>> I've been working on it, and millions of tears later, it took forty plus
>>>> years to get over myself. Now that I did get over myself, I'd like to see
>>>> those people that are still full of themselves, get over it. I these days
>>>> look for the Sunshine, hearing the beauty of the Birds singing and a day
>>>> without drama, there's so much love, and beauty, to find, I have no time
>>>> for anything but positivity in my life. I only learned to use this computer
>>>> in (2005), and know I should be messaging now with an O-T message in my
>>>> E-mail. I'll be doing that to the next E-mail that I send to you. Again
>>>> thank you very much, for your genuine encouragement. Paul E Baver
>>>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Lynda Lambert" <
>>>> llambert at zoominternet.net>
>>>> To: "Writer's Division Mailing List" <stylist at nfbnet.org>
>>>> Sent: Saturday, March 31, 2012 7:36 AM
>>>> Subject: Re: [stylist] Pet PVS- Correcting fellow writers
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> So nice to hear that in spite of your very sad experiences here, you
>>>>> have kept on going with your writing. That is what it is all about. Yes, we
>>>>> have been given a good deal of material to write from in the wild rants we
>>>>> have been given here. In fact, we could develop a "character" full blown by
>>>>> using this material.
>>>>>
>>>>> And, Paul, when you have a manuscript that is ready for your publisher
>>>>> to go over, many eyes will be looking over it and editing it along with
>>>>> you. Your job is to do the writing, and the editors will be doing their
>>>>> job, as well as a number of others.
>>>>>
>>>>> Paul, I am interested in knowing who some of your favorite authors
>>>>> are. What kinds of things do you read that you enjoy?  I think that reading
>>>>> the things we love is the best teacher we can have. And, I am a college
>>>>> professor, so I can tell you for sure that is what is most important -
>>>>> reading and absorbing ideas from other writers. In fact, it's important to
>>>>> read across disciplines if you can - include philosophers, scientists,
>>>>> artists, and any other books you come across that might be interesting to
>>>>> you.
>>>>>
>>>>> I am a visual artist and author. Right now, I just finished reading a
>>>>> book by Pearl S. Buck, who gives insight into China in the first 50 years
>>>>> of the 20th century in her writing. It has enlightened me so much and given
>>>>> me a basis for understanding much more about the China we have today.  I
>>>>> finished that and now I am reading another book written by a scientist.
>>>>> This book is on evolution and creation issues, from the scientific
>>>>> perspective and historical developments that have brought us to where we
>>>>> are today.
>>>>>
>>>>> Don't rule out anything. The most important thing to do at any age is
>>>>> to read and to be a life-long learner.  Our learning begins in a classroom,
>>>>> for some of us, but it only begins there. It is not an end in itself. It is
>>>>> just a baby step on the path of our lives. What takes place outside of the
>>>>> classroom, and long after we leave those classrooms is where our stories
>>>>> really take form.  Our degrees (I have three of them) are a personal
>>>>> achievement that we set for ourselves. It is for ourselves because we chose
>>>>> to follow a certain path. A college professor has to have a terminal degree
>>>>> as well as two others to even get a job interview.
>>>>>
>>>>> For writing, you certainly do not have to go to collee or have
>>>>> degrees. Some of the finest writers we can name had no degrees. What they
>>>>> have though, is a keen insight into the human condition as they have
>>>>> experienced it.  Your life experiences are what is most important to your
>>>>> writing. What you THINK is far more important than knowing a list of rules
>>>>> for writing. It is your passion and your enthusiasm that will come through.
>>>>> The other things will be edited out or fixed by your editors. Just keep
>>>>> reading and writing.
>>>>> So very NICE to meet you Paul.
>>>>>
>>>>> Lynda
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Lynda Lambert
>>>>> 104 River Road
>>>>> Ellwood City, PA 16117
>>>>>
>>>>> 724 758 4979
>>>>>
>>>>> My Blog:  http://www.**walkingbyinnervision.blogspot.**com<http://www.walkingbyinnervision.blogspot.com/>
>>>>> My Website:  http://lyndalambert.com
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "PAUL BAVER" <pebaver at verizon.net>
>>>>> To: "Writer's Division Mailing List" <stylist at nfbnet.org>
>>>>> Sent: Friday, March 30, 2012 11:03 PM
>>>>> Subject: Re: [stylist] Pet PVS- Correcting fellow writers
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Hi Linda thank you, I'm sure that out of the hundred or more members
>>>>>> in this club, there are more then just the two of us, that truly like
>>>>>> learning, and when a person gets chastised verbally it doesn't make for a
>>>>>> joyful learning experience. The few that go into there ranting, and raving,
>>>>>> I suppose that they must be experts in the Literary World. They must have a
>>>>>> great deal of experience in writing, and must know more about Literature,
>>>>>> then at my age I have time to learn. although in the two years as a member
>>>>>> of this writing group, I haven't yet read any published works by those that
>>>>>> go off on telling me how smart they think they are, and how there years of
>>>>>> Literary expertise has given them the privilege, to give us a verbal
>>>>>> lashing. I must state that, our club President, Mr. Newman, is very
>>>>>> helpful, and does bend over backwards, to help, in any way he can. As for
>>>>>> my writing accomplishments, no I haven't had anything published either, but
>>>>>> now that I've grown up, I'm working on a  book, about my life, a true
>>>>>> story. I hope to get it published. I must say that I've learned from this
>>>>>> group, and there some very learned writers, within our membership. I also
>>>>>> do like to write Pomes, but fear, instead of constructive critiquing, I
>>>>>> will be told again to return to school, and become educated , in the field
>>>>>> of writing, and Literature . My book surely has come a long way, and yes
>>>>>> Sir, it  has grown to a point that I now am having it looked at by a
>>>>>> publicist. I hope to hear from her soon. I'm crossing my fingers, and my
>>>>>> toes . Ok Linda, maybe I'll work on that poem about the ranting, and raving
>>>>>> . Sincerely Paul E Baver
>>>>>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Lynda Lambert" <
>>>>>> llambert at zoominternet.net>
>>>>>> To: "Writer's Division Mailing List" <stylist at nfbnet.org>
>>>>>> Sent: Friday, March 30, 2012 8:06 PM
>>>>>> Subject: Re: [stylist] Pet PVS- Correcting fellow writers
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Paul, you could make this into a POEM!
>>>>>>> It could be such a fun poem to do. You have lots of material to draw
>>>>>>> from.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Lynda Lambert
>>>>>>> 104 River Road
>>>>>>> Ellwood City, PA 16117
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> 724 758 4979
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> My Blog:  http://www.**walkingbyinnervision.blogspot.**com<http://www.walkingbyinnervision.blogspot.com/>
>>>>>>> My Website:  http://lyndalambert.com
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "PAUL BAVER" <pebaver at verizon.net
>>>>>>> >
>>>>>>> To: "Writer's Division Mailing List" <stylist at nfbnet.org>
>>>>>>> Sent: Friday, March 30, 2012 4:12 PM
>>>>>>> Subject: Re: [stylist] Pet PVS- Correcting fellow writers
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Bravo Linda, I joined about two years ago, and am not, in no way any
>>>>>>>> expert in this writing process, I to, was lambasted by the rant, I'm not
>>>>>>>> sure why the rant is so unhappy, or why the rant seams to be so full of
>>>>>>>> bitterness, but the rant is. The rant is the reason why, I really don't
>>>>>>>> comment or address, anything at all. Once the wrath of the rant comes down
>>>>>>>> on you, I don't need a second round. I applaud you, and your very sincere
>>>>>>>> thoughts. I'll brace myself, for my chastising by the rant now. Paul E Baver
>>>>>>>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Lynda Lambert" <
>>>>>>>> llambert at zoominternet.net>
>>>>>>>> To: "Writer's Division Mailing List" <stylist at nfbnet.org>
>>>>>>>> Sent: Friday, March 30, 2012 8:45 AM
>>>>>>>> Subject: Re: [stylist] Pet PVS- Correcting fellow writers
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> I have to say just a couple of things here. I am very new to this
>>>>>>>>> list. When I saw there was a Writer's Division I thought how nice that
>>>>>>>>> would be to be in touch with other writers. Since my sight loss four years
>>>>>>>>> ago, I have very little contact with other writers. I was delighted to find
>>>>>>>>> this list. I would suppose most of you are pleased to be here, too.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> I am a member of another Division for the past 2 or 3 years and it
>>>>>>>>> is so enjoyable to be a part of it. The people on the list are so much fun
>>>>>>>>> to talk with every day. They have taught me how to do so many things that I
>>>>>>>>> needed help with because I still have so much to learn about sight loss and
>>>>>>>>> how to do many things. I am so grateful to them all for their help. In
>>>>>>>>> return, I try to help others as well, whenever I can. Recently, I even
>>>>>>>>> taught a couple of classes on that list, and I am scheduled to teach
>>>>>>>>> another one  in May after I return from Puerto Rico.
>>>>>>>>> Every person on that list is valuable, and the person who runs
>>>>>>>>> that list is such an inspiration to everyone. That list has been my
>>>>>>>>> introduction to NFB, and it has been a God-send in my life. I even got to
>>>>>>>>> go to NFB headquarters a year ago, and met her in person. What a treasure
>>>>>>>>> she is!
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> With that positive experience in mind, I joined this Writers
>>>>>>>>> Division. Here, I have met some people that are the same, smart, talented,
>>>>>>>>> helpful, kind, and encouraging.  But then, to be honest, I have found the
>>>>>>>>> polar opposite here, as well. It sure has been an unpleasant surprise.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> There is a word for it in literature. It is called the "rant."
>>>>>>>>> When a person writes an opinion, or a comment, I have come to
>>>>>>>>> realize the Rant will come out loud and clear.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> I read that there are over 100 people on this list. I also read
>>>>>>>>> that only a small portion participate, maybe 15 or so?  Don't you wonder
>>>>>>>>> why that is? Who needs  or desires to participate in a group when just an
>>>>>>>>> innocent comment brings down thunder and lightening? Is this a one person
>>>>>>>>> operation here? Or, is it a community of writers who have respect for one
>>>>>>>>> another and appreciate the opportunity for exchange? The longer I view this
>>>>>>>>> list the more I see that a bully seems to be runing the show and if she
>>>>>>>>> does not like that person, they are ostracized, through her rants.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> I see  there are some really good qualities on this site. The ones
>>>>>>>>> who take the time to put up a "word" for the day, with definitions is such
>>>>>>>>> a good thing. Others have put up some really nice poems and reflections.
>>>>>>>>> Others offer challenges for writing inspiration. All great things. Personal
>>>>>>>>> stories have been so interesting and given a life to the person whom we
>>>>>>>>> know only by a name on the screen. I am thankful to have met so many of you
>>>>>>>>> here. Everyone is valuable, everyone had something to give, everyone is
>>>>>>>>> worthwhile in my opinion.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> I certainly have not been offended by the folks who have offered
>>>>>>>>> comments on the few things I had put up. One comment really made me go to
>>>>>>>>> the books and figure out something I had not thought about. Others have
>>>>>>>>> given me insight into some other things that I appreciate. Another member
>>>>>>>>> gave one of my poems the best critique I could have imagined and showed me
>>>>>>>>> new insights into my own work.  I hope to be as helpful to others as I can
>>>>>>>>> be and I have really enjoyed getting to know some of you off-list so much.
>>>>>>>>> What a great group of folks here. We need everyone - and wouldn't it be
>>>>>>>>> wonderful if more and more of those 100 plus on the list felt like sharing
>>>>>>>>> and communicating, too? I think so.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Thank you!
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Lynda Lambert
>>>>>>>>> 104 River Road
>>>>>>>>> Ellwood City, PA 16117
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> 724 758 4979
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> My Blog:  http://www.**walkingbyinnervision.blogspot.**com<http://www.walkingbyinnervision.blogspot.com/>
>>>>>>>>> My Website:  http://lyndalambert.com
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Eve Sanchez" <
>>>>>>>>> 3rdeyeonly at gmail.com>
>>>>>>>>> To: "Writer's Division Mailing List" <stylist at nfbnet.org>
>>>>>>>>> Sent: Thursday, March 29, 2012 10:10 PM
>>>>>>>>> Subject: Re: [stylist] Pet PVS- Correcting fellow writers
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Wow Bridgit, Where did I say anything about critiquing or
>>>>>>>>>> feedback? You
>>>>>>>>>> are reading things that were never written and by the way; this
>>>>>>>>>> is the
>>>>>>>>>> second time you have told me I should not be in this group. Thank
>>>>>>>>>> you ever
>>>>>>>>>> so much. Eve
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> On Thu, Mar 29, 2012 at 4:20 PM, Bridgit Pollpeter
>>>>>>>>>> <bpollpeter at hotmail.com>wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Okay, prepare to brand me the B since that's what usually
>>>>>>>>>>> happens, but
>>>>>>>>>>> here we go. And no, I'm not intending for this to become a
>>>>>>>>>>> never-ending
>>>>>>>>>>> thread with no conclusion. I merely throw food out for thought
>>>>>>>>>>> here.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Why belong to a community of writers where we share our work from
>>>>>>>>>>> time-to-time if we do not want feedback and constructive
>>>>>>>>>>> criticism? The
>>>>>>>>>>> greatest writers in the world have and do belong to some type of
>>>>>>>>>>> writing
>>>>>>>>>>> community in which they not only share their work but provide
>>>>>>>>>>> feedback
>>>>>>>>>>> and constructive criticism.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> A loving, warm environment is necessary to this process because
>>>>>>>>>>> no one
>>>>>>>>>>> is superior to anyone. We all have individual styles, voices,
>>>>>>>>>>> formats
>>>>>>>>>>> and processes in which we write. We need to recognize the
>>>>>>>>>>> difference
>>>>>>>>>>> between preference and wrong in terms of content, style and
>>>>>>>>>>> genre. Any
>>>>>>>>>>> feedback should be done with sincerity and a general
>>>>>>>>>>> appreciation for
>>>>>>>>>>> assisting fellow writers.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Feedback is crucial however. You don't attack; you don't
>>>>>>>>>>> condescend; you
>>>>>>>>>>> don't take a derogatory tone, but you do provide feedback on
>>>>>>>>>>> what you
>>>>>>>>>>> enjoy and what you think can use work. When it comes to
>>>>>>>>>>> established
>>>>>>>>>>> rules and guidelines, you certainly point these out. Whether
>>>>>>>>>>> they be
>>>>>>>>>>> errors made in carelessness or made from lack of knowledge, it
>>>>>>>>>>> does not
>>>>>>>>>>> matter. Any writer should want a typo of any kind pointed out so
>>>>>>>>>>> it can
>>>>>>>>>>> be fixed. Sure, many of us will eventually find those mistakes,
>>>>>>>>>>> but why
>>>>>>>>>>> not take the assistance when offered? One less thing you have to
>>>>>>>>>>> do.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Stephen King does not write a novel then turn it over an have it
>>>>>>>>>>> published. Before he submits it, he has a group of trusted
>>>>>>>>>>> writing
>>>>>>>>>>> friends and editor who pour through a manuscript with him,
>>>>>>>>>>> pointing out
>>>>>>>>>>> the weak spots along with any grammatical and structural errors.
>>>>>>>>>>> Most
>>>>>>>>>>> people are aware that C. S. Lewis and J. R. R. Tolkien were
>>>>>>>>>>> colleagues
>>>>>>>>>>> who belonged to a group of writers who provided feedback for one
>>>>>>>>>>> another. This is why Lewis an Tolkien often seem similar because
>>>>>>>>>>> they
>>>>>>>>>>> gave constructive feedback to each other, often incorporating
>>>>>>>>>>> ideas
>>>>>>>>>>> suggested by the other.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> There's nothing wrong with giving this feedback to each other,
>>>>>>>>>>> and no
>>>>>>>>>>> one is affecting a superior attitude to do so. If I say your
>>>>>>>>>>> writing is
>>>>>>>>>>> ridiculous and not worth my time, this is wrong and not the type
>>>>>>>>>>> of
>>>>>>>>>>> feedback anyone should provide. If I say, however, I enjoyed this
>>>>>>>>>>> section, but I feel character A does not have enough depth, or I
>>>>>>>>>>> like
>>>>>>>>>>> your use of dialogue, but be careful of where you place
>>>>>>>>>>> punctuation with
>>>>>>>>>>> quotation marks, this is constructive criticism and very
>>>>>>>>>>> beneficial and
>>>>>>>>>>> helpful to any writer. If I make comments such as these, it's not
>>>>>>>>>>> because I think I know everything, or that I'm of a superior
>>>>>>>>>>> intellect
>>>>>>>>>>> than you, or a better writer than you, it's simply because I see
>>>>>>>>>>> potential and want to assist you in bringing out all the best
>>>>>>>>>>> aspects of
>>>>>>>>>>> your writing.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> In return, I expect similar feedback. Especially in the
>>>>>>>>>>> beginning stages
>>>>>>>>>>> with first drafts, we all need feedback. If I want to do my best
>>>>>>>>>>> work, I
>>>>>>>>>>> need a finger on the pulse of those reading it. Audience
>>>>>>>>>>> feedback is the
>>>>>>>>>>> only true way in which to learn what works and what doesn't in
>>>>>>>>>>> our
>>>>>>>>>>> writing. It's great when you say you enjoy my writing and it's
>>>>>>>>>>> good, but
>>>>>>>>>>> this doesn't tell me much, or help me when revising. In short, it
>>>>>>>>>>> doesn't help make me a better writer; I just fatten up on the
>>>>>>>>>>> praise not
>>>>>>>>>>> always aware of where I need to concentrate my revising and
>>>>>>>>>>> editing
>>>>>>>>>>> efforts. This type of process is not contrary to a warm, loving
>>>>>>>>>>> an
>>>>>>>>>>> generous atmosphere. As the saying goes, a true friend is
>>>>>>>>>>> honest, and I
>>>>>>>>>>> think a similar comment can be said for writers.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> To say a place like Stylist should only be an outlet in which we
>>>>>>>>>>> sit
>>>>>>>>>>> back and just enjoy each others work is not giving an outlet like
>>>>>>>>>>> Stylist all the possibilities it can be. After material is
>>>>>>>>>>> published,
>>>>>>>>>>> then I want to sit back and enjoy it. Before, whether it be my
>>>>>>>>>>> own work
>>>>>>>>>>> or others, I want to get my hands dirty, ironing and polishing,
>>>>>>>>>>> bringing
>>>>>>>>>>> all the potential to the surface.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> My essay published in Breath and Shadow's winter issue is a
>>>>>>>>>>> piece that
>>>>>>>>>>> I've worked on for about four years. It has gone through rounds
>>>>>>>>>>> of
>>>>>>>>>>> revision including several workshops, and I had posted sections
>>>>>>>>>>> of it on
>>>>>>>>>>> Stylist to get feedback from those who cared to do so. What is
>>>>>>>>>>> in B and
>>>>>>>>>>> S (ha-ha, just realized the initials here, grin) is something
>>>>>>>>>>> that not
>>>>>>>>>>> only took time, as well as the result of my own creativity and
>>>>>>>>>>> editing,
>>>>>>>>>>> but of the feedback from others. And I will still probably
>>>>>>>>>>> continue to
>>>>>>>>>>> revise it over time.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> So I think it unfair to us as writers and to the intention of
>>>>>>>>>>> Stylist to
>>>>>>>>>>> say it's wrong or childish or the result of superior attitudes to
>>>>>>>>>>> provide feedback when we post work here. Again, if you don't want
>>>>>>>>>>> feedback from your peers, or can't handle it, a writing
>>>>>>>>>>> community of any
>>>>>>>>>>> kind is not the place for you. And editors, publishers and
>>>>>>>>>>> authors
>>>>>>>>>>> published numerous times are not the only "experts" who can
>>>>>>>>>>> provide
>>>>>>>>>>> constructive feedback. Our writing peers can have just as much
>>>>>>>>>>> knowledge
>>>>>>>>>>> and experience, and as I learned in university, ultimately it's
>>>>>>>>>>> up to
>>>>>>>>>>> your intended audience who often are not writers or have any
>>>>>>>>>>> writing
>>>>>>>>>>> experience/knowledge who determine the success of any writer. So
>>>>>>>>>>> why not
>>>>>>>>>>> take the opportunity to receive feedback from your peers? In
>>>>>>>>>>> fact, I
>>>>>>>>>>> don't see those of us proving such feedback as being superior,
>>>>>>>>>>> but the
>>>>>>>>>>> opposite; if you don't want feedback, it could be interpreted as
>>>>>>>>>>> you
>>>>>>>>>>> thinking yourself too superior to accept feedback from anyone
>>>>>>>>>>> else. As
>>>>>>>>>>> always, it's a matter of perspective.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Sincerely,
>>>>>>>>>>> Bridgit Kuenning-Pollpeter
>>>>>>>>>>> Read my blog at:
>>>>>>>>>>> http://blogs.livewellnebraska.**com/author/bpollpeter/<http://blogs.livewellnebraska.com/author/bpollpeter/>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> "History is not what happened; history is what was written down."
>>>>>>>>>>> The Expected One- Kathleen McGowan
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
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