[stylist] Pet PVS- Correcting fellow writers
PAUL BAVER
pebaver at verizon.net
Sat Mar 31 21:22:40 UTC 2012
No I haven't, but I'll make it a must, thank you. Paul E Baver
----- Original Message -----
From: "Eve Sanchez" <3rdeyeonly at gmail.com>
To: "Writer's Division Mailing List" <stylist at nfbnet.org>
Sent: Saturday, March 31, 2012 1:56 PM
Subject: Re: [stylist] Pet PVS- Correcting fellow writers
> Have you ever read Piers Anthony. He published a book called What Is Earth
> some twenty- thirty years ago that is an exploration of editing and
> editors. It was originally a book written in the fifties that was severly
> marked in red. When he became an extablished and successful writer he
> revisited the project and used it as a teaching tool. Wonderful insight
> from a true pro. Just a foot note here, I did not know that Reading was
> a real place. I always thought it was just a square on the Monopoly board.
> haha Paul, I spent a lot of times on the streets as well when I was
> young
> and could relate to what you are saying. Some of the lessons I learned
> from
> philosophical homeless drug addicts were some of the most poignant words I
> have eer heard. I look forward to your book being published. Eve
>
> On Sat, Mar 31, 2012 at 9:45 AM, Lynda Lambert
> <llambert at zoominternet.net>wrote:
>
>> Are you familiar with the museum in Reading? I spoke there a few years
>> ago
>> - lectured on African American Art and Literature. I used to speak all
>> over
>> PA through the Pennsylvania Humanitis Council and the Pennsylvania
>> Council
>> on the Arts. I absolutely love African American art and literature. I
>> love
>> the diction and the use of language and imagery we find in it.
>>
>> Lynda
>>
>>
>> Lynda Lambert
>> 104 River Road
>> Ellwood City, PA 16117
>>
>> 724 758 4979
>>
>> My Blog:
>> http://www.**walkingbyinnervision.blogspot.**com<http://www.walkingbyinnervision.blogspot.com/>
>> My Website: http://lyndalambert.com
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "PAUL BAVER" <pebaver at verizon.net>
>> To: "Writer's Division Mailing List" <stylist at nfbnet.org>
>> Sent: Saturday, March 31, 2012 11:04 AM
>>
>> Subject: Re: [stylist] Pet PVS- Correcting fellow writers
>>
>>
>> I have a similar circumstance, my very best critic has been a (25-year
>>> old), street smart young man that grew up on the streets of Reading PA
>>> with
>>> a ninth grade education , and is very street smart. I have been
>>> mentoring
>>> him for now going on eleven years, I started writing my book, with all
>>> of
>>> the anger that I could find, along with every expletive, that I could
>>> think
>>> of, as I also grew up on the streets of Reading PA. . This street smart,
>>> young man, which knows how to use every adjective describing anything,
>>> or
>>> everything, told me that if I want to give him a reason to change, or a
>>> reader a reason to change. Then write, in a way that would make him, or
>>> any
>>> reader see that change is possable. He stirnly told me, if you want me
>>> to
>>> see that if I want to make my life better, then show me how to think
>>> better, speak better, and how to respect myself for the changes that
>>> your
>>> book knows is possible, now that's profound to me, and very powerful.
>>> Thanks again Paul E Baver
>>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Lynda Lambert" <
>>> llambert at zoominternet.net>
>>> To: "Writer's Division Mailing List" <stylist at nfbnet.org>
>>> Sent: Saturday, March 31, 2012 9:39 AM
>>> Subject: Re: [stylist] Pet PVS- Correcting fellow writers
>>>
>>>
>>> Paul there are really great people here and I have benefited even though
>>>> I have not been here for very long. I received a little bit of good
>>>> feedback that challenged me to take another look at the couple of
>>>> things I
>>>> up up. I can see that there are just a few who are giving feedback and
>>>> I
>>>> can see why that is. The more feedback we give and recieve the better
>>>> it is
>>>> for helping us with growth. But, feedback is not the same as ranting or
>>>> bullying a person who has honestly put forth an idea for discussion or
>>>> put
>>>> forth something they have written.
>>>>
>>>> I appreciate honest and thoughtful feedback. Good feedback can often
>>>> come from the most unexpected sources. Never, never think that a
>>>> person
>>>> has to have a degree in writing to be able to give good feedback. My
>>>> best
>>>> proof reader and person to discuss my work with is an auto mechanic and
>>>> welder with no degree in anything but life experiences. That would be
>>>> my
>>>> husband. He has insight and intuition and is one of the most well read
>>>> people I have ever known. He reads stacks of books and is comfortable
>>>> in
>>>> conversations with people of all walks of life.
>>>>
>>>> Writers thrive on challenges, as do all artistic creative people.
>>>> Rejection goes hand in hand with what we do. We very quickly learn that
>>>> when we start putting out work out to the public. It makes us work
>>>> harder
>>>> once we learn that it is for our good and for our growth. We cast our
>>>> work out to the public and we wait to see what comes back to us. What
>>>> comes
>>>> back is what we deal with. It can be an acceptance or a rejection. But
>>>> the
>>>> important thing is that we put it out there in the first place.
>>>> Lynda
>>>>
>>>> We all need feedback. It helps us grow. What we do not ever need
>>>> though
>>>> is to be bullied by someone who apparently gets some twisted sort of
>>>> pleasure from crushing another's work or spirit. That kind of thing
>>>> always
>>>> comes from a place of fear.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Lynda Lambert
>>>> 104 River Road
>>>> Ellwood City, PA 16117
>>>>
>>>> 724 758 4979
>>>>
>>>> My Blog:
>>>> http://www.**walkingbyinnervision.blogspot.**com<http://www.walkingbyinnervision.blogspot.com/>
>>>> My Website: http://lyndalambert.com
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "PAUL BAVER" <pebaver at verizon.net>
>>>> To: "Writer's Division Mailing List" <stylist at nfbnet.org>
>>>> Sent: Saturday, March 31, 2012 8:49 AM
>>>> Subject: Re: [stylist] Pet PVS- Correcting fellow writers
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Good morning Linda, this is the encouragement I expected from the day I
>>>>> joined, and I'm glad that I took the chance to voice my opinion.
>>>>> Writing is
>>>>> not only sharing my stories with others, for me it was a personal
>>>>> healing
>>>>> process, to Wright my tragic life story, it has now been three years
>>>>> that
>>>>> I've been working on it, and millions of tears later, it took forty
>>>>> plus
>>>>> years to get over myself. Now that I did get over myself, I'd like to
>>>>> see
>>>>> those people that are still full of themselves, get over it. I these
>>>>> days
>>>>> look for the Sunshine, hearing the beauty of the Birds singing and a
>>>>> day
>>>>> without drama, there's so much love, and beauty, to find, I have no
>>>>> time
>>>>> for anything but positivity in my life. I only learned to use this
>>>>> computer
>>>>> in (2005), and know I should be messaging now with an O-T message in
>>>>> my
>>>>> E-mail. I'll be doing that to the next E-mail that I send to you.
>>>>> Again
>>>>> thank you very much, for your genuine encouragement. Paul E Baver
>>>>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Lynda Lambert" <
>>>>> llambert at zoominternet.net>
>>>>> To: "Writer's Division Mailing List" <stylist at nfbnet.org>
>>>>> Sent: Saturday, March 31, 2012 7:36 AM
>>>>> Subject: Re: [stylist] Pet PVS- Correcting fellow writers
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> So nice to hear that in spite of your very sad experiences here, you
>>>>>> have kept on going with your writing. That is what it is all about.
>>>>>> Yes, we
>>>>>> have been given a good deal of material to write from in the wild
>>>>>> rants we
>>>>>> have been given here. In fact, we could develop a "character" full
>>>>>> blown by
>>>>>> using this material.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> And, Paul, when you have a manuscript that is ready for your
>>>>>> publisher
>>>>>> to go over, many eyes will be looking over it and editing it along
>>>>>> with
>>>>>> you. Your job is to do the writing, and the editors will be doing
>>>>>> their
>>>>>> job, as well as a number of others.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Paul, I am interested in knowing who some of your favorite authors
>>>>>> are. What kinds of things do you read that you enjoy? I think that
>>>>>> reading
>>>>>> the things we love is the best teacher we can have. And, I am a
>>>>>> college
>>>>>> professor, so I can tell you for sure that is what is most
>>>>>> important -
>>>>>> reading and absorbing ideas from other writers. In fact, it's
>>>>>> important to
>>>>>> read across disciplines if you can - include philosophers,
>>>>>> scientists,
>>>>>> artists, and any other books you come across that might be
>>>>>> interesting to
>>>>>> you.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I am a visual artist and author. Right now, I just finished reading a
>>>>>> book by Pearl S. Buck, who gives insight into China in the first 50
>>>>>> years
>>>>>> of the 20th century in her writing. It has enlightened me so much and
>>>>>> given
>>>>>> me a basis for understanding much more about the China we have today.
>>>>>> I
>>>>>> finished that and now I am reading another book written by a
>>>>>> scientist.
>>>>>> This book is on evolution and creation issues, from the scientific
>>>>>> perspective and historical developments that have brought us to where
>>>>>> we
>>>>>> are today.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Don't rule out anything. The most important thing to do at any age is
>>>>>> to read and to be a life-long learner. Our learning begins in a
>>>>>> classroom,
>>>>>> for some of us, but it only begins there. It is not an end in itself.
>>>>>> It is
>>>>>> just a baby step on the path of our lives. What takes place outside
>>>>>> of the
>>>>>> classroom, and long after we leave those classrooms is where our
>>>>>> stories
>>>>>> really take form. Our degrees (I have three of them) are a personal
>>>>>> achievement that we set for ourselves. It is for ourselves because we
>>>>>> chose
>>>>>> to follow a certain path. A college professor has to have a terminal
>>>>>> degree
>>>>>> as well as two others to even get a job interview.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> For writing, you certainly do not have to go to collee or have
>>>>>> degrees. Some of the finest writers we can name had no degrees. What
>>>>>> they
>>>>>> have though, is a keen insight into the human condition as they have
>>>>>> experienced it. Your life experiences are what is most important to
>>>>>> your
>>>>>> writing. What you THINK is far more important than knowing a list of
>>>>>> rules
>>>>>> for writing. It is your passion and your enthusiasm that will come
>>>>>> through.
>>>>>> The other things will be edited out or fixed by your editors. Just
>>>>>> keep
>>>>>> reading and writing.
>>>>>> So very NICE to meet you Paul.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Lynda
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Lynda Lambert
>>>>>> 104 River Road
>>>>>> Ellwood City, PA 16117
>>>>>>
>>>>>> 724 758 4979
>>>>>>
>>>>>> My Blog:
>>>>>> http://www.**walkingbyinnervision.blogspot.**com<http://www.walkingbyinnervision.blogspot.com/>
>>>>>> My Website: http://lyndalambert.com
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "PAUL BAVER" <pebaver at verizon.net>
>>>>>> To: "Writer's Division Mailing List" <stylist at nfbnet.org>
>>>>>> Sent: Friday, March 30, 2012 11:03 PM
>>>>>> Subject: Re: [stylist] Pet PVS- Correcting fellow writers
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Hi Linda thank you, I'm sure that out of the hundred or more members
>>>>>>> in this club, there are more then just the two of us, that truly
>>>>>>> like
>>>>>>> learning, and when a person gets chastised verbally it doesn't make
>>>>>>> for a
>>>>>>> joyful learning experience. The few that go into there ranting, and
>>>>>>> raving,
>>>>>>> I suppose that they must be experts in the Literary World. They must
>>>>>>> have a
>>>>>>> great deal of experience in writing, and must know more about
>>>>>>> Literature,
>>>>>>> then at my age I have time to learn. although in the two years as a
>>>>>>> member
>>>>>>> of this writing group, I haven't yet read any published works by
>>>>>>> those that
>>>>>>> go off on telling me how smart they think they are, and how there
>>>>>>> years of
>>>>>>> Literary expertise has given them the privilege, to give us a verbal
>>>>>>> lashing. I must state that, our club President, Mr. Newman, is very
>>>>>>> helpful, and does bend over backwards, to help, in any way he can.
>>>>>>> As for
>>>>>>> my writing accomplishments, no I haven't had anything published
>>>>>>> either, but
>>>>>>> now that I've grown up, I'm working on a book, about my life, a
>>>>>>> true
>>>>>>> story. I hope to get it published. I must say that I've learned from
>>>>>>> this
>>>>>>> group, and there some very learned writers, within our membership. I
>>>>>>> also
>>>>>>> do like to write Pomes, but fear, instead of constructive
>>>>>>> critiquing, I
>>>>>>> will be told again to return to school, and become educated , in the
>>>>>>> field
>>>>>>> of writing, and Literature . My book surely has come a long way, and
>>>>>>> yes
>>>>>>> Sir, it has grown to a point that I now am having it looked at by a
>>>>>>> publicist. I hope to hear from her soon. I'm crossing my fingers,
>>>>>>> and my
>>>>>>> toes . Ok Linda, maybe I'll work on that poem about the ranting, and
>>>>>>> raving
>>>>>>> . Sincerely Paul E Baver
>>>>>>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Lynda Lambert" <
>>>>>>> llambert at zoominternet.net>
>>>>>>> To: "Writer's Division Mailing List" <stylist at nfbnet.org>
>>>>>>> Sent: Friday, March 30, 2012 8:06 PM
>>>>>>> Subject: Re: [stylist] Pet PVS- Correcting fellow writers
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Paul, you could make this into a POEM!
>>>>>>>> It could be such a fun poem to do. You have lots of material to
>>>>>>>> draw
>>>>>>>> from.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Lynda Lambert
>>>>>>>> 104 River Road
>>>>>>>> Ellwood City, PA 16117
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> 724 758 4979
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> My Blog:
>>>>>>>> http://www.**walkingbyinnervision.blogspot.**com<http://www.walkingbyinnervision.blogspot.com/>
>>>>>>>> My Website: http://lyndalambert.com
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "PAUL BAVER"
>>>>>>>> <pebaver at verizon.net
>>>>>>>> >
>>>>>>>> To: "Writer's Division Mailing List" <stylist at nfbnet.org>
>>>>>>>> Sent: Friday, March 30, 2012 4:12 PM
>>>>>>>> Subject: Re: [stylist] Pet PVS- Correcting fellow writers
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Bravo Linda, I joined about two years ago, and am not, in no way
>>>>>>>> any
>>>>>>>>> expert in this writing process, I to, was lambasted by the rant,
>>>>>>>>> I'm not
>>>>>>>>> sure why the rant is so unhappy, or why the rant seams to be so
>>>>>>>>> full of
>>>>>>>>> bitterness, but the rant is. The rant is the reason why, I really
>>>>>>>>> don't
>>>>>>>>> comment or address, anything at all. Once the wrath of the rant
>>>>>>>>> comes down
>>>>>>>>> on you, I don't need a second round. I applaud you, and your very
>>>>>>>>> sincere
>>>>>>>>> thoughts. I'll brace myself, for my chastising by the rant now.
>>>>>>>>> Paul E Baver
>>>>>>>>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Lynda Lambert" <
>>>>>>>>> llambert at zoominternet.net>
>>>>>>>>> To: "Writer's Division Mailing List" <stylist at nfbnet.org>
>>>>>>>>> Sent: Friday, March 30, 2012 8:45 AM
>>>>>>>>> Subject: Re: [stylist] Pet PVS- Correcting fellow writers
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> I have to say just a couple of things here. I am very new to this
>>>>>>>>>> list. When I saw there was a Writer's Division I thought how nice
>>>>>>>>>> that
>>>>>>>>>> would be to be in touch with other writers. Since my sight loss
>>>>>>>>>> four years
>>>>>>>>>> ago, I have very little contact with other writers. I was
>>>>>>>>>> delighted to find
>>>>>>>>>> this list. I would suppose most of you are pleased to be here,
>>>>>>>>>> too.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> I am a member of another Division for the past 2 or 3 years and
>>>>>>>>>> it
>>>>>>>>>> is so enjoyable to be a part of it. The people on the list are so
>>>>>>>>>> much fun
>>>>>>>>>> to talk with every day. They have taught me how to do so many
>>>>>>>>>> things that I
>>>>>>>>>> needed help with because I still have so much to learn about
>>>>>>>>>> sight loss and
>>>>>>>>>> how to do many things. I am so grateful to them all for their
>>>>>>>>>> help. In
>>>>>>>>>> return, I try to help others as well, whenever I can. Recently, I
>>>>>>>>>> even
>>>>>>>>>> taught a couple of classes on that list, and I am scheduled to
>>>>>>>>>> teach
>>>>>>>>>> another one in May after I return from Puerto Rico.
>>>>>>>>>> Every person on that list is valuable, and the person who runs
>>>>>>>>>> that list is such an inspiration to everyone. That list has been
>>>>>>>>>> my
>>>>>>>>>> introduction to NFB, and it has been a God-send in my life. I
>>>>>>>>>> even got to
>>>>>>>>>> go to NFB headquarters a year ago, and met her in person. What a
>>>>>>>>>> treasure
>>>>>>>>>> she is!
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> With that positive experience in mind, I joined this Writers
>>>>>>>>>> Division. Here, I have met some people that are the same, smart,
>>>>>>>>>> talented,
>>>>>>>>>> helpful, kind, and encouraging. But then, to be honest, I have
>>>>>>>>>> found the
>>>>>>>>>> polar opposite here, as well. It sure has been an unpleasant
>>>>>>>>>> surprise.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> There is a word for it in literature. It is called the "rant."
>>>>>>>>>> When a person writes an opinion, or a comment, I have come to
>>>>>>>>>> realize the Rant will come out loud and clear.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> I read that there are over 100 people on this list. I also read
>>>>>>>>>> that only a small portion participate, maybe 15 or so? Don't you
>>>>>>>>>> wonder
>>>>>>>>>> why that is? Who needs or desires to participate in a group when
>>>>>>>>>> just an
>>>>>>>>>> innocent comment brings down thunder and lightening? Is this a
>>>>>>>>>> one person
>>>>>>>>>> operation here? Or, is it a community of writers who have respect
>>>>>>>>>> for one
>>>>>>>>>> another and appreciate the opportunity for exchange? The longer I
>>>>>>>>>> view this
>>>>>>>>>> list the more I see that a bully seems to be runing the show and
>>>>>>>>>> if she
>>>>>>>>>> does not like that person, they are ostracized, through her
>>>>>>>>>> rants.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> I see there are some really good qualities on this site. The
>>>>>>>>>> ones
>>>>>>>>>> who take the time to put up a "word" for the day, with
>>>>>>>>>> definitions is such
>>>>>>>>>> a good thing. Others have put up some really nice poems and
>>>>>>>>>> reflections.
>>>>>>>>>> Others offer challenges for writing inspiration. All great
>>>>>>>>>> things. Personal
>>>>>>>>>> stories have been so interesting and given a life to the person
>>>>>>>>>> whom we
>>>>>>>>>> know only by a name on the screen. I am thankful to have met so
>>>>>>>>>> many of you
>>>>>>>>>> here. Everyone is valuable, everyone had something to give,
>>>>>>>>>> everyone is
>>>>>>>>>> worthwhile in my opinion.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> I certainly have not been offended by the folks who have offered
>>>>>>>>>> comments on the few things I had put up. One comment really made
>>>>>>>>>> me go to
>>>>>>>>>> the books and figure out something I had not thought about.
>>>>>>>>>> Others have
>>>>>>>>>> given me insight into some other things that I appreciate.
>>>>>>>>>> Another member
>>>>>>>>>> gave one of my poems the best critique I could have imagined and
>>>>>>>>>> showed me
>>>>>>>>>> new insights into my own work. I hope to be as helpful to others
>>>>>>>>>> as I can
>>>>>>>>>> be and I have really enjoyed getting to know some of you off-list
>>>>>>>>>> so much.
>>>>>>>>>> What a great group of folks here. We need everyone - and wouldn't
>>>>>>>>>> it be
>>>>>>>>>> wonderful if more and more of those 100 plus on the list felt
>>>>>>>>>> like sharing
>>>>>>>>>> and communicating, too? I think so.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Thank you!
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Lynda Lambert
>>>>>>>>>> 104 River Road
>>>>>>>>>> Ellwood City, PA 16117
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> 724 758 4979
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> My Blog:
>>>>>>>>>> http://www.**walkingbyinnervision.blogspot.**com<http://www.walkingbyinnervision.blogspot.com/>
>>>>>>>>>> My Website: http://lyndalambert.com
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Eve Sanchez" <
>>>>>>>>>> 3rdeyeonly at gmail.com>
>>>>>>>>>> To: "Writer's Division Mailing List" <stylist at nfbnet.org>
>>>>>>>>>> Sent: Thursday, March 29, 2012 10:10 PM
>>>>>>>>>> Subject: Re: [stylist] Pet PVS- Correcting fellow writers
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Wow Bridgit, Where did I say anything about critiquing or
>>>>>>>>>>> feedback? You
>>>>>>>>>>> are reading things that were never written and by the way; this
>>>>>>>>>>> is the
>>>>>>>>>>> second time you have told me I should not be in this group.
>>>>>>>>>>> Thank
>>>>>>>>>>> you ever
>>>>>>>>>>> so much. Eve
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> On Thu, Mar 29, 2012 at 4:20 PM, Bridgit Pollpeter
>>>>>>>>>>> <bpollpeter at hotmail.com>wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Okay, prepare to brand me the B since that's what usually
>>>>>>>>>>>> happens, but
>>>>>>>>>>>> here we go. And no, I'm not intending for this to become a
>>>>>>>>>>>> never-ending
>>>>>>>>>>>> thread with no conclusion. I merely throw food out for thought
>>>>>>>>>>>> here.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Why belong to a community of writers where we share our work
>>>>>>>>>>>> from
>>>>>>>>>>>> time-to-time if we do not want feedback and constructive
>>>>>>>>>>>> criticism? The
>>>>>>>>>>>> greatest writers in the world have and do belong to some type
>>>>>>>>>>>> of
>>>>>>>>>>>> writing
>>>>>>>>>>>> community in which they not only share their work but provide
>>>>>>>>>>>> feedback
>>>>>>>>>>>> and constructive criticism.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> A loving, warm environment is necessary to this process because
>>>>>>>>>>>> no one
>>>>>>>>>>>> is superior to anyone. We all have individual styles, voices,
>>>>>>>>>>>> formats
>>>>>>>>>>>> and processes in which we write. We need to recognize the
>>>>>>>>>>>> difference
>>>>>>>>>>>> between preference and wrong in terms of content, style and
>>>>>>>>>>>> genre. Any
>>>>>>>>>>>> feedback should be done with sincerity and a general
>>>>>>>>>>>> appreciation for
>>>>>>>>>>>> assisting fellow writers.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Feedback is crucial however. You don't attack; you don't
>>>>>>>>>>>> condescend; you
>>>>>>>>>>>> don't take a derogatory tone, but you do provide feedback on
>>>>>>>>>>>> what you
>>>>>>>>>>>> enjoy and what you think can use work. When it comes to
>>>>>>>>>>>> established
>>>>>>>>>>>> rules and guidelines, you certainly point these out. Whether
>>>>>>>>>>>> they be
>>>>>>>>>>>> errors made in carelessness or made from lack of knowledge, it
>>>>>>>>>>>> does not
>>>>>>>>>>>> matter. Any writer should want a typo of any kind pointed out
>>>>>>>>>>>> so
>>>>>>>>>>>> it can
>>>>>>>>>>>> be fixed. Sure, many of us will eventually find those mistakes,
>>>>>>>>>>>> but why
>>>>>>>>>>>> not take the assistance when offered? One less thing you have
>>>>>>>>>>>> to
>>>>>>>>>>>> do.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Stephen King does not write a novel then turn it over an have
>>>>>>>>>>>> it
>>>>>>>>>>>> published. Before he submits it, he has a group of trusted
>>>>>>>>>>>> writing
>>>>>>>>>>>> friends and editor who pour through a manuscript with him,
>>>>>>>>>>>> pointing out
>>>>>>>>>>>> the weak spots along with any grammatical and structural
>>>>>>>>>>>> errors.
>>>>>>>>>>>> Most
>>>>>>>>>>>> people are aware that C. S. Lewis and J. R. R. Tolkien were
>>>>>>>>>>>> colleagues
>>>>>>>>>>>> who belonged to a group of writers who provided feedback for
>>>>>>>>>>>> one
>>>>>>>>>>>> another. This is why Lewis an Tolkien often seem similar
>>>>>>>>>>>> because
>>>>>>>>>>>> they
>>>>>>>>>>>> gave constructive feedback to each other, often incorporating
>>>>>>>>>>>> ideas
>>>>>>>>>>>> suggested by the other.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> There's nothing wrong with giving this feedback to each other,
>>>>>>>>>>>> and no
>>>>>>>>>>>> one is affecting a superior attitude to do so. If I say your
>>>>>>>>>>>> writing is
>>>>>>>>>>>> ridiculous and not worth my time, this is wrong and not the
>>>>>>>>>>>> type
>>>>>>>>>>>> of
>>>>>>>>>>>> feedback anyone should provide. If I say, however, I enjoyed
>>>>>>>>>>>> this
>>>>>>>>>>>> section, but I feel character A does not have enough depth, or
>>>>>>>>>>>> I
>>>>>>>>>>>> like
>>>>>>>>>>>> your use of dialogue, but be careful of where you place
>>>>>>>>>>>> punctuation with
>>>>>>>>>>>> quotation marks, this is constructive criticism and very
>>>>>>>>>>>> beneficial and
>>>>>>>>>>>> helpful to any writer. If I make comments such as these, it's
>>>>>>>>>>>> not
>>>>>>>>>>>> because I think I know everything, or that I'm of a superior
>>>>>>>>>>>> intellect
>>>>>>>>>>>> than you, or a better writer than you, it's simply because I
>>>>>>>>>>>> see
>>>>>>>>>>>> potential and want to assist you in bringing out all the best
>>>>>>>>>>>> aspects of
>>>>>>>>>>>> your writing.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> In return, I expect similar feedback. Especially in the
>>>>>>>>>>>> beginning stages
>>>>>>>>>>>> with first drafts, we all need feedback. If I want to do my
>>>>>>>>>>>> best
>>>>>>>>>>>> work, I
>>>>>>>>>>>> need a finger on the pulse of those reading it. Audience
>>>>>>>>>>>> feedback is the
>>>>>>>>>>>> only true way in which to learn what works and what doesn't in
>>>>>>>>>>>> our
>>>>>>>>>>>> writing. It's great when you say you enjoy my writing and it's
>>>>>>>>>>>> good, but
>>>>>>>>>>>> this doesn't tell me much, or help me when revising. In short,
>>>>>>>>>>>> it
>>>>>>>>>>>> doesn't help make me a better writer; I just fatten up on the
>>>>>>>>>>>> praise not
>>>>>>>>>>>> always aware of where I need to concentrate my revising and
>>>>>>>>>>>> editing
>>>>>>>>>>>> efforts. This type of process is not contrary to a warm, loving
>>>>>>>>>>>> an
>>>>>>>>>>>> generous atmosphere. As the saying goes, a true friend is
>>>>>>>>>>>> honest, and I
>>>>>>>>>>>> think a similar comment can be said for writers.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> To say a place like Stylist should only be an outlet in which
>>>>>>>>>>>> we
>>>>>>>>>>>> sit
>>>>>>>>>>>> back and just enjoy each others work is not giving an outlet
>>>>>>>>>>>> like
>>>>>>>>>>>> Stylist all the possibilities it can be. After material is
>>>>>>>>>>>> published,
>>>>>>>>>>>> then I want to sit back and enjoy it. Before, whether it be my
>>>>>>>>>>>> own work
>>>>>>>>>>>> or others, I want to get my hands dirty, ironing and polishing,
>>>>>>>>>>>> bringing
>>>>>>>>>>>> all the potential to the surface.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> My essay published in Breath and Shadow's winter issue is a
>>>>>>>>>>>> piece that
>>>>>>>>>>>> I've worked on for about four years. It has gone through rounds
>>>>>>>>>>>> of
>>>>>>>>>>>> revision including several workshops, and I had posted sections
>>>>>>>>>>>> of it on
>>>>>>>>>>>> Stylist to get feedback from those who cared to do so. What is
>>>>>>>>>>>> in B and
>>>>>>>>>>>> S (ha-ha, just realized the initials here, grin) is something
>>>>>>>>>>>> that not
>>>>>>>>>>>> only took time, as well as the result of my own creativity and
>>>>>>>>>>>> editing,
>>>>>>>>>>>> but of the feedback from others. And I will still probably
>>>>>>>>>>>> continue to
>>>>>>>>>>>> revise it over time.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> So I think it unfair to us as writers and to the intention of
>>>>>>>>>>>> Stylist to
>>>>>>>>>>>> say it's wrong or childish or the result of superior attitudes
>>>>>>>>>>>> to
>>>>>>>>>>>> provide feedback when we post work here. Again, if you don't
>>>>>>>>>>>> want
>>>>>>>>>>>> feedback from your peers, or can't handle it, a writing
>>>>>>>>>>>> community of any
>>>>>>>>>>>> kind is not the place for you. And editors, publishers and
>>>>>>>>>>>> authors
>>>>>>>>>>>> published numerous times are not the only "experts" who can
>>>>>>>>>>>> provide
>>>>>>>>>>>> constructive feedback. Our writing peers can have just as much
>>>>>>>>>>>> knowledge
>>>>>>>>>>>> and experience, and as I learned in university, ultimately it's
>>>>>>>>>>>> up to
>>>>>>>>>>>> your intended audience who often are not writers or have any
>>>>>>>>>>>> writing
>>>>>>>>>>>> experience/knowledge who determine the success of any writer.
>>>>>>>>>>>> So
>>>>>>>>>>>> why not
>>>>>>>>>>>> take the opportunity to receive feedback from your peers? In
>>>>>>>>>>>> fact, I
>>>>>>>>>>>> don't see those of us proving such feedback as being superior,
>>>>>>>>>>>> but the
>>>>>>>>>>>> opposite; if you don't want feedback, it could be interpreted
>>>>>>>>>>>> as
>>>>>>>>>>>> you
>>>>>>>>>>>> thinking yourself too superior to accept feedback from anyone
>>>>>>>>>>>> else. As
>>>>>>>>>>>> always, it's a matter of perspective.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Sincerely,
>>>>>>>>>>>> Bridgit Kuenning-Pollpeter
>>>>>>>>>>>> Read my blog at:
>>>>>>>>>>>> http://blogs.livewellnebraska.**com/author/bpollpeter/<http://blogs.livewellnebraska.com/author/bpollpeter/>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> "History is not what happened; history is what was written
>>>>>>>>>>>> down."
>>>>>>>>>>>> The Expected One- Kathleen McGowan
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
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>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> ______________________________**_________________
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>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> ______________________________**_________________
>>>>>>>>> Writers Division web site:
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>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> ______________________________**_________________
>>>>>>>> Writers Division web site:
>>>>>>>> http://www.nfb-writers-**division.net<http://www.nfb-writers-division.net/><
>>>>>>>> http://www.nfb-writers-**division.org/<http://www.nfb-writers-division.org/>
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>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> ______________________________**_________________
>>>>>>> Writers Division web site:
>>>>>>> http://www.nfb-writers-**division.net<http://www.nfb-writers-division.net/><
>>>>>>> http://www.nfb-writers-**division.org/<http://www.nfb-writers-division.org/>
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>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> ______________________________**_________________
>>>>>> Writers Division web site:
>>>>>> http://www.nfb-writers-**division.net<http://www.nfb-writers-division.net/><
>>>>>> http://www.nfb-writers-**division.org/<http://www.nfb-writers-division.org/>
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>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> ______________________________**_________________
>>>>> Writers Division web site:
>>>>> http://www.nfb-writers-**division.net<http://www.nfb-writers-division.net/><
>>>>> http://www.nfb-writers-**division.org/<http://www.nfb-writers-division.org/>
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>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> ______________________________**_________________
>>>> Writers Division web site:
>>>> http://www.nfb-writers-**division.net<http://www.nfb-writers-division.net/><
>>>> http://www.nfb-writers-**division.org/<http://www.nfb-writers-division.org/>
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>>>
>>>
>>> ______________________________**_________________
>>> Writers Division web site:
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>>
>>
>> ______________________________**_________________
>> Writers Division web site:
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